Is Luka for AD the most shocking trade of all time

[Darrell Green Fan]

I know what you said -- and I said that a lot of those players are stars, which they are.



Again, there is no meaningful distinction between drafting a player, and trading players that you drafted for a player. The latter is precisely how they acquired Davis.



The Dodgers are outspending the enormous majority of the league, because there's no cap in baseball. That is not what the Lakers are doing. The Dodgers are outspending the bottom 5 teams combined, which is not even legal in basketball.



The Celtics acquired the Jaylen Brown pick in the lopsided Garnett trade. They also traded for the Tatum pick, which originally belonged to the Lakers. The Celtics acquired Holiday as a downstream effect of Lilliard forcing his way out of Portland.

More to the point, the Davis trade was lopsided because the Lakers overpaid, not because they received some discount. Again, it was the most expensive one season rental in sport history.

The Lakers are almost always forced to overpay in trades, because every GM knows that the Lakers always have more assets, and if they float a rumor about another bid, the Lakers always have more, and generally are not afraid to spend it.

How was Davis a one year rental when he was still in LA 4 years later and allowed them to obtain one of the top 5 players in the league in his prime? Davis wanted out. As did Kareem and so many other players who ended up stars for the Lakers. LA has a huge edge because it's Los Angeles and they have a winning history. That's why they are able to land stars in one sided deals which they have done throughout their history.

You are aguing that Kareem for Brian Winters, Elmore Smith, Junior Bridgeman & David Meyers was a result of the Lakers amazing ability to obtain those 5 players and they were of equal value to Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Walt Wesley. They weren't. Kareem wanted out of a small market and LA was a perfect fit, so the Bucks were forced to trade him for a far less value in return.

They have an advantage most teams do not.

 

[dtgold88]

What is it you say @dtgold88? Comedy gold?

This thread has it with this newb/alt.

what do I say about what?

 

[DJ Fieri]

what do I say about what?

Comedy gold is your tagline in the NBA thread, no?

 

[dtgold88]

He doesn't remind me of anyone but sure, he could be an alt. Hardly matters, we need some new blood here now that funbags has bailed again and BlackAdam and Mecca are gone.

I think this is the guy who thought even if OSU beat Oregon that Oregon deserved a share of the title in CFB thread?

 

[dtgold88]

Comedy gold is your tagline in the NBA thread, no?

no idea but what are you asking me to comment on?

 

[msgkings322]

I think this is the guy who thought even if OSU beat Oregon that Oregon deserved a share of the title in CFB thread?

I don’t visit there, but sounds like his kind of take lol

 

[dtgold88]

I can't think of a more shocking trade than this. Not even the slightest peep that either guy was getting moved much less for each other. This might even be the most shocking trade in sports, not just the NBA.

Will say a number of big deals happen that we never see coming, but in the sense was not even a rumor of either being moved maybe ever (in current locations)? Yeah...this could be it.

 

[shopson67]

There are good reasons why he was undrafted, and has only ever resembled an NBA player for a few weeks, while playing for Spoelstra, who has literally made a career out of utilizing undrafted guys who should not be in the NBA.

No one else even offered Vincent a contract.



I'm not up in anything over the pick -- I specifically said that it was worthwhile just to control his rights, so that his father did not acquire any crazy ideas. I don't even mind playing him on opening night, for sentiment. But the kid should be in the G League, working on his game, not getting humiliated playing in the NBA, and not costing the Lakers games, like he did in Philadelphia.

This isn't summer camp, or it isn't supposed to be, anyway. Father-son bonding can happen elsewhere. I'm sure they can both afford a couple fishing rods, or something.

That said, there are undrafted players who routinely make impacts in the NBA. Like, oh say, Austin Reaves. Is there another kid out of there like Reaves, or Caruso, who the Lakers could have drafted instead of James Jr? Probably. Did he wind up signing with some other team? Probably.
I mean, just look at Scottie Pippen Junior. He's been killing it for Memphis. With a little better personnel management, he could be playing the minutes that the Lakers are currently wasting on Vincent and James Jr.

For a supposed Lakers fan, you don't seem to watch the games. Gabe has been improving this year and quite effective of late.

The complaints about Bronny are ill-informed as well. South Bay has only played 12 games. It's not like it's every other night like the NBA. He's played very well of late, putting up some big numbers in G-League games. He's been active for the Lakers here and there because they haven't had 12 players available otherwise.

 

[dtgold88]

It's still absurd. Even with poor conditioning and bad knees his composite the last two season is 31/9/9. And he is 25. And its not like his game is going to deteriorate when he loses a step in a few year. His old man game will play another decade or more at this level, easily

Heard no matter what he does (even if he signs supermax in offseason had he stayed) he can be a FA after the 2025-26 season. I could see why Dallas would want to be ahead of this.

 

[shopson67]

No doubt.

Reaves could play SG next to Luka but he is a bit redundant when Luka handles the ball as much as he does. Reaves, Hachimura, Vandy, Vincent, Knecht and that other '31 1st rounder should all be on the table right now. I doubt they move DFS since he is one of the few who plays defense but I guess he could be traded also.

DFS can only be traded on his own, but I doubt that happens. More likely they extend him this summer.

 

[DJ Fieri]

no idea but what are you asking me to comment on?

Never mind.

 

[shopson67]

Heard no matter what he does (even if he signs supermax in offseason had he stayed) he can be a FA after the 2025-26 season. I could see why Dallas would want to be ahead of this.

How would he be a free agent if he signed the Supermax?

 

[dtgold88]

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does he also have an island on Lake Erie he wants to sell?

 

[dtgold88]

I don’t visit there, but sounds like his kind of take lol

I've seen a lot of crazy in SportsHoopla (as I'm sure you have) but this one may have been top 5.

 

[dtgold88]

How would he be a free agent if he signed the Supermax?

said he'd have an opt out. No idea if true, though.

 

[Think McFly Think]

I think this is the guy who thought even if OSU beat Oregon that Oregon deserved a share of the title in CFB thread?

Indeed.

 

[shopson67]

said he'd have an opt out. No idea if true, though.

Not sure what the purpose is to opt out of a supermax...

 

[dtgold88]

Not sure what the purpose is to opt out of a supermax...

no idea....but maybe didn't think he'd get one?

 

[dtgold88]

Indeed.

That one even for a forum like this was next level craziness.

Even doubled down on it after OSU beat them.

 

[dtgold88]

First of all, that's a different question. Does it make a difference if a team drafts a player, or drafts the players necessary to trade for that player? No, it does not.

Second, the Lakers drafted a ton of their stars:

Mikan
Mikkelson
Martin
Lovellette
Garmaker
Baylor (twice)
West
Goodrich
McMillian
LaRusso
Clark
Nixon
Cooper
Magic
Worthy
Green
Divac
van Exel
Jones
Fisher
Bynum


They also drafted some of the best players in other team's histories, like:
Sam Jones
KC Jones
Billy Knight
Brian Winters
Junior Bridgeman
James Edwards
Marc Gasol
Julius Randle

wow....you have a ways to go to top your Oregon deserves a partial title rant but of that bottom group whose histories are they all the best player? How about any of them?