Is now the time to trade Metcalf?

[Sharkonabicycle]

Thinking Seattle can snag a 2nd with multiple teams seemingly interested. Just need 1 team to over pay to snag DK.

I hope so jersey... and someone like the Patriots or Raiders giving up a 2nd (basically a late first) would be great.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

He'll never be elite until he figures out route running... and if he hasn't by 27.5, he may never.

All elite receivers in NFL history have been elite or borderline elite route runners. And then of course some with hands, speed, acceleration, jumping, ball contesting, YAC, etc. have gone from there.

DK is average AT BEST at route running, I'd argue it's below average. It's probably his worst attribute and it's a CRITICAL one to be an elite WR.

IF you could give DK even GOOD route running, he'd be a top NFL WR.

The route running thing is my biggest problem with DK. And not because he doesn't seem to learn it but because despite him working so hard on his physical attributes, he seemingly is too lazy to actually become a good route runner. And along with that, will often run extremely lazy routes in the middle of games out of nowhere because of his childish attitude. It annoys the fuck out of me to see anybody, in any trade, half ass shit.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

The route running thing is my biggest problem with DK. And not because he doesn't seem to learn it but because despite him working so hard on his physical attributes, he seemingly is too lazy to actually become a good route runner. And along with that, will often run extremely lazy routes in the middle of games out of nowhere because of his childish attitude. It annoys the fuck out of me to see anybody, in any trade, half ass shit.

Yep... I think if he really put in the effort he could learn it, but I don't think he wants to.

He mailed it in the second half of the season, seemed extremely lazy, just a 'whatever' attitude, and then his attitude on field, whatever. And hey maybe it was the injury that caused the lack of production 2nd half.. but then that's another reason to say goodbye. It sucks sometimes seeing players like that go, but it's a business. Don't feel obligated to sign em.

What's sad about DK is if he had the work ethic (outside of the gym) he could be a top 5 WR in the league IMO... but he doesn't want to be. I think he's fishing for a huge paycheck at this point and will be a 800 yard to 1K receiver with a 'whatever' amount of TDs, that just disappears in games. Hence why I was fine trading him last year (which would've been correct) and do NOT want to pay him.

COULD he go somewhere else and just light it up? Sure. He's still got 3-4 more years of high quality play in him, but I doubt it. It's lower than 50% probability if I had to put a number on it. I think Seattle sensed that as well... just not the type of discipline and player Mac wants.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I hope so jersey... and someone like the Patriots or Raiders giving up a 2nd (basically a late first) would be great.

Chargers were in talks last season so maybe they get involved again. All I know is Seattle has to move him if they're not going to give him a contract.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Chargers were in talks last season so maybe they get involved again. All I know is Seattle has to move him if they're not going to give him a contract.

I could actually see Denver in the mix... Broncos did far better than expected last year, they have a major offensive coach, and they really have nothing outside of Sutton who is in his final year and going to be 30.

Commanders are another choice as well. Deebo is an UFA after this year and only costing $17M... DK is a longer term answer and with how Jayden can extend plays, prob. a bigger threat there than Seattle. A QB that can extend plays with their feet helps a player like DK with crap route running...

Chargers (to your point) also make sense. Harbaugh made it very clear he wanted to build the trenches, and passed on a LOT of good WRs for the best OT. It worked, but they still need a WR and there's NOTHING real great at where they're drafting.

Lastly, Chiefs MAY be in play... but that could 100% be a 1 year rental... you'd be getting a LATE 2nd AT BEST (they are not giving up a 1st and not extending) and it'd prob. be to hang one more Super Bowl run before having to rebuild. DK would know it's a 1 year rental, but you got a chance with Mahomes/Reid to put up a massive season and then cash in and mope around the next 5 years lol.

