Just saw this on rotoworld

[j_y19]

And Robert Griffin is not a great QB TODAY.

#HailorDieMotherfuckers

Nor will he be tomorrow......or the next day.

 

[skinsdad62]

Keim: The coaches spend hours and hours in meetings with players and analyze, and over-analyze, game and practice tape. They know what players can do well - and what they can't do. They aren't perfect by any means, but they're paid to win and the better Griffin does, the more chance they have of job security. But there's this ridiculous notion floating around that Gruden is somehow sabotaging Griffin (not saying this is what you mean, but it is something I heard too often Friday). Griffin ran two bootlegs in the preseason opener (had been told in the past he was just average running this play; being mobile does not mean you do well all the time on the move) and they've used a lot of play-action. They did so twice Thursday, but the problem in that game was constant bad down-and-distance situations. I would do more zone read; if he even just gains five yards it can help (it's what Nick Foles used to do in Philly). What Griffin throws well are the quick passes and deep play-action (should be a bigger part of the game plan this year; would like to have seen more last season). The Redskins also likely will use more screens this year, too. Griffin had no chance on a number of throws the other night - even on quick passes. And on other ones he again failed to help himself, whether by not throwing to open targets or by moving into pressure.

here is what KIEM has to say about conspiracies

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You have to be an idiot to believe Gruden, or the other players, are trying to sabatoge Griffin.

 

[GeekSportsFan]

I don't see the point in sticking with RGIII. The guy is injury prone, for one, and two, he and the HC are certainly not on the same page. Is it out of the realm of possiblity for the Skins to work with Cousins and deal RGIII for some draft picks? I just don't see good things happening for the Skins as long as he is on the team.

 

[Ritzarmy]

You have to be an idiot to believe Gruden, or the other players, are trying to sabatoge Griffin.

Gruden doesn't need to sabatoge Griffen he has done it 3yrs on his own. Griffen is not the answer at qb for us. I feel this is a lost season not just because of QB. I say we play our best players and try to grow as a team. Then in draft we take our franchise qb.

 

[deanpet21]

No agenda skinsdad just stating facts.

 

[skinsdad62]

No agenda skinsdad just stating facts.

well you left off quite a bit of facts

 

[j_y19]

I don't see the point in sticking with RGIII. The guy is injury prone, for one, and two, he and the HC are certainly not on the same page. Is it out of the realm of possiblity for the Skins to work with Cousins and deal RGIII for some draft picks? I just don't see good things happening for the Skins as long as he is on the team.

Sure. What are the Chargers offering?

 

[Sharkinva]

Sure. What are the Chargers offering?

A half eaten fried Bologna sandwich and a free carwash with 8 gallon fill up coupon would be a steal for the Skins at this point.

 

[Sharkinva]

It has not been proven he can't be a RT, all that we know is that the coaching staff feels Moses is a better RT TODAY.

Actually all we know is that the coaching staff feels the O-line is better with Sherff at RG and Moses at RT than they felt about Scherff at RT and Long at RG. So maybe it was a situation where Long was actually not ready and we all know Moses wasnt going to play RG.

 

[Breed]

I don't agree that he needs to be an all pro this year or next to justify the pick, we need more time than that. But I tell you what, if Leanard Williams continues to dominate as he is already and Sherff turns into a pretty good guard those defending the pick are just being stubborn.

You're joking right? What has or is Leo dominating? He has 5 total tackles, 4 solo/1 asst, and no stats whatsoever from week 1. The same tackle #s as the Skins Houston Bates. Leo does have a safety to his credit and 1.5 sacks ranking him 15th in preseason rankings. Whereas Bates is tied for the NFL lead in sacks with 3.

As for Griffin. We all know that sometimes a QB has to stand strong in the pocket in the face of a strong and oncoming pass rush. As Cooley alluded to though, a lotta QBs, some who have little or no running scrambling skills, Rivers, Brady, Manning, Brees, Flacco. Hell, even youngsters, Teddy B, Tyron up in Buffalo, Landry Jones and others, made slight adjustments via sliding/shuffling one way or the other to avoid hard charging pass rushers. Whereas Griff just stands there seemingly oblivious to everything around him.

