Jackson

[gkekoa]

Guys ( And cali), Jackson is not the piece thats going to put us over the top. How ever, if the money is right and the team can manage him... it can not hurt to have him here. As i mentioned earlier even if we bring him in, we still likely look to grab some height at the position in the draft. If Jackson is signed i expect us to carry six wide outs. To me its all about the money and if we have the locker room to keep this guy in check. from a talent stand point, cant really fault the team for trying to bring him in.

I agree it's all about the money. We are a 3 win football team...does the locker room really matter? We need talent but I wouldn't give this guy anything in guarantees and sure as hell wouldn't pay him 9 mil/season. It's not his behavior in the locker room that even matters...we don't have to "manage him." He has to get rid of the shit he hangs out with.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Don't fault bringing him in to talk, but the character issues weigh heavy for me and don't overcome the upside or possible price. How he has represented what he thinks is his dollar value is a huge factor as well, he is more about the money right now.

Honestly, I think the most underrated thing in evaluating football players, is accurately determining what is on the inside of them in terms of heart, character and football IQ. People often get too carried away with stats and raw talent, IMO. A great player has to have the right attitude and heart in conjunction.

I don't see this in DJax.

 

[Tdog21Skins]

Jets have came out and said no. The only other team I have really heard any interest from is Oakland.

Actually I heard that Buffalo was also interested, but only if the price is right

 

[Sharkinva]

I agree it's all about the money. We are a 3 win football team...does the locker room really matter? We need talent but I wouldn't give this guy anything in guarantees and sure as hell wouldn't pay him 9 mil/season. It's not his behavior in the locker room that even matters...we don't have to "manage him." He has to get rid of the shit he hangs out with.

Gk... problem is, in todays NFL the off field shit is just as important to the team as the on field shit. UNlike in years past, where a guy got a slap on the wrist for stuff he did off the field simply because he was an NFL star. today society is holding them to a higher standard, and teams have to account for that. Look at Dez in Dallas. they realized how talented he can be on the field, and jumped through flaming hoops to keep him in line off the field. Now odds are Jackson will get some kind of guaranteed money in his deal where ever he goes. Its going to be a matter of how much, how the deal is structured and yes the culture he goes into.

 

[Sharkinva]

Don't fault bringing him in to talk, but the character issues weigh heavy for me and don't overcome the upside or possible price. How he has represented what he thinks is his dollar value is a huge factor as well, he is more about the money right now.

Honestly, I think the most underrated thing in evaluating football players, is accurately determining what is on the inside of them in terms of heart, character and football IQ. People often get too carried away with stats and raw talent, IMO. A great player has to have the right attitude and heart in conjunction.

I don't see this in DJax.

Cali... I think it comes down to this. You can fix, manage or control character flaws with the right system in place. But I dont thin k the NFL cares if you are Tim Tebow the ultimate choir boy, if you dont have the raw talent. This is why guys through out time in the league have had some of the most questionable off field activity but get multiple chances. Ray Lewis, Mike Vick, Hell the packers had a star TE get busted for boinking under aged girls at one point and he still played another season or two. While socially it might be wrong to value talent over character, it is the NFL way of things.

 

[gkekoa]

Gk... problem is, in todays NFL the off field shit is just as important to the team as the on field shit. UNlike in years past, where a guy got a slap on the wrist for stuff he did off the field simply because he was an NFL star. today society is holding them to a higher standard, and teams have to account for that. Look at Dez in Dallas. they realized how talented he can be on the field, and jumped through flaming hoops to keep him in line off the field. Now odds are Jackson will get some kind of guaranteed money in his deal where ever he goes. Its going to be a matter of how much, how the deal is structured and yes the culture he goes into.

I know the off field stuff matters and that's why I wouldn't give him anything in guarantees. He's worth 8 mil/season on talent...but when it comes to paying you, I have to know you are bringing honor to the franchise on and off the field. I'd guarantee his enire contract if we have an out...any blemish to the team and your contract is void.

