Just how dominant is the SEC?

[Diego Roll Tide]

In 2015, Alabama had one loss to #11 Mississippi . Ohio St. and Iowa also only had one loss to #8 Michigan St.

That MSU team was tough as nails.

That might have been the closest 38-0 game in history. MSU actually almost scored at one point.

Btw, the tOSU and Iowa teams did not win the B1G in 2015.

 

[Fitbud]

That MSU team was tough as nails.

That might have been the closest 38-0 game in history. MSU actually almost scored at one point.

Btw, the tOSU and Iowa teams did not win the B1G in 2015.

It doesn't matter if you won your conference or not because the Playoff has repeatedly taken teams that were not conference champions.

 

[Diego Roll Tide]

It doesn't matter if you won your conference or not because the Playoff has repeatedly taken teams that were not conference champions.

Of course it does. It also matters how many losses you have. The committee has NEVER taken a team that did not win its conference over a P5 conference champ that had as good or a better record. NEVER.

Yes, 16 tOSU and 17 Bama (both 11-1) were selected for the CFP, but in both cases the P5 champs not selected had at least 2 losses.

 

[cclxxxvdicere]

In 2015, Alabama had one loss to #11 Mississippi . Ohio St. and Iowa also only had one loss to #8 Michigan St.

Michigan St was the Big10 champion that year, why should either of those non conference champions be in over SEC champion Alabama?

 

[Fitbud]

Michigan St was the Big10 champion that year, why should either of those non conference champions be in over SEC champion Alabama?

Because their only loss was to a higher ranked team than Alabama's one loss to Ol Miss.

 

[cclxxxvdicere]

Because their only loss was to a higher ranked team than Alabama's one loss to Ol Miss.

So? Now best loss is a criteria? More important than conference championship? How things change.

 

[Fitbud]

So? Now best loss is a criteria? More important than conference championship? How things change.

When the playoff birth is between two teams with the same record, then who you lost to should be a factor. Do you think being conference champion would be a factor if it was the PAC 12 champ?

 

[cclxxxvdicere]

When the playoff birth is between two teams with the same record, then who you lost to should be a factor. Do you think being conference champion would be a factor if it was the PAC 12 champ?

If Alabama and Ohio State had had the same record that year, you might have had a point.

 

[Fitbud]

If Alabama and Ohio State had had the same record that year, you might have had a point.

That's why I said earlier that the SEC champion is guaranteed a spot in the playoff. That isn't the case with the other P5 teams.

 

[RaZon]

All SEC

QB....Peyton Manning Tenn/Colts
RB....Emmitt Smith Fla/Cowboys
RB....Bo Jackson Aub/Raiders
WR....Don Hutson Ala/Packers
WR.....Sterling Sharpe SoCar/Packers
TE....Jason Witten Tenn/Cowboys

What NCAA conference rivals that?

 

[Fitbud]

ALL PAC 12

QB Troy Aikman, John Elway, Aaron Rodgers
RB O.J. Simpson, Marcus Allen,
WR, Keyshawn Johnson
WR Ahmad Rashad
TE Tony Gonzalez,

 

[RaZon]

ALL PAC 12

QB Troy Aikman, John Elway, Aaron Rodgers
RB O.J. Simpson, Marcus Allen,
WR, Keyshawn Johnson
WR Ahmad Rashad
TE Tony Gonzalez,

Hall of famer James Lofton over Johnson. Steve Smith over Rashad.

 

[ellupo]

Yes, but since you seem to think that the SEC’s success is simply a function of how many tries they’ve had at the championship, I don’t see how the committee putting Ohio State in the playoff over Big 12 teams or even the champion of their own division and conference helps your argument very much. If any conference has been given the benefit of the doubt, it’s been the Big 10, not the SEC.

The SEC success is a function of Bama. Other teams have had to buy players like Newton to compete..

 

[Diego Roll Tide]

When the playoff birth is between two teams with the same record, then who you lost to should be a factor. Do you think being conference champion would be a factor if it was the PAC 12 champ?

Michigan State lost to unranked Nebraska, so they should’ve been WAY down the list.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

No, it’s a football discussion on a football board. It’s a nice diversion from the Biden worship, I mean, Politics Forum.