And Griffin is what now? 25 years old? He's probably been playing football since age 10 or 12 or more than half his life. Playing a game that's likely always been predicated on both his legs and his speed not intuition and presence of mind. There's already been multiple instances in the mere 13 pass attempts he's had this preseason. Where instead of throwing to an open man that looked to be clearly in his sight-line. He choose instead to try and run the ball. In other-words, this is just another case of the trying to fit a square block into a round peg. Its not gonna work.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You're joking right? What has or is Leo dominating? He has 5 total tackles, 4 solo/1 asst, and no stats whatsoever from week 1. The same tackle #s as the Skins Houston Bates. Leo does have a safety to his credit and 1.5 sacks ranking him 15th in preseason rankings. Whereas Bates is tied for the NFL lead in sacks with 3.

I don't know how much time he got in the first game. All I know is in Game 2 he had 1 1/2 sacks, a safety, 5 tackles (one for a loss) and 3 QB hits all in less than a half of play. That's a pretty dominating performance and should come as no surprise because he is an elite prospect. Leonard Williams opens his sack account with New York Jets - New York Jets Blog - ESPN It's way too early to declare anything, and I have to careful how I word this because I desperately want Scherff to be another Russ Grimm, but the early returns favor Williams over Scherff.

As for Griffin as I've said a number of times that last run/fumble was typical of him, just a total clusterfuck. But people are referring to the open receivers 5 yards away and completely forgetting it was 3rd and like 20, not 3rd and 2. Those open receivers really meant nothing. Still I'm not defending that play or his pocket presence, I've been very clear about that. I'm just asking that on some of the plays that he be given a chance to run the play as it was designed instead of expecting miracle escapes on every single pass attempt.

 

[Breed]

I don't know how much time he got in the first game. All I know is in Game 2 he had 1 1/2 sacks, a safety, 5 tackles (one for a loss) and 3 QB hits all in less than a half of play. That's a pretty dominating performance and should come as no surprise because he is an elite prospect. Leonard Williams opens his sack account with New York Jets - New York Jets Blog - ESPN It's way too early to declare anything, and I have to careful how I word this because I desperately want Scherff to be another Russ Grimm, but the early returns favor Williams over Scherff.

Yeah, I thought Leo had the skillsto be a difference maker at the NFL level and would've been cool with him being the pick of the Skins. Interesting thing, I came across a what if article that went back all the way to the days of Jim Brown in the late 50s concerning what if the Skins drafter player X instead of player Y. The Skins have made some bonehead moves far s the draft goes. The two players I remember the article saying the Skins could've had with no problem was Brown and Bob Lilly.

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As for Griffin as I've said a number of times that last run/fumble was typical of him, just a total clusterfuck. But people are referring to the open receivers 5 yards away and completely forgetting it was 3rd and like 20, not 3rd and 2. Those open receivers really meant nothing. Still I'm not defending that play or his pocket presence, I've been very clear about that. I'm just asking that on some of the plays that he be given a chance to run the play as it was designed instead of expecting miracle escapes on every single pass attempt.

Actually one play was a 3rd n 2 and he had Ryan Grant open, he instead choose to run and got 1st down. The other play was his fumble/concussion/shoulder stinger play and that was 3rd n 16. True enough none of the check down guys like p/u the first down. Likely neither does he by running either and I can't say for sure, but he may've had a deep guy breaking open who could've picked up the first.

The point is he's still looking to run even when he has players open in the passing game. That's his game, his go-to move so to speak. Somoeone posted they need to play Griffin like Sea plays Wilson. Griffin's not near as smart or instinctive a football player as Wilson is though.

 

[Breed]

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I don't see the point in sticking with RGIII. The guy is injury prone, for one, and two, he and the HC are certainly not on the same page. Is it out of the realm of possiblity for the Skins to work with Cousins and deal RGIII for some draft picks? I just don't see good things happening for the Skins as long as he is on the team.

Trading Griffin for a draft pick, never-mind some draft picks, certainly seems out of the realm of possibility. Not much of a market for has been completely exposed, oft-injured, scared, lack of presence QBs who can't STFU.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yeah, I thought Leo had the skillsto be a difference maker at the NFL level and would've been cool with him being the pick of the Skins. Interesting thing, I came across a what if article that went back all the way to the days of Jim Brown in the late 50s concerning what if the Skins drafter player X instead of player Y. The Skins have made some bonehead moves far s the draft goes. The two players I remember the article saying the Skins could've had with no problem was Brown and Bob Lilly.

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Actually one play was a 3rd n 2 and he had Ryan Grant open, he instead choose to run and got 1st down. The other play was his fumble/concussion/shoulder stinger play and that was 3rd n 16. True enough none of the check down guys like p/u the first down. Likely neither does he by running either and I can't say for sure, but he may've had a deep guy breaking open who could've picked up the first.