 

[gkekoa]

Don't fault bringing him in to talk, but the character issues weigh heavy for me and don't overcome the upside or possible price. How he has represented what he thinks is his dollar value is a huge factor as well, he is more about the money right now.

Honestly, I think the most underrated thing in evaluating football players, is accurately determining what is on the inside of them in terms of heart, character and football IQ. People often get too carried away with stats and raw talent, IMO. A great player has to have the right attitude and heart in conjunction.

I don't see this in DJax.

You can have the heart of Reed Doughty but if that's all you have...all you have is a STs player and a backup. You have to have talent to win.

 

[Sharkinva]

I know the off field stuff matters and that's why I wouldn't give him anything in guarantees. He's worth 8 mil/season on talent...but when it comes to paying you, I have to know you are bringing honor to the franchise on and off the field. I'd guarantee his enire contract if we have an out...any blemish to the team and your contract is void.

Thats the thing, he actually didnt do anything to hurt the Eagles image. Sure he probably did know some gang members, and likely still does. But growing up where he did, odds are it was unavoidable unless he was simply a shut in. And simply put, he will get something guaranteed. If not from us, then from another team. So unless you are actually just saying I hope we dont sign him, the line of thinking I wouldnt give him any guaranteed money is just wishful thinking.

 

[TCB]

Desean Jackson is an incredible talent. If he wants to get back at the Eagles twice a year, he might reduce his guarantee money some.

And come on, I know a few of you closet "view" viewers saw this.

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[gkekoa]

Thats the thing, he actually didnt do anything to hurt the Eagles image. Sure he probably did know some gang members, and likely still does. But growing up where he did, odds are it was unavoidable unless he was simply a shut in. And simply put, he will get something guaranteed. If not from us, then from another team. So unless you are actually just saying I hope we dont sign him, the line of thinking I wouldnt give him any guaranteed money is just wishful thinking.

He absolutely hurt the Eagles image. Flashing gang signs, having gang murder affiliations, and being a suspected gang member does hurt the image.

The fact that locally in PHI he's also been banned from many nightclubs also hurts the organization because it's a local issue.

 

[Sharkinva]

He absolutely hurt the Eagles image. Flashing gang signs, having gang murder affiliations, and being a suspected gang member does hurt the image.

The fact that locally in PHI he's also been banned from many nightclubs also hurts the organization because it's a local issue.

really dude, I think the whole flashing gang signs thing has been over blown and was made an issue to give Kelly an out on getting rid of him. He has been in the league for five years and NOW this comes up as an issue?? It hurts the team image getting rid of him and taking the cap hit more so than actually correcting the behavior if it was such a problem. Whats next, will guys be seen as character concerns because they have full sleeve tats?? I mean thats a gang thing in certain parts of the world after all.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

You can have the heart of Reed Doughty but if that's all you have...all you have is a STs player and a backup. You have to have talent to win.

Never said you didn't need talent. Has to be there, I agree. What I said is that I think we UNDER RATE the importance of character in conjunction with talent, over rating stats, when a more balanced approach would be more sensible for the long term.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Cali... I think it comes down to this. You can fix, manage or control character flaws with the right system in place. But I dont thin k the NFL cares if you are Tim Tebow the ultimate choir boy, if you dont have the raw talent. This is why guys through out time in the league have had some of the most questionable off field activity but get multiple chances. Ray Lewis, Mike Vick, Hell the packers had a star TE get busted for boinking under aged girls at one point and he still played another season or two. While socially it might be wrong to value talent over character, it is the NFL way of things.

Agree with ya Shark, just don't want them on our team. For every bad character guy with talent, there are good character guys with talent as well.

 

[gkekoa]

really dude, I think the whole flashing gang signs thing has been over blown and was made an issue to give Kelly an out on getting rid of him. He has been in the league for five years and NOW this comes up as an issue?? It hurts the team image getting rid of him and taking the cap hit more so than actually correcting the behavior if it was such a problem. Whats next, will guys be seen as character concerns because they have full sleeve tats?? I mean thats a gang thing in certain parts of the world after all.

You're talking about a team image in the fan's eyes. As long as you perform and win, fans don't care.

