Im sorry Mussina isnt deserving of HOF.

[StanMarsh51]

A generation is about 10-12 years and I'd say 5 would be reasonable. But the number is not the issue, its whether or not they meet the standard. One generation may have 10 and another may have zero.
Judge a player on how he is remembered after say 20 years. Everyone knows Willie Mays, Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth but I haven't thought of Mussina or Halladay in years. They were good but not great in my opinion of course.

If when you hear the guys name and you say "oh yeah, that guy, forgot about him but he was good" then he probably isn't HoF worthy to me.

There are 750 MLB players at any given time, so over a course of a decade it's easily over 1,000 different players. If you do 5 out of 1,000, not even being in the top 1% if HOF worthy in your opinion (you'd have to be in the top half of a percent).

Way too extreme of a criteria...

 

[wood20ks]

Agreed. And waht I still don't understand is why a guy gets 25% of the vote in his first year and then 75% in his 5th or 6th year. Did he get better in that time or what? It doesn't make sense

I understand the level of quality players are different,but I would tend to think it can't be enough to warrant that much difference in voting.....

 

[wood20ks]

It should be for the all time greats or someone who had a huge impact on the game like Ryan did. For instance everyone has heard of Nolan Ryan but really only baseball fans would remember Mike Mussina.

Lmao.........Its funny you said.....A half hr ago my 31 yr old son seen who the HOFerz were and asked me who is Mike Mussina was.....You hit it right on the head......
But there's no doubt he knew Mariano Rivera.....

 

[Yanks23242]

It should be for the all time greats or someone who had a huge impact on the game like Ryan did. For instance everyone has heard of Nolan Ryan but really only baseball fans would remember Mike Mussina.

This might shock you...but the HOF is for baseball fans.

 

[Yanks23242]

It should be for the all time greats or someone who had a huge impact on the game like Ryan did. For instance everyone has heard of Nolan Ryan but really only baseball fans would remember Mike Mussina.

And why should it be that? Aside from the very first class the HOF has never been just for the Ruth’s, Aarons’ or Mays’, so you’re trying to turn it into something that it’s never been.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

A generation is about 10-12 years and I'd say 5 would be reasonable. But the number is not the issue, its whether or not they meet the standard. One generation may have 10 and another may have zero.
Judge a player on how he is remembered after say 20 years. Everyone knows Willie Mays, Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth but I haven't thought of Mussina or Halladay in years. They were good but not great in my opinion of course.

If when you hear the guys name and you say "oh yeah, that guy, forgot about him but he was good" then he probably isn't HoF worthy to me.

You should look at Halladay’s numbers again. It’s for your own good.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I understand the level of quality players are different,but I would tend to think it can't be enough to warrant that much difference in voting.....

Nah, it’s because there’s a difference between a first ballot HOFer and one who gets in on his fourth of fifth chance. Writers know this and vote accordingly.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

This might shock you...but the HOF is for baseball fans.

This might be my favorite post of the thread. I wish I could rate it funny and winner.

I take back my screw you, buddy. I’m sure you’re relieved to hear that.

 

[Montalban]

Utley had a 6 year stretch that's among the best in MLB history for a 2B. Not only was he great offensively, but he was an elite defensive player, wheras Kent was mediocre.

For career WAR, Utley's at 65 whereas Kent's at 55.

Utley hit in a bandbox. Kent was underrated as a defender in my opinion.

 

[Montalban]

There are 750 MLB players at any given time, so over a course of a decade it's easily over 1,000 different players. If you do 5 out of 1,000, not even being in the top 1% if HOF worthy in your opinion (you'd have to be in the top half of a percent).

Way too extreme of a criteria...

Well, I think you can knock 900 of those guys off the list right off the bat.

 

[Wamu]

This might shock you...but the HOF is for baseball fans.

You're kidding?

 

[Montalban]

I understand the level of quality players are different,but I would tend to think it can't be enough to warrant that much difference in voting.....

Have you ever seen a list of the guys who can cast a vote? That's part of the problem

 

[Montalban]

This might shock you...but the HOF is for baseball fans.

Well there is your problem. You haven't read the charter for the HoF.

 

[Montalban]

And why should it be that? Aside from the very first class the HOF has never been just for the Ruth’s, Aarons’ or Mays’, so you’re trying to turn it into something that it’s never been.

No the current writers are and I think I know why. What I said it was is exactly what the intent of the HoF was I was spot on. I read the Charter.

 

[Montalban]

You should look at Halladay’s numbers again. It’s for your own good.

Someone convinced me a while back that Halladay was one of the elite guys of his era. Not good enough in my opinion though; then again not many who were elected in the last several years have been

 

[mrwallace2ku]

NOBODY gets into the HOF till this guy does….

 

[Montalban]

And why should it be that? Aside from the very first class the HOF has never been just for the Ruth’s, Aarons’ or Mays’, so you’re trying to turn it into something that it’s never been.

Here's a snippet from their charter:
"The National Baseball Hall of Fame is a nonprofit committed to preserving the history of America’s pastime and celebrating the legendary players, managers, umpires and executives who have made the game a fan favorite for more than a century."
The players I named fit the "legendary requirement" If you think Mussina does then you can feel justified in including him. For my part, reading the above, I'm more than comfortable in saying he does not meet that requirement.

 

[PolarVortex]

Biggio played 400+ games at catcher, so that gives him additional fielding value.

Not to mention, Biggio played a lot longer and that hurt his rate stats and 162 game averages....through roughly the same # of plate appearances (end of 2002), Biggio's slash line was .288/.377/.434/118, and he had 380 steals at that point and a 61 WAR.

Excuses

 

[PolarVortex]

Utley had a 6 year stretch that's among the best in MLB history for a 2B. Not only was he great offensively, but he was an elite defensive player, wheras Kent was mediocre.

For career WAR, Utley's at 65 whereas Kent's at 55.

Rogers Hornsby pees in Utley's general direction.

 

[ChiSoxFan]

NOBODY gets into the HOF till this guy does….



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No, Joe's been waiting longer.