Is Luka for AD the most shocking trade of all time

[Batman]

You are still at it? You are new here and come in with this condescending tone throughout the thread and can't figure out why you are getting pushback? Has anyone agreed with your points? That's usually a sign that you are wrong.

LOL

This thread continues to be compelling.
I honestly can't wait to see how it turns out.

Will the Capos whack the upstart?
Or will they just break his legs?

And what will be the reason?
Will it be his non-existent filthy language?
His wealth of basketball knowledge?
His annoying habit of staying on topic?
His all-too-real refusal to enter the forum on his knees?

The hallmark of a great entertainment is the audience's inability to predict the ending.

Personally, I'm rooting for your reason... his condescending tone.
It would be epic irony if the clique that mourns the loss of funbags rejects his heir apparent for being condescending.

I'm hooked like a trout.
Thank you all.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Man as good as the Mavs D may be...who is guarding Luka lol? Who is guarding LBJ?

Not gonna lie....worried about that game on the 25th.

Irving and AD are a pretty much seamless fit together while Luka and Bron are similar to Luka and Irving when they first teamed up. They missed the playoffs the season Irving was traded to Dallas. I don't think the Lakers miss the playoffs, I think they'll actually finish top 4-5 now.....but not convinced the playoffs will be very successful. I think it will take a full training camp for them to really figure things out and get it rolling. Plus, I don't think we'll get a C at this trade deadline. Think that will happen this summer as well as get some other players to go with Bron and Doncic. And then next season the Lakers become a top 3 seed and really dangerous.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

He was 7th in MVP voting 3 years ago, and 12th two years ago -- and didn't play last year. Try again -- or maybe don't.




I asked how many teams lack an MVP caliber player. You listed half the league, almost exclusively the bottom half. That means you think about half the league does have an MVP caliber player.

So yeah, that is what you said.



What "bad faith" tactics? My tone has resulted from being personally attacked by people who were otherwise unable to formulate a response -- and anyone who received such, deserved what they got.



I don't care to go back and look who it was, but not one person remarked on the inappropriateness of such -- and a few people liked the comment, or riffed on it. I have a couple stalkers here, but I didn't say that everyone is. Congrats on clearing that bar, while it sits on the ground.

Anyone chiding me for my behavior -- and not the regulars here who have been trying to drum me out with insults -- is a complete hypocrite.

If y'all spent more time discussing basketball, and less time on the childish behavior, a newb wouldn't be able to walk in and embarrass most of you into resorting to those insults in the first place.

Let me simplify for you. You are a dick and nobody likes you here, you come off as a little bitch when you cry that people are being mean to you after you came here with your attitude. You cry like the little bitch that you are about name calling when you are guilty of just that. And you just don't know as much as you think you do as you continue to talk down to others in the most condescending tone I have ever seen in my 10 years here.

Again when an entire board of fans with basketball knowledge does not agree with most of what you are saying that probably means you are wrong. I don't think there is any doubt that you act like a little bitch. So either put your big boy pants on and try to fit in here or get the fuck out if you can't handle it.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Not gonna lie....worried about that game on the 25th.

Irving and AD are a pretty much seamless fit together while Luka and Bron are similar to Luka and Irving when they first teamed up. They missed the playoffs the season Irving was traded to Dallas. I don't think the Lakers miss the playoffs, I think they'll actually finish top 4-5 now.....but not convinced the playoffs will be very successful. I think it will take a full training camp for them to really figure things out and get it rolling. Plus, I don't think we'll get a C at this trade deadline. Think that will happen this summer as well as get some other players to go with Bron and Doncic. And then next season the Lakers become a top 3 seed and really dangerous.

Rob will get a big man by the deadline I feel fairly sure. I think they are gonna fit fine though. Last night's starting lineup but with Luka at the point. Wait...I keep forgetting, @tc1 keeps telling me Luka isn't a PG LMAO

 

[DJ Fieri]

Also concerned about Reaves if he isn't dealt.

Luka and Bron could work but Reaves makes 3 guys that kinda need the ball....

 

[dtgold88]

I didn't ask for any lasers, just some consistency.

Very recently, before his off-court issues, Morant was being discussed as a face-of-the-league candidate. Now you've got him not even in the MVP caliber discussion, despite including some, well, interesting choices.



Well, like I said, when you throw a big net, you're going to catch a lot of fish. If almost all of the top half of the league has an "MVP caliber player", most champs will too. This is not very instructive from a roster-construction standpoint -- a bit like saying "If you want to win the title, don't suck."



I continue to find it interesting that I don't resort to calling people childish names, don't resort to insulting people's mothers, and don't engage in the creepy stalker behavior of some here -- and I'm the one being called a dick, despite the fact all I have done is talk basketball, on a forum where that is allegedly the preferred topic.

