Interesting Thoughts On AP

[UK Cowboy]

Some people never grow up.

So tell me champ, what rookie RBs have came straight in and set the league on fire since AP and Lynch were drafted?? This "great" OL can be reduced to a below average OL in the blink of an eye. All you need is a couple of unexpected injuries along the OL over the course of a long preseason and season lol. Some of you kids here have no clue, and only live in a world of fairytale draft picks and chocalate covered instant all pros.

Wow Dude, you should really find another hobby....since AP and Lynch in 07......too easy

Matt Forte
Ray Rice
Jamaal Charles
Alfred Morris
Chris Johnson
Lesean McCoy
Arian Foster
DeMarco Murray
Le'veon Bell
CJ Spiller
Eddie Lacy
Jonathan Stewart
Doug Martin
Andre Ellington

 

[jarntt]

Some people never grow up.

So tell me champ, what rookie RBs have came straight in and set the league on fire since AP and Lynch were drafted?? This "great" OL can be reduced to a below average OL in the blink of an eye. All you need is a couple of unexpected injuries along the OL over the course of a long preseason and season lol. Some of you kids here have no clue, and only live in a world of fairytale draft picks and chocalate covered instant all pros.

Yet you, yourself just said we'd be better off with Gurley. Hypocrite

 

[scotsman1948]

Oh well I'd rather live in a world of fairytale draft picks and chocalate covered instant all pros instead of bringing up an idea over and over again that would be a jerry splash move that almost certainly sets the franchise back 6 to 10 years.


Look numb-nuts we battled through jerrys mistakes for years. It seams Steven as finally ended these yearly roster mistakes and you can't let this one go.

exactly. and making the kind of move where we give up players and draft picks to get a 30-year-old RB (even if it is AP) could damage us for years. i'm beginning to wonder if some actually think these things through or just spend their time chasing pipe dreams. JJ seems to be finally learning that he does not know how to build a team and is letting others who do know make the decisions

 

[Greg]

Wow Dude, you should really find another hobby....since AP and Lynch in 07......too easy

Matt Forte
Ray Rice
Jamaal Charles
Alfred Morris
Chris Johnson
Lesean McCoy
Arian Foster
DeMarco Murray
Le'veon Bell
CJ Spiller
Eddie Lacy
Jonathan Stewart
Doug Martin
Andre Ellington

Lol, so you are now comparing those backs to AP and Lynch?? It took Murray how many years to have a good season, and only then after this team drafted three 1st round OLmen lol?? And his own team didn't want to re-sign him?? Wasn't McCoy just traded also?? What did Bell do his rookie season? Wasn't he just suspended as well? Ray Rice??...the man with no team. Lmfao, the others here aren't even worth commenting on...

How many draft busts and wasted draft picks at RB failed to make your "setting the league on fire" list lol. It had gotten so bad, that no RBs were even drafted in the first two rounds over the last two years lol. You have no friggin clue about football. I didn't ask you for a list of one year wonders or serviceable RBs, I believe it was a list of consistent top performers and/or dominating RBs??

 

[Greg]

exactly. and making the kind of move where we give up players and draft picks to get a 30-year-old RB (even if it is AP) could damage us for years. i'm beginning to wonder if some actually think these things through or just spend their time chasing pipe dreams. JJ seems to be finally learning that he does not know how to build a team and is letting others who do know make the decisions

Einstein, if you go the 'Boys website or do a search on the Internet, people have been talking about this trade for months as a possibility. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it dumb. Pull your head out of your ass and join the real world. Now will it ever happen? Who really knows, but to just stick your head in the sand and act like there is no mutual interest here between Jerry and AP, and that there isn't a good chance that Vikes will try and trade AP before or during the draft, is just being naive and stupid.

You can't just simply "build a team through the draft" with a 35 year old QB with multiple back injuries lol. It's not just that simple as waiting in rookies to develop 2-3 years down the road when your window of winning now may be closing soon lol. You kids live in a dream world of miracle draft picks taking the league by storm immediately, and just doesn't always happen that way. Sometime you need a good mix of vets and young players instead of just "jacking off" to every draft pick and sitting on some new "financial responsibility" mantra...that will only leave you sitting at home and watching the playoffs again for another 20 years instead of seizing the opportunity while you still can.

 

[Greg]

Lol, so you are now comparing those backs to AP and Lynch?? It took Murray how many years to have a good season, and only then after this team drafted three 1st round OLmen lol?? And his own team didn't want to re-sign him?? Wasn't McCoy just traded also?? What did Bell do his rookie season? Wasn't he just suspended as well? Ray Rice??...the man with no team. Lmfao, the others here aren't even worth commenting on...

