Just for a change of subject

[Manster7588]

I just don't think anyone will give up a #1 for Dez due to his off field and on field troubles. Yes he is good and could be great. I just think he has that label of a deva wideout that could blow up at any moment. I remember when Mike Wallace was tendered by the steelers, he could have turned that down and would have if a team would have thought he was worth the first round pick they would have to give up to get him. No one bit, even though teams like the Ravins were in need of a good wideout at the time. I know Dez is a more complete receiver than Wallace, but Wallace is a guy who can stretch the field. I also think the Steelers have missed him a lot.

His off field issues are minor the exception being the incident with his moter. Now his on field route running and sideline tantrums would be what drives his trade value. If a team thinks they can fix his route running they will be willing to give up at least a 1st and maybe more.

Please don't take it that I'm dismissing the issue with his mother as minor because I don't believe you should ever strike a women, but I believe his hitting his mother was more about him going after his brother and moms got in the middle.

 

[bigdeal701]

all you have to do is look at our own team to know anything is possible.

2 first rounders for Roy Williams and he only has 1 1,000 yard season .... It's was based on potential.

2 1st rounders for Galloway who was always hurt. Again based on potential.

Several teams are seriously hurting for a star Wr right now.
Rams, Jags, Raiders. Skins Jets Titans Vikings and Bills

Look at the owner who gave up all those picks for below average WRs. Jerry is one of a kind, and I doubt anyone else is that stupid.

 

[bigdeal701]

His off field issues are minor the exception being the incident with his moter. Now his on field route running and sideline tantrums would be what drives his trade value. If a team thinks they can fix his route running they will be willing to give up at least a 1st and maybe more.

Please don't take it that I'm dismissing the issue with his mother as minor because I don't believe you should ever strike a women, but I believe his hitting his mother was more about him going after his brother and moms got in the middle.

I believe most of his issues have been overblown, but do all the other owners in the league? Since these issues have happened recently, what makes an owner believe Dez can change? Now if he went an entire season without a blowup or setback, then maybe I could see them believing that. I do agree if anyone is willing to give up two first round picks, you have to take it. Just don't see it happening.

 

[Manster7588]

all you have to do is look at our own team to know anything is possible.

2 first rounders for Roy Williams and he only has 1 1,000 yard season .... It's was based on potential.

2 1st rounders for Galloway who was always hurt. Again based on potential.

Several teams are seriously hurting for a star Wr right now.
Rams, Jags, Raiders. Skins Jets Titans Vikings and Bills

If a team is going to trade 2 1sts for Dez they'd have to think they are a WR away from the SB. The teams you mention are not. If all we can get is a 1stb I say try to keep Dez since this has become a passing game league.

 

[Manster7588]

I believe most of his issues have been overblown, but do all the other owners in the league? Since these issues have happened recently, what makes an owner believe Dez can change? Now if he went an entire season without a blowup or setback, then maybe I could see them believing that. I do agree if anyone is willing to give up two first round picks, you have to take it. Just don't see it happening.

What was his last off field issue. He doesn't seem to tear apart the locker room, and his sideline tantrums seem to be triggered by losing. The thing that will concern other GM's is his route running. If a coach tells his GM he can fix that a GM will pull the trigger. So far our coaches have not been able to fix the route problems.

 

[Ekspozed]

Like I said ....
To me Smith is the man you have to keep of the 3. To me he is without question the best of the 3.

I'm not one that thinks Rbs are easy to find. If they were our backups would average more than 2 yards a carry behind a line Murray is averaging well over 5 per carry behind

To me the greatest mistake this team could make would be to put us in further cap hell by trying to keep all three when we have a great young rookie receiver on the roster. That doesn't create media drama

Smith might just be the best on the team honestly.

Maybe someone like the Jets or Rams give a 1st and 2nd. Don't really see anything more than that.