If I've allegedly undermined my arguments, what the hell have these others been doing with their nonstop ad hominem attacks, even on my mother?

I suggest that you need to calibrate your dick meter a lot more accurately -- although not with a laser.

I mean, you think someone is a stalker for maybe a dozen or so comments to you (many of which you reply and continue discussion). Glass houses?

didn't see an attack on your mom, but agree that's crossing the line...because, as mentioned, my comments are always based on post and not poster. why you will also find me agreeing with you quite a bit in this thread.

 

[dtgold88]

I don't think that Dallas got fleeced per se. I think it was a terrible trade that they chose to make for purely financial reasons.

The Red Sox trading Mookie Betts was a terrible trade. They weren't fleeced because their primary concern was not paying Betts. And Mavs fans are feeling just as pissed about this deal as Red Sox were about letting Betts go.

This may be a good analogy but don't recall what RSox received. Did they get an MVP caliber player back in the deal (even if a little past prime)?

 

[dtgold88]

You are still at it? You are new here and come in with this condescending tone throughout the thread and can't figure out why you are getting pushback? Has anyone agreed with your points? That's usually a sign that you are wrong.

actually, yes, while I agree his style can be off putting and even when he has made completely ridiculous points he wont own the foolishness in this thread some have agreed with some of the points he has made.

He's over the top, yes, but if you can get yourself to base your comments off of his posts and not the poster he is you may agree, too. But maybe not.

 

[dtgold88]

He's still a potential 'MVP type' player. There's maybe 8-10 of those in the league at any given time. Luka is, AD is very very close, could be if he played like 2020 all season (a big if for sure)

A bit strawmanny here. Again, most fans know what is meant by 'MVP type' and most fans know why the 2004 Pistons are unique in that regard. You do too, playing dumb is a bad look.

Playing dumb is your lamest and weakest troll technique. You insult us all with your supercilious comments about how we're dumb for not agreeing with your every utterance. Not going to waste time on examples, we both know what I mean.

Don't come in hot like this then cry about others being mean to you. There are many ways to 'talk basketball' and if you choose this method you have to be man enough to get some grief for it.

Well said....as you have said his style can be fine and, sure, need some like this. But no need to be over-the-top and could even go nuts and listen to the other side in the discussion.

I know I have and on some things my mind has been changed.

 

[dtgold88]

Because Morant hasn't played at anywhere close to an MVP level in 4 years. Is he even the best player on the Grizz this year?



That isn't what I said. I should have known better than to actually answer your question because it was an obvious set up. If I listed out people like Edwards or Wemby as not being MVP level you would have pounced on that eventhough neither is currently close to an MVP level player. Same with Curry.




You are being called a dick for both your bad faith tactics and your tone.



Neither MSG or I made a single comment about your mother. Neither one of us is stalking you.

didn't see any mother comments but do agree IF there were it's out of line.

Think he believes I am stalking him as I replied to some of his completely off base comments in the CFB thread (might have been the most foolish I've ever seen in SportsHoopla). I guess also maybe had the nerve to disagree with something he said in this thread....he ignored I happen to agree with many of his comments, too.

 

[dtgold88]

You think an appropriate level of discourse is insulting strangers' mothers? Yes, I am absolutely condescending to people who behave in that manner, and who were apparently raised in caves.



Yes, some people do agree with me, first of all, and secondly, being disagreed with by people who have demonstrated, at-best, very limited knowledge on the topic, does not comport with your claim.

I understand that many people are disappointed to discover that they don't know as much as they assumed they did, and are lashing out with insults as a result, and I'm not surprised by that, since it is very common among this demographic, and I've seen it a million times before.

oh, the irony.

 

[flyerhawk]

This may be a good analogy but don't recall what RSox received. Did they get an MVP caliber player back in the deal (even if a little past prime)?

They didn't. They got prospects back plus some decent active players. So it's certainly not a 100% like for like.

But I doubt that the Red Sox fan base would have been any happier if they traded away 25 year old Mookie Betts for Freddie Freeman.

Part of being a fan of a team is being able to enjoy when a home grown player becomes a superstar. Swapping that superstar out for some other star isn't the same thing. That becomes doubly true when there is a 6 year age difference between those players.

 

[dtgold88]

He was 7th in MVP voting 3 years ago, and 12th two years ago -- and didn't play last year. Try again -- or maybe don't.




I asked how many teams lack an MVP caliber player. You listed half the league, almost exclusively the bottom half. That means you think about half the league does have an MVP caliber player.

So yeah, that is what you said.