How many draft busts and wasted draft picks at RB failed to make your "setting the league on fire" list lol. It had gotten so bad, that no RBs were even drafted in the first round over the last two years lol. You have no friggin clue about football. I didn't ask you for a list of one year wonders or serviceable RBs, I believe it was a list of consistent top performers and/or dominating RBs??

Correction: I meant drafted in the 1st round over the last two years.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Lol, so you are now comparing those backs to AP and Lynch?? It took Murray how many years to have a good season, and only then after this team drafted three 1st round OLmen lol?? And his own team didn't want to re-sign him?? Wasn't McCoy just traded also?? What did Bell do his rookie season? Wasn't he just suspended as well? Ray Rice??...the man with no team. Lmfao, the others here aren't even worth commenting on...

How many draft busts and wasted draft picks at RB failed to make your "setting the league on fire" list lol. It had gotten so bad, that no RBs were even drafted in the first two rounds over the last two years lol. You have no friggin clue about football. I didn't ask you for a list of one year wonders or serviceable RBs, I believe it was a list of consistent top performers and/or dominating RBs??

This isn't Madden 08. AP is 30 years old. His last full season, at 28, he had 1200 yards, not 2000. He is not the guy he was at 26. You just can't grasp reality

 

[Greg]

exactly. and making the kind of move where we give up players and draft picks to get a 30-year-old RB (even if it is AP) could damage us for years. i'm beginning to wonder if some actually think these things through or just spend their time chasing pipe dreams. JJ seems to be finally learning that he does not know how to build a team and is letting others who do know make the decisions

Btw, if you call the Hardy signing "building through the draft" and team taking a ton of heat for signing him, and "the right way to build" when they just signed and agreed to pay him like a top performing vet (if he played), then you're a hypocrite...and if you think that Jerry didn't have a final say on that signing or any of the draft picks over the last few years, you're just as delusional here as what you claim others to be. Sounds good and make excellent theater, but you have no real clue obviously if you think Jerry is just sitting there watching others make all the decisions about his football team like some old fart dribbling from his mouth (lmao).

 

[UK Cowboy]

Correction: I meant drafted in the 1st round over the last two years.

LMFAO, you get made to look like a complete fool after your absurd statement about no top backs since 07 and you come back with "correction"? What a twit

 

[es4m11]

Btw, if you call the Hardy signing "building through the draft" and team taking a ton of heat for signing him, and "the right way to build" when they just signed and agreed to pay him like a top performing vet (if he played), then you're a hypocrite...and if you think that Jerry didn't have a final say on that signing or any of the draft picks over the last few years, you're just as delusional here as what you claim others to be. Sounds good and make excellent theater, but you have no real clue obviously if you think Jerry is just sitting there watching others make all the decisions about his football team like some old fart dribbling from his mouth (lmao).

You're so dense it's comical.

Did Hardy cost Dallas multiple draft picks/players to acquire? Hardy signed a team friendly deal with no guaranteed money. If Hardy didn't have this domestic issue hanging over him he would have gotten a 5+ year deal worth about 15-17 mil a season, with probably about 40 million guaranteed. And you are saying Jerry paid him like a top vet?

This situation with Hardy is not at all comparable to AP.

I can't wait for the draft to get here so we can be done with all this AP to Dallas B.S.

 

[UK Cowboy]

You're so dense it's comical.

Did Hardy cost Dallas multiple draft picks/players to acquire? Hardy signed a team friendly deal with no guaranteed money. If Hardy didn't have this domestic issue hanging over him he would have gotten a 5+ year deal worth about 15-17 mil a season, with probably about 40 million guaranteed. And you are saying Jerry paid him like a top vet?

This situation with Hardy is not at all comparable to AP.

I can't wait for the draft to get here so we can be done with all this AP to Dallas B.S.

It's already over to everyone but Greg the waterboy. Was all over the radio this morning the Vikings can't get a #1 from Arizona, Dallas or anyone else. They were never gonna get it from Dallas. They let Murray walk, and at this point in his career, he is younger, cheaper, and yes, better than a 30 year old AP. In their last full season, Murray had 600 more yards lol

 

[Greg]

You're so dense it's comical.

Did Hardy cost Dallas multiple draft picks/players to acquire? Hardy signed a team friendly deal with no guaranteed money. If Hardy didn't have this domestic issue hanging over him he would have gotten a 5+ year deal worth about 15-17 mil a season, with probably about 40 million guaranteed. And you are saying Jerry paid him like a top vet?

This situation with Hardy is not at all comparable to AP.

I can't wait for the draft to get here so we can be done with all this AP to Dallas B.S.

So, it's ok to spend a high draft pick on Coleman or some other complete unknown rookie RB (ie. Felix Jones), but not on AP? Because there is a good chance that Gurley and/or Gordon will be gone by 27? The best RB of our generation that can possibly break records behind this OL?...all because we don't want to pay him, because it's really not about a high draft pick obviously if you are ok with Gurley or Gordon, and is so willing to risk Romo and this team's regression with no sustained running game or team identity if they completely whiff on a high round RB in this draft?? DMac and Randall as their workhorses now??