A public image is something totally different, especially in your host city.

The team looks good getting rid of DJ from an organizational standpoint. It sets a presedence that they won't tolerate "me" kind of guys. If DJ can't grow up and sever ties with his past, then he's a loser. It's as simple as that. You can't blame the organization for a player not living up to the personal standards demanded.

 

[Sharkinva]

Agree with ya Shark, just don't want them on our team. For every bad character guy with talent, there are good character guys with talent as well.

I dont know about that Cali. I agree there are some high talent guys that are model citizens. But the nature of the game is guys who arent quite right in some aspect usually tend to be the highly talented stand outs. Darren sharper kinda points that out to a degree. Dude was borderline HOF worthy, but we are just now seeing what kind of deamons lurk inside him. Dexter Manley was a model citizen while in the NFL.. we all know what happened afterwards. I think the actual "Normal" super star athlete is actually the exception.

 

[Sharkinva]

You're talking about a team image in the fan's eyes. As long as you perform and win, fans don't care.

A public image is something totally different, especially in your host city.

The team looks good getting rid of DJ from an organizational standpoint. It sets a presedence that they won't tolerate "me" kind of guys. If DJ can't grow up and sever ties with his past, then he's a loser. It's as simple as that. You can't blame the organization for a player not living up to the personal standards demanded.

Dude... if any of this kind of talk had come up over the past five years, I would give it weight. But all the gang affiliation, bone headed talk didnt come up until Philly was suddenly thinking of parting ways with him. So im not putting much weight behind it actually.

 

[Mitziman]

Something here just doesn't fit, does it? The great attorney Johnnie Cochran once said "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit". While assumption of his alleged gang affiliation are still being examined, it "just doesn't fit" that someone with a history of good will (charity), and work with kids could be such a thug.

Maybe, he is. But, maybe he's not. Something is definitely missing here...to be continued.

 

[Sharkinva]

Something here just doesn't fit, does it? The great attorney Johnnie Cochran once said "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit". While assumption of his alleged gang affiliation are still being examined, it "just doesn't fit" that someone with a history of good will (charity), and work with kids could be such a thug.

Maybe, he is. But, maybe he's not. Something is definitely missing here...to be continued.

We live in a society where a public figure cant fart in a restaurant without it being breaking news on every channel that night at 11. If this kid really had these kinds of blatant character issues, I would think two years ago when they gave him his new deal, it would have been simpler to let him walk and get the comp pick for him. I tend to think this stemmed from him clashing with the new coach, and in this situation it was easier to get rid of the player since the coach just got there in NFL terms. Now I dont expect the Skins to sign him unless the money is right, and the front office feels he is NOT a character risk. So we should know within the next few days basically.

 

[gkekoa]

Something here just doesn't fit, does it? The great attorney Johnnie Cochran once said "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit". While assumption of his alleged gang affiliation are still being examined, it "just doesn't fit" that someone with a history of good will (charity), and work with kids could be such a thug.

Maybe, he is. But, maybe he's not. Something is definitely missing here...to be continued.

You can't pick most serial killers out by their obvious actions either.

It fits perfectly. He is associated with multiple murderers, flashes crip signs, and has a record label named in honor of Crips.

And nobody has commented on him being banned from multiple night clubs in PHI. What did he do to get banned while having that much money to spend?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I dont know about that Cali. I agree there are some high talent guys that are model citizens. But the nature of the game is guys who arent quite right in some aspect usually tend to be the highly talented stand outs. Darren sharper kinda points that out to a degree. Dude was borderline HOF worthy, but we are just now seeing what kind of deamons lurk inside him. Dexter Manley was a model citizen while in the NFL.. we all know what happened afterwards. I think the actual "Normal" super star athlete is actually the exception.

You make a very salient point. Stand outs in the academic, arts and other fields often have boundaries outside the norm. The tortured artist, the eccentric mathematician, the brutal dictator.

My overriding point is that I'd rather focus our sights on finding the high talent guys, that are the most likely to be classy individuals as well. Yes, I want to win, but some players I wouldn't touch, to achieve that goal.