I don't see a team like the Raiders/Patriots, etc. trading for him (although that would be great, because their picks are early). DK just doesn't seem like a WR that 'helps' a QB. He quits on plays, runs sloppy routes, has attitude, turns into Cam Newton 2.0... I wouldn't want that with a team that isn't playoff bound. Jayden is young, but he already looks like a star. It wouldn't be about DK in Washington. It's the Jayden show.

 

[Screamin12th]

Bills, Panthers, Broncos, Steelers, Chargers, Greenbay, Cowboys, Taxens, Jags, Raiders and pats all need a WR like DK just to name a few.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I could actually see Denver in the mix... Broncos did far better than expected last year, they have a major offensive coach, and they really have nothing outside of Sutton who is in his final year and going to be 30.

Commanders are another choice as well. Deebo is an UFA after this year and only costing $17M... DK is a longer term answer and with how Jayden can extend plays, prob. a bigger threat there than Seattle. A QB that can extend plays with their feet helps a player like DK with crap route running...

Chargers (to your point) also make sense. Harbaugh made it very clear he wanted to build the trenches, and passed on a LOT of good WRs for the best OT. It worked, but they still need a WR and there's NOTHING real great at where they're drafting.

Lastly, Chiefs MAY be in play... but that could 100% be a 1 year rental... you'd be getting a LATE 2nd AT BEST (they are not giving up a 1st and not extending) and it'd prob. be to hang one more Super Bowl run before having to rebuild. DK would know it's a 1 year rental, but you got a chance with Mahomes/Reid to put up a massive season and then cash in and mope around the next 5 years lol.

I don't see a team like the Raiders/Patriots, etc. trading for him (although that would be great, because their picks are early). DK just doesn't seem like a WR that 'helps' a QB. He quits on plays, runs sloppy routes, has attitude, turns into Cam Newton 2.0... I wouldn't want that with a team that isn't playoff bound. Jayden is young, but he already looks like a star. It wouldn't be about DK in Washington. It's the Jayden show.

Denver is interesting and KC is possible since they really haven't had consistent play at WR since Ty Hill. My feeling is if DK gets moved it'll be before FA opens up.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Bills, Panthers, Broncos, Steelers, Chargers, Greenbay, Cowboys, Taxens, Jags, Raiders and pats all need a WR like DK just to name a few.

This right here is the hope to get multiple teams involved in talks and hope some FO over pays

 

[MrS]

Raiders have reached out about dk and are also reportedly looking for a starting vet QB as well. Maybe we trade dk and geno to them for a 2nd this year and their 1st next year

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Raiders have reached out about dk and are also reportedly looking for a starting vet QB as well. Maybe we trade dk and geno to them for a 2nd this year and their 1st next year

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I knew Geno was gone! Didn’t expect Pete to go after him, wondering what we’re gonna get? This is very good news and opens up cap space

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

It’s official, Geno is a Raider !

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

What's sad about DK is if he had the work ethic (outside of the gym) he could be a top 5 WR in the league IMO...

Honestly Shark, even if he put in the work, I have doubts he would ever be that elite. Maybe if his route running became great, I suppose. But he has never been able to overcome good corners and has always turned that into frustration and losing his cool. He just mentally has never had it. He gets shut down by a Surtain or Stingley or whoever (there are a lot of good ones in the league) and as the game goes on, instead of overcoming it or being willing to suck it up and keep those guys engaged so his team succeeds, he ends up doing something stupid blocking those guys. His PFs were down a bit but only because he didn't get caught as much, imo. He is also really sloppy with the ball trying for yac as we saw a few times last year. Far to many negative plays and not nearly enough great positive plays to be elite.

 

[Anointed One]

Honestly Shark, even if he put in the work, I have doubts he would ever be that elite. Maybe if his route running became great, I suppose. But he has never been able to overcome good corners and has always turned that into frustration and losing his cool. He just mentally has never had it. He gets shut down by a Surtain or Stingley or whoever (there are a lot of good ones in the league) and as the game goes on, instead of overcoming it or being willing to suck it up and keep those guys engaged so his team succeeds, he ends up doing something stupid blocking those guys. His PFs were down a bit but only because he didn't get caught as much, imo. He is also really sloppy with the ball trying for yac as we saw a few times last year. Far to many negative plays and not nearly enough great positive plays to be elite.