Makes complete sense lol.

By the way, stop with the dramatics, it may only take a 2nd rounder to get AP if no teams are willing to give up a 1st, which is what I would expect considering APs contract anchor... and the little time they would have to restructure it either before or during the draft.

 

[fastforward]

I really don't see a player with AP's ability heading into season with no guaranteed cash...just me. Either he will stand by his word and "look for a new start" elsewhere, or he will go for the guaranteed cash in Minny (and look like a sell-out). Either way, this team would be better off by far with a sure thing like AP over the next 2-3 years with Romo, Dez, OLine, then drafting any unproven rookie RB in this draft (with the exception of Gurley). They have already proven they could win in the playoffs and reach the SB (well, fell one game short of playing for the SB on the road), without a stout D and no Hardy, so giving up a draft pick(s) they were going to use on a RB anyway, btw, they also have comp picks next year so giving up a future pick will not hurt them as much also for a team with a win now mentality, not to mention the Vikes moving to a new stadium next year and being able to sell a future pick to their fan base, coupled with AP's desire to play for Cowboys and a willingness to restructure any deal, makes any potential AP trade a win win for both teams...

Either you pick your words incredibly badly or you just don't get it. Right now Peterson isn't guaranteed any money and if he walks away from the sport the Vikings can bill him for $2.4M. Peterson hasn't shown any desire to reduce his salary and until he does no-one is going to offer him any guarantees. Peterson isn't a sure thing. Hardy isn't a sure thing. Hell, Romo isn't a sure thing and he played last year. No-one is a sure thing! 'Any potential AP trade a win win for both teams'? Come on! Most here would like Peterson on the roster but it has to be on a deal with a good risk/reward for the Cowboys. High picks(s) plus high salaries won't do it. What future compensatory picks will the Cowboys get next year? (Not that it should influence any major trade this year). The Vikings stadium situation? As if that influences any future trade. Smh.

 

[Greg]

Either you pick your words incredibly badly or you just don't get it. Right now Peterson isn't guaranteed any money and if he walks away from the sport the Vikings can bill him for $2.4M. Peterson hasn't shown any desire to reduce his salary and until he does no-one is going to offer him any guarantees. Peterson isn't a sure thing. Hardy isn't a sure thing. Hell, Romo isn't a sure thing and he played last year. No-one is a sure thing! 'Any potential AP trade a win win for both teams'? Come on! Most here would like Peterson on the roster but it has to be on a deal with a good risk/reward for the Cowboys. High picks(s) plus high salaries won't do it. What future compensatory picks will the Cowboys get next year? (Not that it should influence any major trade this year). The Vikings stadium situation? As if that influences any future trade. Smh.

Wrong. AP has already indicated that he would be willing to restructure his deal to leave his current situation...or did you miss that part also? He is not living in the real world with the rest of us if he seriously believes that ANY team (including the Vikes) will trade for his current deal as is and guarantee that kind of money for a 30 year old RB in today's marketplace. Secondly, if the Vikes want to keep AP and and/or AP decides to return for whatever reason, he will definitely want some guaranteed money moving forward and some security to make him happy. He is just not going to risk getting injured and losing all that future guaranteed money on essentially a one year "we can cut you at any time" contract. The remaining two years of AP's current contract is just contract landfill and is not guaranteed, so why would AP expect to see that money?? Doesn't make any sense, he will have to restructure a new deal with either his current team or any team that he gets traded to obviously. AP can certainly say that I will only restructure for a team I want to go to, not to a team that offers you the best draft pick in return. So now what does the Vikes do? Pay a disgruntled player $13M for one season and roll the dice that he doesn't cause a team disturbance even further after just being told what to do by his team? Good luck.

I think AP does have some leverage here, and teams will definitely offer AP guaranteed money lol, you're delusional if you don't really believe that.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Wrong. AP has already indicated that he would be willing to restructure his deal to leave his current situation...or did you miss that part also? He is not living in the real world with the rest of us if he seriously believes that ANY team (including the Vikes) will trade for his current deal as is and guarantee that kind of money for a 30 year old RB in today's marketplace. Secondly, if the Vikes want to keep AP and and/or AP decides to return for whatever reason, he will definitely want some guaranteed money moving forward and some security to make him happy. He is just not going to risk getting injured and losing all that future guaranteed money on essentially a one year "we can cut you at any time" contract. The remaining two years of AP's current contract is just contract landfill and is not guaranteed, so why would AP expect to see that money?? Doesn't make any sense, he will have to restructure a new deal with either his current team or any team that he gets traded to obviously. AP can certainly say that I will only restructure for a team I want to go to, not to a team that offers you the best draft pick in return. So now what does the Vikes do? Pay a disgruntled player $13M for one season and roll the dice that he doesn't cause a team disturbance even further after just being told what to do by his team? Good luck.

