Jose Abreu is the best young hitter in the game

[mr.hockey4242]

Because 27 is still relatively young for a baseball player anyway and coupled with the fact that it is his first year.

Would it make you feel better if I just flat out said he is just as good of a hitter as Trout?

But he isn't. This is Trout's third season at age 23 and he is about to finish in the Top 2 of MVP voting for the 3rd straight season(with this year being a win).

Abreu is good, very good but he is already in his prime. Trout is still about 4 seasons from his prime. Which is quite literally fucking scary.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Because 27 is still relatively young for a baseball player anyway and coupled with the fact that it is his first year.

Would it make you feel better if I just flat out said he is just as good of a hitter as Trout?

27 is a baseball player's prime. It is not "relatively young". The average position player in MLB this year (and last year as well) has been 28.5 years old. I'm not sure if that's weighted for playing time or it's just a straight average, but I think it makes the point either way.

 

[pumpkinhead33793]

Abreu is not in his prime just because he is 27!!! It's his fucking rookie year in the league. That is such stupid reasoning. It would be the prime for someone who has been in the league for 3-4 years at age 27 yeah.

Abreu has had a better year offensively than Trout and it is his rookie year. The stats do not fucking lie. Trout will win the MVP because of his all around play - not just hitting.

But it is bullshit to say a rookie is in his prime. You all know that too.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Abreu is not in his prime just because he is 27!!! It's his fucking rookie year in the league. That is such stupid reasoning. It would be the prime for someone who has been in the league for 3-4 years at age 27 yeah.

Abreu has had a better year offensively than Trout and it is his rookie year. The stats do not fucking lie. Trout will win the MVP because of his all around play - not just hitting.

But it is bullshit to say a rookie is in his prime. You all know that too.

You may need to be institutionalized.

 

[pumpkinhead33793]

You may need to be institutionalized.

You know you won an argument when A) you presented statistics that back up your claim and B) the other person immediately resorts to insults.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Abreu is not in his prime just because he is 27!!! It's his fucking rookie year in the league. That is such stupid reasoning. It would be the prime for someone who has been in the league for 3-4 years at age 27 yeah.

Abreu has had a better year offensively than Trout and it is his rookie year. The stats do not fucking lie. Trout will win the MVP because of his all around play - not just hitting.

But it is bullshit to say a rookie is in his prime. You all know that too.

Are you going to make an actual argument for that? Or is it just a statement?

 

[broncosmitty]

Ichiro, a 27 year old rookie, was definitely in his prime. That prime lasted for a long time, but still....

 

[pumpkinhead33793]

You may need to be institutionalized.

Are you going to make an actual argument for that? Or is it just a statement?

There is no arguing that statement. You are basically saying that Abreu will never get better than his rookie year because he is 27.

 

[pumpkinhead33793]

Ichiro, a 27 year old rookie, was definitely in his prime. That prime lasted for a long time, but still....

The Japanese league is arguably on par with our league. The Dominican league is not on that level. Also Ichiro improved substantially from his rookie year.

 

[pumpkinhead33793]

You can't objectively look at Abreu's stats THIS YEAR and say they are not as good as Trout's. You just can't.

 

[da55bums]

Abreu is not in his prime just because he is 27!!! It's his fucking rookie year in the league. That is such stupid reasoning. It would be the prime for someone who has been in the league for 3-4 years at age 27 yeah.

Abreu has had a better year offensively than Trout and it is his rookie year. The stats do not fucking lie. Trout will win the MVP because of his all around play - not just hitting.

But it is bullshit to say a rookie is in his prime. You all know that too.

27 is the prime year for hitters in MLB and has been for decades. Its not because its there 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th year in the majors. Its based on the body being finally fully mature physically as well as mentally. 27 is the strongest time for most males in the world in whatever career they are in.

 

[DragonfromTO]

There is no arguing that statement. You are basically saying that Abreu will never get better than his rookie year because he is 27.

No, that is not what I am saying at all. I am saying that he is at the age where the average MLB player has his best seasons, therefore it's very likely that what we're seeing from him now is the best (or pretty close to it) that we'll see from him.

But if you want to interpret my viewpoint that way, can I do the exact same thing to you? "You are basically saying that Abreu will definitely get better than his rookie year because it's his rookie year". But just the same, that would be a) an incorrect assumption and b) probably not an accurate representation of what you were trying to say.

