Jodan Staal traded to Hurricanes for 8th overall and Brandon Sutter

[grayghost668]

They lost in OT 16 times. Most of those were probably a shootout. You're using the shootout to backup your statements?

did they win or lose those games,,,,any way you want to color it they lost those 16 games,,,,an old saying if a frog had wings he wouldn't hit his ass everytime he jumped

 

[grayghost668]

Did you WATCH Sid when he played? Pretty damn good. I'm pretty good with these concussion things, and if his injury (C1-C2) was really that, he could be in very good shape. Sid literally started a movement in the sports medicine community into studying the positioning of C1-C2 and it's affect on concussive like symptoms following a whiplash mechanism. We'll see where it goes, but I feel much better when THAT is the issue. THAT can be fixed. Sorry, Sid is too good of a risk to take.

Sid is great WHEN HE PLAYS,,,he didn't play much last season

 

[Darkstone42]

Did you WATCH Sid when he played? Pretty damn good. I'm pretty good with these concussion things, and if his injury (C1-C2) was really that, he could be in very good shape. Sid literally started a movement in the sports medicine community into studying the positioning of C1-C2 and it's affect on concussive like symptoms following a whiplash mechanism. We'll see where it goes, but I feel much better when THAT is the issue. THAT can be fixed. Sorry, Sid is too good of a risk to take.

All of this. Sid's a great player. He's healthy right now. He's the number two at worst on this team.

did they win or lose those games,,,,any way you want to color it they lost those 16 games,,,,an old saying if a frog had wings he wouldn't hit his ass everytime he jumped

No matter how you spin it, had the Canes won five more games last year, they would have been in the playoffs. That's what matters.

 

[grayghost668]

All of this. Sid's a great player. He's healthy right now. He's the number two at worst on this team.



No matter how you spin it, had the Canes won five more games last year, they would have been in the playoffs. That's what matters.

so overtime games don't count for shit

 

[recon]

If they scored one more goal in a shootout FIVE out of SIXTEEN times, they would have made the playoffs.

 

[recon]

Crosby sat twice as much as he played last season how was he not getting a lot of playing time...

it seems everyone has more faith in Crosby than I do,I don't see him being the dominate player he was 3 seasons ago,Staal was going to pass him and move up to the 2nd spot,,,

hell it's done I can't change it all I can do is bitch about it

I'm done.

 

[pixburgher66]

You know you have a piss poor argument when Flyers fans are defending Sid.

 

[recon]

 

[Darkstone42]

You know you have a piss poor argument when Flyers fans are defending Sid.

 

[loki604]

There is no such thing as a sure thing in sports, especially with a salary cap. The "sure thing" has been bumped in the first round the last two years.

Not a knock on the Pens (Loki) but a point of perspective for GG.

No problem with that; it's legit.

The Staals will compete for Cups while in Carolina as well. They are only a couple of pieces away. The eighth seed won the Cup this year; you just gotta get in the dance.

 

[grayghost668]

You know you have a piss poor argument when Flyers fans are defending Sid.

did it ever occur to you that anything that makes the Pens weaker makes them stronger.....why wouldn't they defend Sid and this trade..???

 

[pixburgher66]

*taps out*


I'M DONE!

 

[Darkstone42]

did it ever occur to you that anything that makes the Pens weaker makes them stronger.....why wouldn't they defend Sid and this trade..???

Could you say that again in some coherent way?

 

[recon]

did it ever occur to you that anything that makes the Pens weaker makes them stronger.....why wouldn't they defend Sid and this trade..???

 

[Dacks]

This thread is just loony.

Even if Staal improves quite a bit, and Sid has concussion problems the rest of his career, NOT A SINGLE GM would, at this point, choose to keep Staal over Crosby.

Staal's a good player, but there are dozens of him in the NHL. He's replaceable. A healthy dominant Crosby... not so much. You take that gamble.

 

[Dacks]

Damn it... just realize I'll have to dump my "Release the Craalkin" three-headed-monster reference. Really liked it. I'm almost more upset about letting that go than Staal himself....

 

[Vadered]

This thread is just loony.

Even if Staal improves quite a bit, and Sid has concussion problems the rest of his career, NOT A SINGLE GM would, at this point, choose to keep Staal over Crosby.

Staal's a good player, but there are dozens of him in the NHL. He's replaceable. A healthy dominant Crosby... not so much. You take that gamble.

I wouldn't argue there are dozens of him in the NHL. Not too easy to find quality centers who can both anchor your PK and put up points when needed.

The thing about the trade is that Jordan Staal is a very, very good center, but he's not too valuable to the Penguins because they have two even better centers in front of him. I was shocked they offered him six million in cap hit, not because he isn't good enough to deserve it, but because he would never have gotten the minutes needed to justify that kind of a contract while in a Pittsburgh uniform. Maybe Pitt was thinking they'd go to just three centers and play an extra D?