I think AP does have some leverage here, and teams will definitely offer AP guaranteed money lol, you're delusional if you don't really believe that.

 

[Manster7588]

So, it's ok to spend a high draft pick on Coleman or some other complete unknown rookie RB (ie. Felix Jones), but not on AP? Because there is a good chance that Gurley and/or Gordon will be gone by 27? The best RB of our generation that can possibly break records behind this OL?...all because we don't want to pay him, because it's really not about a high draft pick obviously if you are ok with Gurley or Gordon, and is so willing to risk Romo and this team's regression with no sustained running game or team identity if they completely whiff on a high round RB in this draft?? DMac and Randall as their workhorses now??

Makes complete sense lol.

By the way, stop with the dramatics, it may only take a 2nd rounder to get AP if no teams are willing to give up a 1st, which is what I would expect considering APs contract anchor... and the little time they would have to restructure it either before or during the draft.

That best RB of our generation is 30 years old. That best RB of our generation has a 12.75M contract. That best RB of our generation is very near the end of his career. Can you guarantee us he has at least 3 years left?

So far Minny has said the want a player and a 1st or a 1st and 2nd. But you old wise one has him traded for a 2nd? Fucking unbelievable.

Now how much will that rookie cost?

 

[UK Cowboy]

That best RB of our generation is 30 years old. That best RB of our generation has a 12.75M contract. That best RB of our generation is very near the end of his career. Can you guarantee us he has at least 3 years left?

So far Minny has said the want a player and a 1st or a 1st and 2nd. But you old wise one has him traded for a 2nd? Fucking unbelievable.

Now how much will that rookie cost?

Since age isn't a concern, maybe instead of trading a 1st rounder for the best running back of our generation, Jerry could just call Emmitt Smith and bring back the NFL's all time rushing leader.....

 

[Greg]

That best RB of our generation is 30 years old. That best RB of our generation has a 12.75M contract. That best RB of our generation is very near the end of his career. Can you guarantee us he has at least 3 years left?

So far Minny has said the want a player and a 1st or a 1st and 2nd. But you old wise one has him traded for a 2nd? Fucking unbelievable.

Now how much will that rookie cost?

Minny can ask for anything they want lol, but in reality, it's what teams are willing to offer for him (for all those reasons you've just alluded to here), and what team AP is willing to restructure his deal with. Does the Vikes really want more of the same circus heading into next season with an now openly disgruntled AP, or do they cut their losses now and get what they can for him?? The best RB of our generation for playing reasons, is really only like a 29 year old RB with fresh legs having not played last season, which is a huge plus imo. Gordon has had how many carries last season in college, and will be expected to carry the load if drafted in Dallas. Not a good thing. Gurley is coming off an ACL injury and you just don't know when he will be ready physically as well as mentality. Then you have a real drop off of second tier RBs in this draft that will be expected to be this team's workhorse back from day 1, we know it won't be DMac with his injury history, with all of these rookies also having to learn the pro game as well in their first season quickly on the fly to help maintain this team's running identity (not to mention limit Romo's picks under pressure while also limiting our defensive exposure on the field). You are just asking a lot of a rookie here to make your team a serious contender. Something I'm not so confident that's even possible, yet you yahoos here are so ready to make it already a given lol.

I can definitely see 2-3 more productive years remaining in a freak of nature like AP as it proved that he is not normal coming back in less than a year from an ACL tear and running for over 2000 yards with a team not nearly as good as this one is now. Think about it, you are only getting a rooie RB in the 2nd round for less financially, but only with one more year of expected contract time. It is very possible that ANY RB rookie drafted can be on his way to another team in four years.

 

[scotsman1948]

Btw, if you call the Hardy signing "building through the draft" and team taking a ton of heat for signing him, and "the right way to build" when they just signed and agreed to pay him like a top performing vet (if he played), then you're a hypocrite...and if you think that Jerry didn't have a final say on that signing or any of the draft picks over the last few years, you're just as delusional here as what you claim others to be. Sounds good and make excellent theater, but you have no real clue obviously if you think Jerry is just sitting there watching others make all the decisions about his football team like some old fart dribbling from his mouth (lmao).

did i say anything about building through the draft only? Hardy makes sense because he is a young top-of-the-line pass rusher while AP is a 30-year-old RB who may have seen his better days. you accuse others of being delusional

 

[Greg]

did i say anything about building through the draft only? Hardy makes sense because he is a young top-of-the-line pass rusher while AP is a 30-year-old RB who may have seen his better days. you accuse others of being delusional

Yup, AP is washed up now?