It's Time To Hate The Lakers Again

[tc1]

With how great Ball and Ingram were…

Tell me how many games the Pelicans won that year?

Tell me how many LeBrons they had. Hell, tell me how many Kuzmas, and Hunters, and Zubacs, and Greens, and Rondos they had.

Are you really unable to process the concept of a deep team, filled with talented players two-deep at every position?

Again, you are making a lot bad assumptions. There was a lot of pressure on these guys playing with LeBron in LA. They got a fresh start on a bad team where is a lot easier to compile stats.

And there was a lot of pressure on the guys who did play with James in 2020 -- particularly on Davis, who has never exactly been known to handle that well.

Did not matter, because they were loaded with talent, and they'd have been far more loaded without trading for Davis.

While Ball improved his shooting that off season, he was still 56% from the free throw line. You really betting on that guy making big shots in the playoffs?

If he doesn't, there were a raft of other guys who could. You're assuming any other teams were sufficiently good to even keep games enough close to matter, and that's dubious.

The Lakers would have had an excellent collection of centers, the best collection of four forwards, and a bunch of extremely-capable guards. And, oh by the way, James.

And if Ball was so great, tell me why the Pelicans didn’t keep him for themselves? All they got back in the trade was 2 bench guys and a 2nd round pick. If he were anything close to as good as you claim the Pelicans would have resigned him.

This is really all you've got left? You are appealing to the New Orleans Pelicans as the arbiters of talent? If you knew shit from Shinola, you'd be aware that one of the reasons that New Orleans has their history is because they are not very good judges of talent, nor very good at assembling winning teams.

You might also be aware that Chicago, with Ball, was the best team in the League, until he got hurt.

Please consider at least a pause in embarrassing yourself.

Why don’t you poll the other Laker fans and ask them if they think the Lakers would have won in 2020

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that this is my first rodeo. It is not. I have had this discussion with thousands of Laker fans in the intervening years. Unfortunately, the average Laker fan is not even much more familiar with basketball than you are, so they are also unable to apply any useful critical thought on the matter.

In other words, the huge majority of Laker fans, when presently with this very question, respond similarly to a comment here above -- by mindlessly blathering about how Davis averaged 25.7 points, and completely failing to even consider the whole picture. Not one I've met has even ever considered what the Lakers' roster would have been without the trade, which is only the very beginning of such analysis.

You also seem to share in the prevalent idea on this forum that a question can be answered simply by counting the number of people who believe each answer. To put it mildly, this idea is fantastically stupid, as anyone with even the most mediocre education ought to be aware. For example, in New England, 400 years ago, it was common for a town full of people to convince themselves that a particular person was a witch. They would then murder that person. This did make the person a witch.

Another example is climate change. Depending on which year you poll the populace, you will find wildly different percentages who believe in it, or not. So the majority has been wrong on this, at some point ( they were either wrong years ago, or are wrong now ).

Had you any schooling at all, you might've heard of a man named Galileo. Look him up.

It is very possible, indeed common, for the majority of people to be wrong. There are so many other examples of such that we could probably fill the storage that this site is hosted on describing them all, but I will not do that. If you are curious, you can read almost literally anything -- hypothetically anyway.

 

[DJ Fieri]

He's not a giveaway player at this point. He's a good not great defender and has been hitting his threes decently of late.

Yep.

He plays defense, which they need.

 

[tc1]

He's not a garbage time player.

He's only moderately successful in garbage time.

His contract this year is $11M, $11.5M next season.

I know -- half of that remains for this year, plus next. Which equals approximately what?

 

[DJ Fieri]

Luka leaving next summer would be the most hilarious thing....

Sure but if Bron retired they would have a lot of cap space.

I don't think Luka leaves though.

 

[DJ Fieri]

lol.

Almost missed this nugget

Talking about how the Lakers “barely played Muscala”

Muscala averaged 15.6 minutes per game for the Lakers.

Know how much Zubac played for them that season?

15.6 minutes per game.

You want to take the best possible versions of these guys and project them to make the 2020 Lakers a championship team. Just isn’t the case.

How many career playoff games have Ingram and Ball won?

Expecting them to be key players in a championship team during their first playoff run is straight up delusional. They weren’t those guys.

It's stupid.

 

[tc1]

Talking about how the Lakers “barely played Muscala”

Muscala averaged 15.6 minutes per game for the Lakers.

For 17 games, then he left.

You want to take the best possible versions of these guys and project them to make the 2020 Lakers a championship team. Just isn’t the case.

With this much depth, the Lakers don't need the best versions of these guys. If they actually got that, they'd have barely lost.

How many career playoff games have Ingram and Ball won?

A whopping 3 fewer than Davis won in New Orleans.

 

[shopson67]

He's only moderately successful in garbage time.



I know -- half of that remains for this year, plus next. Which equals approximately what?

This year's money is spent. No need to include that. You have to match regardless, especially being over the first apron.

Gabe this year has become the player they thought they were getting when they signed him last season. Garbage time assessment is laughable.

 

[tc1]

Luka leaving next summer would be the most hilarious thing....

That would be like when Steve Nash infiltrated the Lakers as a double-agent for Phoenix, and ruined several of their promising seasons.

 

[tc1]

Gabe this year has become the player they thought they were getting when they signed him last season.

They signed him based on one series that he played for Miami, when he got hot and shot 52% from the arc for a few games. He has never before, or since, played anything like that, nor anything like a guy who should be paid $11m/year.

His minimal production is replaceable with a minimum wage player. Milton is better in every respect, and has played almost his whole career around minimum wage. Last year the Lakers signed Dinwiddie -- who is ten times the player -- for one-tenth of what they're paying Vincent. Vincent's production is far worse than Kendrick Nunn's was. Nunn is out of the league, which is where Vincent will be as soon as this terrible contract ends.