What "bad faith" tactics? My tone has resulted from being personally attacked by people who were otherwise unable to formulate a response -- and anyone who received such, deserved what they got.



I don't care to go back and look who it was, but not one person remarked on the inappropriateness of such -- and a few people liked the comment, or riffed on it. I have a couple stalkers here, but I didn't say that everyone is. Congrats on clearing that bar, while it sits on the ground.

Anyone chiding me for my behavior -- and not the regulars here who have been trying to drum me out with insults -- is a complete hypocrite.

If y'all spent more time discussing basketball, and less time on the childish behavior, a newb wouldn't be able to walk in and embarrass most of you into resorting to those insults in the first place.

Having once been the newb a long time ago you are not out of line at all with those last comments. No doubt too many here base their comments on poster and not post. and, yes, some wont even consider an opinion that does not 100% back their own.

Problem is the latter in this thread (and the one for which you think you were stalked) describes you....which is fine. But don't throw stones in that glass house.

 

[flyerhawk]

didn't see any mother comments but do agree IF there were it's out of line.

Think he believes I am stalking him as I replied to some of his completely off base comments in the CFB thread (might have been the most foolish I've ever seen in SportsHoopla). I guess also maybe had the nerve to disagree with something he said in this thread....he ignored I happen to agree with many of his comments, too.

He(presumably) seems like he could add some value to the discussion but he gets caught up so much being a dick that it really makes it difficult to have adult conversations.

I disagree @msgkings322 that he is some spectrumy person. I think he's just a kid(late teen/early 20s) who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and doesn't understand how to engage with people as an adult.

 

[dtgold88]

They didn't. They got prospects back plus some decent active players. So it's certainly not a 100% like for like.

But I doubt that the Red Sox fan base would have been any happier if they traded away 25 year old Mookie Betts for Freddie Freeman.

Part of being a fan of a team is being able to enjoy when a home grown player becomes a superstar. Swapping that superstar out for some other star isn't the same thing. That becomes doubly true when there is a 6 year age difference between those players.

Fair points and don't get me wrong...I get a fan of the Mavs not liking this deal due to their attachment to Luka. But FOs cannot care what emotional fans think when making deals. Not to say this was a good one for them but it's better they don't care in general.

 

[dtgold88]

He(presumably) seems like he could add some value to the discussion but he gets caught up so much being a dick that it really makes it difficult to have adult conversations.

I disagree @msgkings322 that he is some spectrumy person. I think he's just a kid(late teen/early 20s) who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and doesn't understand how to engage with people as an adult.

That first comment of yours is completely true. as to second, I don't think he's a kid (just my guess) as does seem to know the sport better than a kid that age would. Just the typical internet troll not capable of seeing the other side at all in a topic. Ever.

 

[dtgold88]

Why don’t you ask around if any of the other regulars here were received like you when they started posting here?

If you have problems with everyone, chances are the problem is you.

I mean, he's not entirely wrong as there are too many here who base their comments on poster and not post. And, sure, some who can never see the other side in a discussion.

I do say this as while not a newbie still might be one of the newer posters here.....does seem like the newbies who have come since me are on tc's level (buckalice comes to mind, too) of not capable of an actual discussion of listening to what someone with a different viewpoint has to say.

 

[dtgold88]

I am not crying. I'm observing the hypocrisy of people calling me an "asshole" and a "dick" and other things when I am not engaging in the hurling of insults, or any other inappropriate behavior and am trying to discuss basketball.

Speaking of which, this will be my last comment on any of this nonsense about the poor and antisocial behavior of the inhabitants here. I'll talk basketball, and y'all can continue to post that garbage if you like, but I won't waste my time on it anymore. Knock your socks off kids.

I mean, to be fair, someone could be one who does not hurl insults but make asshole-ish or dickish posts. You are proof.

You are not even trying to have an actual discussion here....which is OK if that's your goal. Just know who you are and don't run from it. Or, better, be an adult and listen to the other side in a discussion.

 

[dtgold88]

I did. He looked good. They may look better in the short term once AD gets back. What I'm hoping for...it works out that we get a Dallas-LA playoff series this year. That shit would be entertaining as Hell

and while I don't by on the league fixing anything I don't doubt they'd like to see it....for sure networks would.

 

[msgkings322]

didn't see any mother comments but do agree IF there were it's out of line.

Think he believes I am stalking him as I replied to some of his completely off base comments in the CFB thread (might have been the most foolish I've ever seen in SportsHoopla). I guess also maybe had the nerve to disagree with something he said in this thread....he ignored I happen to agree with many of his comments, too.

Calling someone a stalker is one of the weakest tools in the troll bag. It’s a lame deflection when you run out of answers to someone literally just conversing with you on a message board, which is literally what we all do here.