POLL Is Eli worthy of the Hall of Fame

[williewilliejuan]

Deserving? NO. But he'll get in on his two SB wins

Tell that to Jim Plunkett.

 

[Ricky Roma]

Not disagreeing with that. But like it or not he has the passing numbers to get into the HOF.

Again....his passing numbers came mostly due to luck of the draw. At no point was he ever considered a top 5 QB, and for most of his career, he wasn't even a top 10 QB. That's isn't a HOF player....not even close really.

 

[Wamu]

That's true, which is why we should compare him to the QBs of his time, but he doesn't stand out as one of the very best under that test. Clearly, at least Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, and Big Ben are better than Eli, and an argument can be made for several other QBs.

So I don't repeat myself read comment # 20. A question. Is Rivers a HOFer? He has mor completions, yards & TD's. But I think he also has the record for most starts by a QB without getting to a SB.

 

[Wamu]

Again....his passing numbers came mostly due to luck of the draw. At no point was he ever considered a top 5 QB, and for most of his career, he wasn't even a top 10 QB. That's isn't a HOF player....not even close really.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think because of his numbers he get in at some point.

 

[The Q]

Top 10 in passing yards, top 10 in passing TD's two super bowl wins 2 superbowl MVP's. He's a lock to get in and absolutely deserving

yeah.

his resume is going to get him in regardless of what anyone feels.

 

[Ricky Roma]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think because of his numbers he get in at some point.

Well, he better get in quickly, because as the years go by, there will be more and more QB's who put up far better stats, and they'll all be pushing Eli further and further away from any HOF chance.

 

[Robotech]

Amazing how a guys last name, longevity and beating the evil empire twice gets him so much cred and will get him in. Without his last name and those wins over the Patriots, nobody would even think he was close to being a HOFer. He's like the other Giants QBs with rings except he managed to get two and lasted a lot longer. Although one could argue he should have retired when his brother did.

Quality wise, Eli might not be better than Phil Simms. He just played a lot longer. Simms' second ring was earned while injured, but he was the starter and the Giants arguably win with Simms.

 

[Robotech]

So I don't repeat myself read comment # 20. A question. Is Rivers a HOFer? He has mor completions, yards & TD's. But I think he also has the record for most starts by a QB without getting to a SB.

Dang, I forgot Brees. No, Rivers shouldn't be a HOF.

 

[Robotech]

That's true, which is why we should compare him to the QBs of his time, but he doesn't stand out as one of the very best under that test. Clearly, at least Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, and Big Ben are better than Eli, and an argument can be made for several other QBs.

Damn, I forgot Brees.

 

[Robotech]

Well, he better get in quickly, because as the years go by, there will be more and more QB's who put up far better stats, and they'll all be pushing Eli further and further away from any HOF chance.

I think Eli has a really great chance. He's not HOF worthy, but I'm pretty sure he'll get in.

 

[PDay8810]

Tell that to Jim Plunkett.

no comparison....Plunkett threw 34 more INT's than TD's and had a career cmp% of 52.5.

Manning had 122 more TD's than INT's and a career cmp% of 60.2.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Well I guess he's no Troy Aikmen or Terry Bradshaw who won three SB's. But he was more important to his team and a better QB and better passer than either. He has better career stats and a better single season, plus more SuperBowl wins than Kurt Warner, plus he started over him at one point. He's got a better HoF resume than Warren Moon, or Ken Stabler, and I'd say a pretty close resume to Brett Favre and John Elway.

He's not in the conversation for best ever, but still easy into the HoF.

You can't compare a player today to a player from decades ago when it comes to the HOF. The criteria was different in the past because the game was different.

Your closet example being Kurt Warner is fair, due to them playing at the same time. However, Kurt Warner was much better statistically in the regular season and light-years better statistically in the playoffs. Eli played longer, but Warner was a much better QB.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Eli's top 10 in completions (7), attemtps (6), yards (7) & TD's (7). Yes he's only 117-117. The definition of averages. But with his 2 S.B. mvp's he'll get into the HOF at some point.

