Just for the heck of it: Flacco question

[wartyOne]

I could entertain your arguement about the Lions, Saints & Giants but the Cowboys? Have you seen their OL lately? The Broncos? I'd EASILY take the Niners' OL & running game over their #1 WR.

I REALLY don't know what you see in the Patiots over the Niners.

Playoff team with Tebow.

Really? The Patriots have easily the best QB friendly system in the league. Cassel took that team to 11 wins. You would trade Kaep for Flacco, but not Davis for Gronkowski?

 

[NinerSickness]

Playoff team with Tebow.

We're talking just offense though.

Really? The Patriots have easily the best QB friendly system in the league. Cassel took that team to 11 wins. You would trade Kaep for Flacco, but not Davis for Gronkowski?

That was the 2008 Patriots before Moss was washed up. Davis & Gronk are a wash, for arguement's sake, but the Niners have a much better OL & running game.

And I didn't say I'd trade Kaep for Flacco; I said I'd take Flacco + a trade ransom over Kaep.

 

[dreday]

So sorry wartyOne, but didn't know we had forum police. But no hard feelings my guy.

 

[wartyOne]

We're talking just offense though.



That was the 2008 Patriots before Moss was washed up. Davis & Gronk are a wash, for arguement's sake, but the Niners have a much better OL & running game.

And I didn't say I'd trade Kaep for Flacco; I said I'd take Flacco + a trade ransom over Kaep.

I know what you were talking about. But I'm referring to it in cost/benefit terms. Effectively we're trading Kaep for Flacco, not that we're trading Kaep to Baltimore for Flacco.

As for NE, their Oline isn't nearly as bad as you're suggesting. Who knows how good their running game is or isn't? With Brady, they're always going to be a passing attack. Which brings me back to my point that they're in the discussion. And Davis/Gronk isn't a wash, in my opinion.

 

[wartyOne]

So sorry wartyOne, but didn't know we had forum police. But no hard feelings my guy.

I'm not being the forum police, just offering some friendly advice.

 

[Bemular]

I know what you were talking about. But I'm referring to it in cost/benefit terms. Effectively we're trading Kaep for Flacco, not that we're trading Kaep to Baltimore for Flacco.

As for NE, their Oline isn't nearly as bad as you're suggesting. Who knows how good their running game is or isn't? With Brady, they're always going to be a passing attack. Which brings me back to my point that they're in the discussion. And Davis/Gronk isn't a wash, in my opinion.

Who you got in that race W?

 

[wartyOne]

Who you got in that race W?

I'd take Gronk, easily. Though his recent injury history is starting to be a bit concerning.

As an offensive weapon, though, he's much better than Davis in my opinion.

 

[wartyOne]

We're talking just offense though.



That was the 2008 Patriots before Moss was washed up. Davis & Gronk are a wash, for arguement's sake, but the Niners have a much better OL & running game.

And I didn't say I'd trade Kaep for Flacco; I said I'd take Flacco + a trade ransom over Kaep.

With Flacco's impending salary, how are we going to sign all of these draft picks that Kaep's trade nets? What happens if none of those picks turn out to be as good as Kaep? What happens if Kaep goes on to shred the league (including us every time we play him) for the next decade? What happens if Flacco is only as good as Boldin/Torrey Smith?

I get that we have a known commodity, and trading that known commodity could yield a ton. It could also destroy us as a franchise for the next decade.

 

[Bemular]

I'd take Gronk, easily. Though his recent injury history is starting to be a bit concerning.

As an offensive weapon, though, he's much better than Davis in my opinion.

Both healthy (or perhaps not), I'm taking Gronk Mon-Sat and twice on Sunday.

VDavis, is somewhere between overrated & very overrated, IMO.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Falcons (you stated that one), Saints, Patriots, Cowboys, Broncos, Giants, Lions (Calvin Johnson), and maybe a few others. In no particular order.

The Lions are a horrible situation for a QB. Having Megatron is nice, but they have a shaky OL, no semblance of a consistent running game, and their coaches are asking their QB, who's thrives in an i-Formation set with play-action, to spread it out and throw it 35+ times a game without the benefit of play-action.

 

[mem49er]

Love that avatar. Did the NFL ever release any kind of statement as to why Cary Williams wasn't even penalized, not to mention ejected, or basically attacking an official?

Sorry, didn't see this until now. Thanks and no, I haven't heard any explanation. Though, TBH, I'm avoiding a lot of media these days.

On topic for the thread, I think many/most would say Kaep looks like a franchise QB. I don't think the same was true for Flacco after ten starts. You keep the Franchise. PERIOD.

 

[Bemular]

Did the NFL ever release any kind of statement as to why Cary Williams wasn't even penalized, not to mention ejected, or basically attacking an official?

Sorry, didn't see this until now. Thanks and no, I haven't heard any explanation. Though, TBH, I'm avoiding a lot of media these days.

On topic for the thread, I think many/most would say Kaep looks like a franchise QB. I don't think the same was true for Flacco after ten starts. You keep the Franchise. PERIOD.

Just to tag on to this about Williams - it was reported earlier today, perhaps yesterday, that Williams will not even be fined by the NFL.

If true, that is Really, REALLY stupid management by Goodell on this one. I wonder how they will circumvent the precedent they just established - say, "Oh, well it was the Super Bowl."

 

[mem49er]

Just to tag on to this about Williams - it was reported earlier today, perhaps yesterday, that Williams will not even be fined by the NFL.

If true, that is Really, REALLY stupid management by Goodell on this one. I wonder how they will circumvent the precedent they just established - say, "Oh, well it was the Super Bowl."

Note to self, wait until I have a really important meeting then deck my coworker.

 

[MHSL82]

Note to self, wait until I have a really important meeting then deck my coworker.

You mean, manager. So then the supervisor won't suspend you. (If manager is higher than supervisor, then switch.)

 

[mem49er]

You mean, manager. So then the supervisor won't suspend you. (If manager is higher than supervisor, then switch.)

I was gonna put that, but a manager could still fire you (while a ref can't). Co-worker seemed the closest. Maybe project manager...those with office jobs please chime in.

 

[Bemular]

Note to self, wait until I have a really important meeting then deck my coworker.

Confirmed

Cary Williams avoids fine for shoving ref in Super Bowl

Am I missing something here? How is the NFL going to justify ever fining a player for this conduct in the future?

 

[tallglassofwater007]

Both healthy (or perhaps not), I'm taking Gronk Mon-Sat and twice on Sunday.

VDavis, is somewhere between overrated & very overrated, IMO.

How can you say that? Davis is easily one of the best in the league.

 

[NinerSickness]

How can you say that? Davis is easily one of the best in the league.

He's THE best in the league.

 

[Robotech]

With Flacco's impending salary, how are we going to sign all of these draft picks that Kaep's trade nets? What happens if none of those picks turn out to be as good as Kaep? What happens if Kaep goes on to shred the league (including us every time we play him) for the next decade? What happens if Flacco is only as good as Boldin/Torrey Smith?

I get that we have a known commodity, and trading that known commodity could yield a ton. It could also destroy us as a franchise for the next decade.

Good point, how are you going to have the cap room to sign and keep all these star players?

 

[mem49er]

Confirmed

Cary Williams avoids fine for shoving ref in Super Bowl

Am I missing something here? How is the NFL going to justify ever fining a player for this conduct in the future?

They took "intent" into account. WTF?