 

[bigdeal701]

What was his last off field issue. He doesn't seem to tear apart the locker room, and his sideline tantrums seem to be triggered by losing. The thing that will concern other GM's is his route running. If a coach tells his GM he can fix that a GM will pull the trigger. So far our coaches have not been able to fix the route problems.

He's done ok off the field this season, but his rants on the sideline, and his walking off the field before the game was over did not look good. I like Dez, and love his passion, but he still has a lot of growing up to do. Why give up a first round pick for someone who has some growing up to do, when you can draft that at a cheaper price? Dez isn't going to sign anywhere for chump change.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

He's done ok off the field this season, but his rants on the sideline, and his walking off the field before the game was over did not look good. I like Dez, and love his passion, but he still has a lot of growing up to do. Why give up a first round pick for someone who has some growing up to do, when you can draft that at a cheaper price? Dez isn't going to sign anywhere for chump change.

Dez is tied for 2nd for TD, 15th in yards ... and he is still learning. I don't see him as some T.O. locker room cancer. I think he is worth trying to hold on to.

 

[snookdad]

I believe most of his issues have been overblown, but do all the other owners in the league? Since these issues have happened recently, what makes an owner believe Dez can change? Now if he went an entire season without a blowup or setback, then maybe I could see them believing that. I do agree if anyone is willing to give up two first round picks, you have to take it. Just don't see it happening.

I'm glad you pointed this out so It wouldn't seem like I was trying to pick a fight with Twisted. His understanding of the Salary cap is Eons ahead of mine. JJ was the only GM dumb enough to make those trades regarding Galloway and Williams for #1 picks. For the record I'm not suggesting its easy to find a starting rb, but it's much easier to replace a back than a wide out.

 

[bigdeal701]

Dez is tied for 2nd for TD, 15th in yards ... and he is still learning. I don't see him as some T.O. locker room cancer. I think he is worth trying to hold on to.

I don't see him as a cancer either, and believe he will be held on to. I just don't think another team will give up a #1 for him in a trade, but hey I've been wrong before.

 

[snookdad]

The asking price for Dez should be a ! at minimum. If no team pays that so be it.

 

[tw1st3d]

Dez is tied for 2nd for TD, 15th in yards ... and he is still learning. I don't see him as some T.O. locker room cancer. I think he is worth trying to hold on to.

Dez also needs 7 receptions for 148 yards this Sunday to even equal last years performance. That's not getting better


Another thing I look at is when was the last time this team has a 10TD running back? Oh wait I know Marian Barber under Parcells

Murray has more yards from scrimmage than Dez with 2 less TDs ..... and he missed games. AND he is only averaging 15 touches a game.

I'm sorry but Murray is more valuable to this team that Dez.... It's not his fault we wont use him until the coaches get bashed in the media for not

 

[Schmoopy1000]

sure the easy answer is to keep all three. But the question is if you could only keep two of the three.
At the start of the season, I would have said Murray is gone. (of the 3) As the season continued, I would have liked to see in a perfect world Dez in a blockbuster trade. A 1st & whatever else would be fine with me. Think if you had to lose one of these players better to get something for the one you are losing than nothing & just let one walk away.

I still say Dez hasnt earned the absurd contract he will demand. Still hasn't put a full season together. Still struggles with things you would think a 3rd year pro should get by now. What I see Dez strong point is redzone offense, which shouldn't be overlooked with how hard it is to score in the red zone nowadays (for the boys anyways) But he is far from a complete receiver like most on here claim. Yes we all have eyes on his potential & no doubt he has the potential. Just think some are using that potential to say how great he is. Which is incorrect at this time.