And if the passing rules helped Eli (which they did) you have to say those same rules helped ever QB since the change.

They helped every qb playing today in a big way. It helped 23 active quarterbacks have a better career passer rating than eli.

NFL Passer Rating Active Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

In fact, he's only ahead of Henne, Fitzpatrick, Bortles, and McCown among qualified qbs.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

no comparison....Plunkett threw 34 more INT's than TD's and had a career cmp% of 52.5.

Manning had 122 more TD's than INT's and a career cmp% of 60.2.

Those are pretty equally comparisons considering when the two played. Elis td to interception ratio is horrible for a qb playing today.

 

[Robotech]

Well I guess he's no Troy Aikmen or Terry Bradshaw who won three SB's. But he was more important to his team and a better QB and better passer than either. He has better career stats and a better single season, plus more SuperBowl wins than Kurt Warner, plus he started over him at one point. He's got a better HoF resume than Warren Moon, or Ken Stabler, and I'd say a pretty close resume to Brett Favre and John Elway.

He's not in the conversation for best ever, but still easy into the HoF.

I think Troy Aikman is a borderline HOFer and it wouldn't be a travesty if he weren't in there.

Bradshaw was before my time, but I keep reading that he was very important to the Steelers' last 2 Super Bowls. His passing stats don't look good, but that probably had a lot to do with playing in the '70s. Adjust for era, and his stats are probably better than Eli's stats. Stabler also before my time, but the same could probably be said about his stats.

Eli is better than Warner in quantity of stats, but Warner has quality over Eli and reached levels of QB play that Eli didn't reach. Eli starting over Warner had to do with Eli being the number 1 draft pick. He surely did not play better than Warner that season, and Warner went on to play great for the Cardinals after his short stop in New York.

Elway and Moon have better stats than Eli if you adjust for the time period they played in. Elway made it to 5 Super Bowls. I think Favre is clearly better, but he did throw a lot of INTs, too.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Well I guess he's no Troy Aikmen or Terry Bradshaw who won three SB's. But he was more important to his team and a better QB and better passer than either. He has better career stats and a better single season, plus more SuperBowl wins than Kurt Warner, plus he started over him at one point. He's got a better HoF resume than Warren Moon, or Ken Stabler, and I'd say a pretty close resume to Brett Favre and John Elway.

He's not in the conversation for best ever, but still easy into the HoF.

The first super bowl the giants won with him they scored exactly the average amount of points that the Patriots gave up that season yet their defense held the Patriots to more than 20 fewer points than they averaged that season. You want to tell me the offense was their more impressive unit that day?

Also, comparing his stats to quarterbacks from decades ago is ridiculous.

 

[Robotech]

no comparison....Plunkett threw 34 more INT's than TD's and had a career cmp% of 52.5.

Manning had 122 more TD's than INT's and a career cmp% of 60.2.

I wouldn't be surprised if the adjusted numbers also show that Eli was better than Plunkett, but eras do matter.

 

[williewilliejuan]

no comparison....Plunkett threw 34 more INT's than TD's and had a career cmp% of 52.5.

Manning had 122 more TD's than INT's and a career cmp% of 60.2.

The point being that two Super Bowl rings alone won’t get you in.

 

[Robotech]

The first super bowl the giants won with him they scored exactly the average amount of points that the Patriots gave up that season yet their defense held the Patriots to more than 20 fewer points than they averaged that season. You want to tell me the offense was their more impressive unit that day?

Also, comparing his stats to quarterbacks from decades ago is ridiculous.

The Giants offense averaged 18 points per game in their SB wins over the Pats. Giants scored 17 points in the first one and 21 in the second game, but 2 of those points were from a safety. Sure seems like the Giants D was the standout unit.

 

[Robotech]

Those are pretty equally comparisons considering when the two played. Elis td to interception ratio is horrible for a qb playing today.

Eli was Jameis Winston before Jameis Winston.