Back to my point though. Because Staal is not so valuable to the Penguins as he is to other teams (like the Hurricanes), it makes more sense to get rid of him and acquire assets that are more useful, which is what the Pens did. They got a replacement third center, who is admittedly a downgrade but not as much as it could have been, and two good defensive prospects out of the deal. The Penguin defense was ABYSMAL in the first round of the playoffs - a few years from now that will not be the case. The Penguins will probably be worse off for this trade in 2013, and maybe 2014. If even one of those defensemen pans out though, they probably made out ahead. (Not that Carolina didn't do well either).

 

[Vadered]

On an unrelated note, who the fuck is Jodan Staal?

 

[pixburgher66]

I wouldn't argue there are dozens of him in the NHL. Not too easy to find quality centers who can both anchor your PK and put up points when needed.

The thing about the trade is that Jordan Staal is a very, very good center, but he's not too valuable to the Penguins because they have two even better centers in front of him. I was shocked they offered him six million in cap hit, not because he isn't good enough to deserve it, but because he would never have gotten the minutes needed to justify that kind of a contract while in a Pittsburgh uniform. Maybe Pitt was thinking they'd go to just three centers and play an extra D?

Back to my point though. Because Staal is not so valuable to the Penguins as he is to other teams (like the Hurricanes), it makes more sense to get rid of him and acquire assets that are more useful, which is what the Pens did. They got a replacement third center, who is admittedly a downgrade but not as much as it could have been, and two good defensive prospects out of the deal. The Penguin defense was ABYSMAL in the first round of the playoffs - a few years from now that will not be the case. The Penguins will probably be worse off for this trade in 2013, and maybe 2014. If even one of those defensemen pans out though, they probably made out ahead. (Not that Carolina didn't do well either).

That's really my mind set right now...it really is. Staal is a great player, and will continue to be, but we weren't even using him the right way. Sutter will be a perfect replacement. He won't be Staal, but he'll do everything we NEEDED Staal to do. He'll be on the PK, take faceoffs, chip in a few goals, cover other teams big names. That's the role of a third line C. It's...it's sort of like how an All-Star team can get beat by a well-balanced team. Sort of. Staal filled the role of 3C fine, but you can't pay your 3C $6mill. As much as myself and many Pens fans denied that fact until now, it's true. You give up depth elsewhere for that. If this results in: Martin trade, Suter sign, Parise sign. It's...well, complete win. But obviously that's a mere dream. DREAM. And I REALLY NEED WRITERS TO STOP GETTING MY HOPES UP RIGHT NOW. MUST. BE. REALISTIC.

 

[loki604]

I wouldn't argue there are dozens of him in the NHL. Not too easy to find quality centers who can both anchor your PK and put up points when needed.

The thing about the trade is that Jordan Staal is a very, very good center, but he's not too valuable to the Penguins because they have two even better centers in front of him. I was shocked they offered him six million in cap hit, not because he isn't good enough to deserve it, but because he would never have gotten the minutes needed to justify that kind of a contract while in a Pittsburgh uniform. Maybe Pitt was thinking they'd go to just three centers and play an extra D?

Back to my point though. Because Staal is not so valuable to the Penguins as he is to other teams (like the Hurricanes), it makes more sense to get rid of him and acquire assets that are more useful, which is what the Pens did. They got a replacement third center, who is admittedly a downgrade but not as much as it could have been, and two good defensive prospects out of the deal. The Penguin defense was ABYSMAL in the first round of the playoffs - a few years from now that will not be the case. The Penguins will probably be worse off for this trade in 2013, and maybe 2014. If even one of those defensemen pans out though, they probably made out ahead. (Not that Carolina didn't do well either).

Great post. Which pains to me say, you fucking Flyers' fan . I am sad to see Staalsy go and I wouldn't have minded him on a six cap hit honestly, but he does hold more value for other teams. I agree that there aren't many centers like him in the league. Sutter will do fine with the role, and it's a role that he's suited for, whereas Jordan had more in him than that. We can allocate that cap space somewhere else and have just as good/better team.

Staal got 20+ minutes here and was used just as much as Crosby and Malkin, but they weren't the best minutes he could possibly have. I think he'll get 70+ points in Carolina if he's on the PP. I won't do the revisionist history thing where I pretend he wasn't that great because he was traded. He was the great player Pens' fans make him out to be, and his ceiling is higher with a team like the Canes.

Also, I think our defense isn't as horrible as some people suggest. Yes, I think it will be better with some tinkering, but we were fifteenth in the league in goals against during the regular season. Sure, they were shit during the playoffs. But I think 82 games says more about them than 6. I definitely hope we shore it up some, but I'm not going to pretend the Pens have one of the worst D's in the NHL because of one playoff series. It's currently pretty middling, and, in my opinion, more likely to trend up than down next season.

Overall, I think this trade made us worse right now, but if Shero uses the cap space correctly, then the team itself will be better. Let's also not forget that regardless of what Shero does, this team will be better on opening night than it was last season because one of the best players in the world will be on the roster. And the Pens were first in Goals For without him for most of the season. I'm not trying to undermine the importance of defense and goaltending in the playoffs, but adding Crosby to the lineup in October already makes this team more formidable than the 2011 version.