Now as far as which is easier to find. A #1 WR or a #1 RB. A #1 WR is harder to find no doubt. But there is another thing to consider. Many offenses & QBs can use a couple #2's in there offense & spread the ball around & do just fine. Hell an argument could be said (depending on the QB) that not having a #1 WR & having to spread the ball around actually makes certain offenses better (in passing) Now if you don't have a #1 RB, well you pretty much don't have a RB or a running game at all. So while I agree it is harder to find a #1 WR. I believe it is more important to have a #1 RB. (having both obviously is the best scenario)

So as of today. my thoughts are trade Dez if you aren't keeping all three. (subject to change)

Side note. Sean Lee isn't going anywhere. Not only does he produce. Not only did he just sign a new contract. Not only does his contract take into account of injuries & is actually cap friendly. he is a team leader on a team desperately needing team leaders. For all those wanting Lee gone. Sorry to break your heart. He isn't going anywhere for a very long time.

 

[UK Cowboy]

With the salary cap, and with 1st rounders making less than they used to, trading 2 #1's that you have on a rookie deal for a guy that will soon be making 8 figures is questionable, but if you're just talking on the field value, Dez is worth 2 mid to late 1st's for some teams. I don't know the cap figure for these teams, but if they could fit him in, I'd bet SF or NE would gladly trade this year and next years #1's(late 20's/30's) for a guy that could be the final piece. What about a team like Detroit, that just missed the playoffs? With the way the rules favor the passing game, a team with Stafford and Bush adds Dez to go across from Megatron? Use their 2nd, 3rd and 4th on D. I wouldn't want to play them

 

[tw1st3d]

sure the easy answer is to keep all three. But the question is if you could only keep two of the three..

Thanks for catching that

 

[R.J. MacReady]

Dez also needs 7 receptions for 148 yards this Sunday to even equal last years performance. That's not getting better


Another thing I look at is when was the last time this team has a 10TD running back? Oh wait I know Marian Barber under Parcells

Murray has more yards from scrimmage than Dez with 2 less TDs ..... and he missed games. AND he is only averaging 15 touches a game.

I'm sorry but Murray is more valuable to this team that Dez.... It's not his fault we wont use him until the coaches get bashed in the media for not

If Garrett is going to commit to the run next year (if he is here) then your right. Murray is the better value.
But I don't see that red headed bengal changing his stripes, it will be death from above ..and that leads you to Dez.

 

[snookdad]

Still still wouldn't say he offer better value. Twist your very smart dude you know that's not an apple to apples comparison. Murray rushing and receiving attempts combined out number Dez's so yeah I would think that his yards from scrimmage would be greater. This is a passing offense and there have been games when Dez had zero catches from minimal targets. I think the bottom line is you hate Dez and don't want him to be a Cowboy keep it real.

 

[tw1st3d]

If Garrett is going to commit to the run next year (if he is here) then your right. Murray is the better value.
But I don't see that red headed bengal changing his stripes, it will be death from above ..and that leads you to Dez.

With Jerry and his love of receivers you are likely right on which one we will keep.

We will overpay Dez rather than underpay Murray and take a huge step forward to fixing this team.

I seriously pray we sign Smith first though. That will give us an idea of what we are looking at cap wise for the future.

The biggest thing that gets me with Dez though is that he has already publically stated he thinks he is as good a Calvin Johnson. So I already know he thinks he deserves a 120 million dollar contract. AND NO THANK YOU to that type of contract for a .500 team that is in cap hell.

Not to mention I love what we have in your young guys with BeasLey and Williams. So if it were me ..... Dez is not the must keep. and other than Smith has the most trade value

 

[Manster7588]

Still still wouldn't say he offer better value. Twist your very smart dude you know that's not an apple to apples comparison. Murray rushing and receiving attempts combined out number Dez's so yeah I would think that his yards from scrimmage would be greater. This is a passing offense and there have been games when Dez had zero catches from minimal targets. I think the bottom line is you hate Dez and don't want him to be a Cowboy keep it real.

Twist, you gotta admit there's a lot of truth here.

 

[tw1st3d]

btw snookdad .... I would have never thought you were picking a fight. I know you aren't like that.
Certain posters only.

Sometimes I seem like I'm heated when I'm not..... Still have yet to learn to type "in a nice way" LOL