 

[StanMarsh51]

The Japanese league is arguably on par with our league. The Dominican league is not on that level. Also Ichiro improved substantially from his rookie year.

Considering:
-Hideki Irabu was considered to be Japan's 'Nolan Ryan'
-Komiyama was the Japanese 'Maddux'
-Matsui hit 50 HR in Japan
-Ichiro had multiple seasons of 20+ HR in Japan, and multiple .380+ seasons
-Kaz Matsui hit 30+ HR in Japan

If Japan ball is on par, why'd these big names over do not do nearly as well here in the states?

 

[broncosmitty]

The Japanese league is arguably on par with our league. The Dominican league is not on that level. Also Ichiro improved substantially from his rookie year.

Lol at "on par"

How is it that Ichiro improved substantially? He arrived on the scene in his prime. Then he stayed there for a decade. (Career high in doubles, stolen bases, second best OPS and Slugging, most runs, etc.)

Abreu could definitely have better seasons than 2014. He could get help in the order around him. Bumping his RBI and Runs. Not out of the question to assume his OBP will improve. Maybe even get a decent bump in homers. But substantial improvements are most likely not happening.

It'll be interesting to see how long he can sustain this level. Because he's definitely performing at a very high level, offensively.

 

[pumpkinhead33793]

27 is the prime year for hitters in MLB and has been for decades. Its not because its there 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th year in the majors. Its based on the body being finally fully mature physically as well as mentally. 27 is the strongest time for most males in the world in whatever career they are in.

Again, you have to factor in experience. In baseball, a players prime as far as their physical ability goes well past 27. You can't possibly tell me that someone that is in their first year at 27 will not approve based on experience at age 28, 29, 30 when they become more acclimated to pitchers.

 

[DragonfromTO]

The Japanese league is arguably on par with our league. The Dominican league is not on that level. Also Ichiro improved substantially from his rookie year.

No, it's not. Not even close. The majority of Japanese players that have come to MLB were elite players in Japan. Very very few of them have been stars here. Or we can look at the guys that have gone the other way and become stars. Tuffy Rhodes? Wladimier Balentien? Roberto Petagine? Do you really think these guys could have been MLB stars and MVP candidates if they'd just been given more of a shot?

 

[pumpkinhead33793]

No, that is not what I am saying at all. I am saying that he is at the age where the average MLB player has his best seasons, therefore it's very likely that what we're seeing from him now is the best (or pretty close to it) that we'll see from him.

But if you want to interpret my viewpoint that way, can I do the exact same thing to you? "You are basically saying that Abreu will definitely get better than his rookie year because it's his rookie year". But just the same, that would be a) an incorrect assumption and b) probably not an accurate representation of what you were trying to say.

It is what you are saying because if you are in your prime, you can't get better because that would then be your prime.

And you all keep comparing him to the average hitter which is not fair because the average hitter does not start in the big leagues at age 27.

 

[pumpkinhead33793]

No, it's not. Not even close. The majority of Japanese players that have come to MLB were elite players in Japan. Very very few of them have been stars here. Or we can look at the guys that have gone the other way and become stars. Tuffy Rhodes? Wladimier Balentien? Roberto Petagine? Do you really think these guys could have been MLB stars and MVP candidates if they'd just been given more of a shot?

It's better than the Dominican league.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Again, you have to factor in experience. In baseball, a players prime as far as their physical ability goes well past 27. You can't possibly tell me that someone that is in their first year at 27 will not approve based on experience at age 28, 29, 30 when they become more acclimated to pitchers.

But those pitchers on the other hand are certain to gain absolutely no advantage from becoming more acclimated with him.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

You know you won an argument when A) you presented statistics that back up your claim and B) the other person immediately resorts to insults.

No you didn't all you did was make asinine claims. You simply said that as a rookie he wasn't in his prime which is completely illogical. Why do you think you are the only one arguing your baseless claims?

Trout is also a 2 hitter driving in 107 runs that is crazy. Again, at 23. His PRIME is still 4 years away.

Abreu is in his prime right now anyway you try and twist it. He is an excellent hitter but he is not Mike Trout.

As I said..the STATS. Trout is the second player ever to be top 2 in MVP voting 3 times by the age of 23.