 

[Wamu]

That statement is completely different from claiming that I "know everything".

What I do not do, is comment on topics where I do not know the answer. For example, if the topic here was "Who were the 3 best passers on the '56 Hawks?" I would not comment, because I do not know the answer.

But when I do make a remark, I am sure that I am correct ( except with respect to speculating about what might happen in the future ).

This is really, really not hard material to understand, if one has a basic grounding in the English language.

But you do think you know it all, some of your posts prove it. Please keep on keepin' on since you're so sure whatever you say is always 100% correct.

"But when I do make a remark, I am sure that I am correct. <-----

Oh you mean like doubling down that the Lakers could have won it all in '20 without AD their 2nd best player?

You're completely wrong in saying that.

 

[Black Adam]

But you do think you know it all, some of your posts prove it. Please keep on keepin' on since you're so sure whatever you say is always 100% correct.

"But when I do make a remark, I am sure that I am correct. <-----

Oh you mean like doubling down that the Lakers could have won it all in '20 without AD their 2nd best player?

You're completely wrong in saying that.

I see the ping pong match is still happening...

 

[Wamu]

I see the ping pong match is still happening...

Just reminding the new guy that he's not always correct. I hope that info doesn't ruin his day.

 

[Black Adam]

Just reminding the new guy that he's not always correct. I hope that info doesn't ruin his day.

I mean what? Three days running with this particular back 'n' forth? I don't see any signs that anything sticks in the newbie's craw or anything...

 

[Wamu]

I mean what? Three days running with this particular back 'n' forth? I don't see any signs that anything sticks in the newbie's craw or anything...

It's really too bad buckyboy & kawhi-2-tatum are no longer around.

 

[Black Adam]

It's really too bad buckyboy & kawhi-2-tatum are no longer around.

Oh, those were two of my favorite punching bags around here...

 

[shopson67]

Milton is better in every respect

Thank you for confirming that you don't watch the games.

Milton has been so spotty that Bronny got put in the 1st quarter in the Sixers game.

 

[Wamu]

Thank you for confirming that you don't watch the games.

Milton has been so spotty that Bronny got put in the 1st quarter in the Sixers game.

Speaking of watching games for the first time in 5 or 6 seasons the Nuggets are finally back on comcast/xfinity. Greedy owner wanted to charge people 40+ a month for Altitude (station that carries Nuggets, Avs & Rapdis games) it was only $ 8 a month then Kroenke's Rams gotta new stadium. Ain't that odd timing how he tried to raise the price here in CO. like that? It's now $ 16 a month.

 

[tlance]

Tell me how many LeBrons they had. Hell, tell me how many Kuzmas, and Hunters, and Zubacs, and Greens, and Rondos they had.

Are you really unable to process the concept of a deep team, filled with talented players two-deep at every position?



And there was a lot of pressure on the guys who did play with James in 2020 -- particularly on Davis, who has never exactly been known to handle that well.

Did not matter, because they were loaded with talent, and they'd have been far more loaded without trading for Davis.



If he doesn't, there were a raft of other guys who could. You're assuming any other teams were sufficiently good to even keep games enough close to matter, and that's dubious.

The Lakers would have had an excellent collection of centers, the best collection of four forwards, and a bunch of extremely-capable guards. And, oh by the way, James.



This is really all you've got left? You are appealing to the New Orleans Pelicans as the arbiters of talent? If you knew shit from Shinola, you'd be aware that one of the reasons that New Orleans has their history is because they are not very good judges of talent, nor very good at assembling winning teams.

You might also be aware that Chicago, with Ball, was the best team in the League, until he got hurt.

Please consider at least a pause in embarrassing yourself.




You seem to be under the mistaken impression that this is my first rodeo. It is not. I have had this discussion with thousands of Laker fans in the intervening years. Unfortunately, the average Laker fan is not even much more familiar with basketball than you are, so they are also unable to apply any useful critical thought on the matter.

In other words, the huge majority of Laker fans, when presently with this very question, respond similarly to a comment here above -- by mindlessly blathering about how Davis averaged 25.7 points, and completely failing to even consider the whole picture. Not one I've met has even ever considered what the Lakers' roster would have been without the trade, which is only the very beginning of such analysis.

You also seem to share in the prevalent idea on this forum that a question can be answered simply by counting the number of people who believe each answer. To put it mildly, this idea is fantastically stupid, as anyone with even the most mediocre education ought to be aware. For example, in New England, 400 years ago, it was common for a town full of people to convince themselves that a particular person was a witch. They would then murder that person. This did make the person a witch.

Another example is climate change. Depending on which year you poll the populace, you will find wildly different percentages who believe in it, or not. So the majority has been wrong on this, at some point ( they were either wrong years ago, or are wrong now ).

Had you any schooling at all, you might've heard of a man named Galileo. Look him up.

It is very possible, indeed common, for the majority of people to be wrong. There are so many other examples of such that we could probably fill the storage that this site is hosted on describing them all, but I will not do that. If you are curious, you can read almost literally anything -- hypothetically anyway.

You are delusional dude.

Thanks for proving we don’t have to take your opinions seriously

 

[tc1]

But you do think you know it all, some of your posts prove it.

Find a post where I even hint at "knowing it all". You will not. You will find a post saying that when I do talk, it is because I know what I am talking about.

Please keep on keepin' on since you're so sure whatever you say is always 100% correct.

Thanks, I will. If you pay attention, you might learn somethin'.

Oh you mean like doubling down that the Lakers could have won it all in '20 without AD their 2nd best player?

Yes, exactly. Look at what their roster could have been. Find a better one anywhere in the league. You will not find one. Not really even close.