The point is he's still looking to run even when he has players open in the passing game. That's his game, his go-to move so to speak. Somoeone posted they need to play Griffin like Sea plays Wilson. Griffin's not near as smart or instinctive a football player as Wilson is though.

Going back after the fact and saying the Redskins could have taken Bob Lily or Tom Brady is not the same as saying before the draft that you prefer one guy to the other.

But I need to get off this Williams/Scherff thing. Waaay too early to make any conclusions and as i said I'm rooting for Scherff to be a stud big time.

As for Griffin are we really making a big deal about him running for a first down on 3rd and short in the first game? Really? Again no doubt he has had this problem in the past, and no doubt he needs to improve his pocket presence. Again my point all along is he had very little chance on Thursday night yet everyone want to string him up for that offensive performance.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Actually all we know is that the coaching staff feels the O-line is better with Sherff at RG and Moses at RT than they felt about Scherff at RT and Long at RG. So maybe it was a situation where Long was actually not ready and we all know Moses wasnt going to play RG.

So the reports of Scherff being destroyed by Kerrigan in early one on ones should be totally dismissed? Whether you are ready to admit it or not his first few weeks at RT were not good at all according to those who were watching. And a lot of folks were watching.

Oh yeah, I said I was going to stop doing this. OK starting now.

 

[Sharkinva]

So the reports of Scherff being destroyed by Kerrigan in early one on ones should be totally dismissed? Whether you are ready to admit it or not his first few weeks at RT were not good at all according to those who were watching. And a lot of folks were watching.

Oh yeah, I said I was going to stop doing this. OK starting now.

The reports of ANY rookie O-lineman being worked by the best pass rusher on the team should to a degree be expected. I dont hear any one giving Moses the shit because he was also being worked by Kerrigan. As i have said before, short of coming out and being ALL PRO in his rookie season, I dont think Scherff could do anything to live up to the pick in the eyes of some. Especially those that thought.. oh well fuck it we should be able to find a ten year starter at RT as an undrafted free agent. But Another pass rusher.. .whoa boy we can never have enough of those. Screw it, I wish we could have drafted Williams and put him as blitzing safety on every snap.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

The reports of ANY rookie O-lineman being worked by the best pass rusher on the team should to a degree be expected. I dont hear any one giving Moses the shit because he was also being worked by Kerrigan. As i have said before, short of coming out and being ALL PRO in his rookie season, I dont think Scherff could do anything to live up to the pick in the eyes of some. Especially those that thought.. oh well fuck it we should be able to find a ten year starter at RT as an undrafted free agent. But Another pass rusher.. .whoa boy we can never have enough of those. Screw it, I wish we could have drafted Williams and put him as blitzing safety on every snap.

I'm not going to continue to dog Brandon Scherff. The only thing I'll respond to here is your inane comment that we don't need another pass rusher, especially from the inside. That is just stupid, of course we need another pass rusher. That goes double when the best pass rushing DL on this team is:

A. 33
B. Coming off an injury
C. Was very very disappointing in his first year after signing a big deal

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm not going to continue to dog Brandon Scherff. The only thing I'll respond to here is your inane comment that we don't need another pass rusher, especially from the inside. That is just stupid, of course we need another pass rusher. That goes double when the best pass rushing DL on this team is:

A. 33
B. Coming off an injury
C. Was very very disappointing in his first year after signing a big deal

I will believe you and a few others will stop dogging the pick when I see pigs fly. And as for needing another pass rusher, going into the draft I think it was safe to say we actually needed O-line help a tad bit more. But honestly I would have gone with them taking Williams had they abandoned the RG3 experiment. But if we were dead set on sticking with Bob, then need #1,2 and 3 were O-line and more O-line actually.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I'm not going to continue to dog Brandon Scherff. The only thing I'll respond to here is your inane comment that we don't need another pass rusher, especially from the inside. That is just stupid, of course we need another pass rusher. That goes double when the best pass rushing DL on this team is:

A. 33
B. Coming off an injury
C. Was very very disappointing in his first year after signing a big deal

Yep - just completely ignore the other acquisitions that the Redskins made both on D-line and in the LB area. I think that there is a very good chance that this front 7 will be very, very good, and they can actually afford to lose Hatcher w/i the next few years & not really skip a beat.

Your approach is very Snyderesque. Simply focus on a some big names & basically ignore other areas of the team. You (and some other folks here) appear to have very little patience. You want everything fixed in one or two seasons - again very Snyderesque. HTTR