Biden worship? That sounds really sick and twisted, seeing as Biden is a China loving, plagiarizing, dementia riddled groper of little girls

 

[Gator91]

Alabama is legit but the rest of the conference is just like every other conference. If any of the other teams played in any other conference there would be no difference in record.

This sounds a little fishy. Yes, since 1998 when the “playoffs” began Alabama has won 6 National Championships. BUT, didn’t Tennessee beat Florida State? Didn’t LSU beat Oklahoma? Didn’t Florida beat Ohio State? Didn’t LSU beat Ohio State? Didn’t Florida beat Oklahoma? Didn’t Auburn beat Oregon? The SEC seems to be a tad more than just Alabama. Since 1998, SEC teams not-named Alabama have won 7 championships, the ACC has won 4, the Big 12 and the Big Ten have won 2 each, the PAC and the Big East have one each. See post below for more discussion.

 

[Gator91]

At the top end I think you are correct. It gets a little more murky once you get past the top end. Mid range and lower i do not the SEC is significantly better than most other conferences. That said, on the top end they are playing on a higher level. Lets look at conference Top ends:

SEC: Alabama maybe Georgia (although they seem to have not lived up to their recruiting) or LSU or Auburn. The latter two have occasional success.

ACC: Clemson. Not much else except maybe a slowly rising N. Carolina.

PAC 12: Oregon has pretty much been it.

BIG XII: Oklahoma has been it since Texas has been down for a decade.

B1G: tOSU with maybe Wisconsin pushing the bubble.

Ok, let's try something a little different.
How about if we start with the premise that all P5 conferences are “alike” in talent and depth? Then, for example, say the ACC and Big Ten conferences played each other with each member matched numerically with their counterpart in the other conference, then the EXPECTED outcome would be 14 ties. In today’s world all would go into overtime until a winner was determined. Thus, the outcome SHOULD be 7 wins and 7 losses for each conference. However, if two teams of unequal conference seating played then the expected outcome would be a win for the team with the lower numbered seating and a loss for the higher numbered seating. This creates an expectation for each conference member. To make comparisons “fairer” the smaller conferences can be scaled up to a hypothetical 14 team conference.

In 2019 the PAC 12 rankings were: #1 (1) Oregon, #2.182 (2) Utah, #3.364 (3) Washington, #4.545 (4) Southern California, #5.727 (5) Arizona St, #6.909 (6) California, #8.091 (7) Washington St, #9.273 (8) Oregon St, #10.455 (9) Colorado, #11.636 (10) UCLA, #12.818 (11) Stanford, and #14 (12) Arizona.

In 2019, the Big 12 rankings were: #1 (1) Oklahoma, #2.444 (2) Baylor, #3.889 (3) Texas, #5.333 (4) Kansas St, #6.778 (5) Oklahoma St, #8.222 (6) Iowa St, #9.667 (7) TCU, #11.111 (8)West Virginia, #12.556 (9) Texas Tech, and #14 (10) Kansas.

Now by looking at the actual outcome of each game we can see which teams exceeded expectation, which met expectations and which failed to meet expectations. In this manner, each conference member is responsible for upholding “its” part and only “its” part of the conferences schedule. Then we can see which conference(s) and teams aren't playing up to snuff. How about it?

 

[rmilia1]

The SEC has had multiple advantages in football namely recruiting areas and the ability to oversign with no regulation

When you're Bama and have the best recruiting area in the country, an awesome history, a great coach AND you basically get 1 free recruiting class every 4 years by oversigning it becomes really easy

 

[We Are Decent]

Doesn't look like it's stopping anytime soon.

 

[broncosmitty]

All SEC

QB....Peyton Manning Tenn/Colts
RB....Emmitt Smith Fla/Cowboys
RB....Bo Jackson Aub/Raiders
WR....Don Hutson Ala/Packers
WR.....Sterling Sharpe SoCar/Packers
TE....Jason Witten Tenn/Cowboys

What NCAA conference rivals that?

Most of them?

ALL MAC

Big Ben Miami/Stillers
Kareem Hunt. Toledo/Chiefs/Browns
Randy Moss. Marshall/Viks/Pats
Antonio Brown. CMU/Stillers/Bucs
Greg Jennings. WMU/Packers
Antonio Gates. EMU/KentState/SD


Wildcat QB Julien Edelman KSU/NE

Staying within tSECs run of dominance.