He's a hard working guy so he's already put in the work imo... It's just not going to translate into him being an elite receiver... Like you said, he's just not elite...

 

[Podunkparte]

IMO the difference between DK being pretty good and one of the best in the league has less to do with his route running and more to do with his hands. His insane attributes of being huge, strong, and fast would elevate him if he could high point a ball now and then, but we never saw that ability. You don't have to create that much distance (elite route running) when you can out muscle or out jump the defender, but DKs hands have always been a question mark. We never saw any OC give him those 50/50 shots routinely because he wasn't that guy. His size alone should have allowed him to excel there, yet it hasn't.

 

[JMR]

IMO the difference between DK being pretty good and one of the best in the league has less to do with his route running and more to do with his hands. His insane attributes of being huge, strong, and fast would elevate him if he could high point a ball now and then, but we never saw that ability. You don't have to create that much distance (elite route running) when you can out muscle or out jump the defender, but DKs hands have always been a question mark. We never saw any OC give him those 50/50 shots routinely because he wasn't that guy. His size alone should have allowed him to excel there, yet it hasn't.

Totally agree. The route running is sort of the low hanging fruit when critiquing his game, but to me it's more about his success on contested catches not being where it should be based on his physicality. A dude that big, strong, and fast should be dominating high over the middle and in the red zone, and I don't think he does that all that much better than most taller receivers.

 

[Screamin12th]

IMO the difference between DK being pretty good and one of the best in the league has less to do with his route running and more to do with his hands. His insane attributes of being huge, strong, and fast would elevate him if he could high point a ball now and then, but we never saw that ability. You don't have to create that much distance (elite route running) when you can out muscle or out jump the defender, but DKs hands have always been a question mark. We never saw any OC give him those 50/50 shots routinely because he wasn't that guy. His size alone should have allowed him to excel there, yet it hasn't.

Yep I brought up his contested catch rate and that he doesnt elevate. When DK does his best work the ball is on a rope to him most of the time. He doesnt like going up for catches and when he does he doesnt come down with the ball often. Lockett had a better contested catch rate than DK and Lockett is tiny. For as big as DK is he plays more like a smaller speed guy with low agility when the ball isnt in his hands. But once he has the ball in his hands he can be a beast, and i will miss that when he is gone. ( Not the fumbles or PF's though )

DK is so close to being great but he has been so close for so long now. He just has never taken the next step, I believe this is who he is and there isnt much more to come from him. Talented WR who is big strong and fast but has a lot of flaws and doesnt play to his size often.

 

[Screamin12th]

That Up there is almost a mirror of how i felt about Geno. Kid was talented He has all the tools and at time plays at a all pro level but his damn Head gets in his way all to often and its never IF it's going to happen it's WHEN. He can run for a first down but instead throws INT's ALL the time. Why? Because a TD pass looks better on the stat sheet than a 8 yard run for a first down. He takes sacks when he has time to throw the ball away .. why? Because a sack looks bad more so on the oline where a incomplete lowers his completion percentage. He has an exteremly talented arm yet his vision is always tunneled not allowing him to see the field. He moves around well and has a good release with zip but he takes WAY to many chances and holds onto the ball WAY to long when many of your routes are timing based.

Geno another highly talented player that just never took that last step and never will. Worst of all he lacks desire when playing and looks uninterested out on the field. Or he bitches because someone hit him to hard even if it was 100% legal. To get good Geno you plug him into a 100% timing based offense and take his head out of the game, also limit him to 30 or less attempts per game. Pete knows this and i believe he can get the Raiders to .500 with geno in 2025. Or close to it.