Jets agree to trade Revis Island to Buccs for multiple picks...

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you just said eli manning is arguably the best qb the nfl....whatever credibilty you had just left...he isnt even the best qb in his own family

 

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QBs like Alex, Dalton, Ponder, Freeman, Romo, Schaub, etc. aren't going to win a SB IMO. At least young QBs like Tannehill, Stafford, Luck & Locker have a chance of being great one day (Luck will be in 2013 IMO).

But what about Bradford? Are you willing to admit he isn't very good? Or do you think this year is his coming out party?

 

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If we are judging QB's only on how they perform in pressure situations, we have to take a harder look at Favre who so often crumbled under pressure, as well as Peyton earlier in his career.

We should take a harder look at them. Favre was vastly overrated. Peyton had a chance to be the GOAT, but he consistently choked in the playoffs. He's still a HOFer (as is Favre) & he's one of the best to ever play, but one could argue that Eli has had a better start to his career than Peyton.

 

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so by your logic trent dilfer is an awesome qb

 

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you just said eli manning is arguably the best qb the nfl....whatever credibilty you had just left...he isnt even the best qb in his own family

I said ''arguably." Did you see the tear he went on in the 2011 playoffs? It seemed like every time there was a 3rd down he woudl thread the needle on a rope (mixing cliche metaphors) & pick it up. Look at what he's done in the playoffs VS Peyton's performaces. Eli has done better.

 

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I said ''arguably." Did you see the tear he went on in the 2011 playoffs? It seemed like every time there was a 3rd down he woudl thread the needle on a rope (mixing cliche metaphors) & pick it up. Look at what he's done in the playoffs VS Peyton's performaces. Eli has done better.

like i said by your logic doug williams is the greatest qb ever...also trent dilfer great..joe flacco also great.

 

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why take it to the extreme...its a move you make when the need is right..what you just said is you admitting you dont have a reasonable answer...if you think first rounders are such a slam dunk show me a draft where 50% of the players taken ended up in the pro bowl at least once.

I already gave a reasonable answer. I think his value was about the 35th pick of the draft or so when taking his huge contract into consideration. The Buccs essentially gave up the 11th or 12th.

 

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like i said by your logic doug williams is the greatest qb ever...also trent dilfer great..joe flacco also great.

You're now comparing Eli's postseason success to the likes of Doug Williams & Trent Dilfer? Seriously?

More like Ben Roethlisberger.

 

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huge contract???? its 0 guaranteed money and the bucs have loads of cap space

 

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You're now comparing Eli's postseason success to the likes of Doug Williams & Trent Dilfer? Seriously?

More like Ben Roethlisberger.

you just said that because he had a good postseason 2 years ago he's arguably the best qb in the nfl...you cant have it both ways

 

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huge contract???? its 0 guaranteed money and the bucs have loads of cap space

The only way the 0 guarenteed money comes into play is if the Buccs cut him. In that scenario it would be the 11th / 12th pick of the draft VS nothing. I think most people would take the former.

Just because they hedged the bet doesn't mean it's a good bet.

 

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eli 211 tds 144 ints...

has led the nfl in picks twice

has thrown 15 or more pics in a season 6 times in his 8 full seasons..

 

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The only way the 0 guarenteed money comes into play is if the Buccs cut him. In that scenario it would be the 11th / 12th pick of the draft VS nothing. I think most people would take the former.

Just because they hedged the bet doesn't mean it's a good bet.

kind of like drafting ryan leaf...or one of the other hundreds of first round busts

 

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eli 211 tds 144 ints...

has led the nfl in picks twice

has thrown 15 or more pics in a season 6 times in his 8 full seasons..

He's peaked higher than his brother the last 5 years, and he stays up there for longer durations. That's what you want in the playoffs.

The Giants are more than happy with Eli.

 

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Eli Manning NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

scroll down and take a look at players with similar careers....jake delhomme

 

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kind of like drafting ryan leaf...or one of the other hundreds of first round busts

Buddy, this is what you call a non-sequitur.

 

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Eli Manning NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

scroll down and take a look at players with similar careers....jake delhomme

If you really believe Eli Manning's career is comparable to Jake Delhomme's I don't even know where to begin with you.

 

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He's peaked higher than his brother the last 5 years, and he stays up there for longer durations. That's what you want in the playoffs.

The Giants are more than happy with Eli.

the only year eli was a better qb than peyton was the year he sat out with his neck injury..

 

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If you really believe Eli Manning's career is comparable to Jake Delhomme's I don't even know where to begin with you.

stan humphries

 

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Cutler is screwed from the get-go (along with anyone who would've played in Arizona) because his OL isn't just bad; it's one of teh worst OLs in many years.

Stafford was terrible last year, but I think he's a lot more talented than Freeman, so I'd hang onto Stafford.

Dalton? I wouldn't go with Dalton (or Ponder) if I were running an NFL team. They're mediocre too.

Rivers has next to no talent on offense any more, but he arguably the best QB in the NFL over a 5-year span. No, you don't cut a guy like that. Eli? Eli is arguably the best QB in the entire NFL. He had a rough run with some injuries on the team, but he's the reason the Giants are always going to be one of the scarriest teams (probably THE scarriest) to the Niners in their SB window.



Attempts don't matter? The QB rating takes how many attempts you take into consideration. That's why it's a far better measure of performance than total numbers. But I also look at what they do against the best teams & disregard the cream puffs. That's why I never believed in Alex Smith.

What little credibility you had in this thread when you said Arizonas OL had anything to do with Cutlers success.