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Penn State/Wisconsin
Said that in the post above yours, and said it all year. I'm a season ticket holder and it PISSES me off that I have to pay so much money to see such garbage games. I bitched about this schedule all off season. There's nothing for me to have to admit.
You have a system in place and under that system UW has earned the right to go get slaughtered by Bama. It is what it is.
If we are going by 2014 Ohio State is out . Due to not playing in their CCG. That is what put them in over Baylor and TCU.Everyone else in the discussion is playing that 13th game and would have Conference championships. It is kind of ironic with Penn State having the H2H and playing Wisconsin. It was the 13th game against Wisconsin and the conference championship that dropped TCU 3 spots and put OSU in.True. But totally inconsistent with what they stated in '14.
I'm not dissing Washington. I'm a Peterson fan through and through. Just point out how the committee seems to talk out of both sides of their mouth.
It's one thing for UW's lines to look stout and dominate Colorado or another highly ranked, but not giant sized line, and it's entirely a different thing to go against the lines with giant dudes who are also fast and athletic. We have seen in prior years what dominating Pac teams look like against those bigger lines. Slaughter is probably an exaggeration, but they would still lose and by double digits.BS, you wouldn't see bama till the champ game. Unless of course you are talking about that. In ethier case though you won't get slaughtered.
Couldn't agree more. There's maybe a small handful of teams in the country that you can comfortably guess are going to be really solid teams four years from now. Alabama, sure. Maybe Ohio State, maybe Oklahoma, maybe a couple other high-pedigree teams. But every P5 team in the nation can't fill up their OOC schedule with those teams-- there's not enough of them. So you place your bets the best that you can with the remaining teams, and hope for the best four years later.I freaking hate that you have to schedule these out so far in advance and can't make changes easily. The rest of our slate was who the conference put in front of us..
The real problem with this system is back when UW made their schedule for this year UW was only a 6-7 win team. You were asking them to find top level teams that probably had to travel across the entire country to play a team that hadn't been high quality in over a decade. Of course it's been hard for them to find that.Couldn't agree more. There's maybe a small handful of teams in the country that you can comfortably guess are going to be really solid teams four years from now. Alabama, sure. Maybe Ohio State, maybe Oklahoma, maybe a couple other high-pedigree teams. But every P5 team in the nation can't fill up their OOC schedule with those teams-- there's not enough of them. So you place your bets the best that you can with the remaining teams, and hope for the best four years later.
For example, when UW scheduled Rutgers several years ago, they were 8-4 and a bowl team. This year they were 2-10 and abysmal. UW always plays a regional smaller cupcake OOC because it's an opportunity for those teams to make more money in one game than they will for the rest of their seasons, which helps support their athletic programs. And because the PAC plays 9 conference games, that leaves just one remaining team to schedule OOC, and you just do what you can with that.
Any number of teams in any number of conferences face the same kinds of dilemmas.
The bottom line is that OOC scheduling is more likely to be a crap shoot than not. Yet it has major significance for deciding bowls, playoff spots, and championships. And the very fact that teams could hypothetically win or lose opportunities to play for championships based on how well they could predict the future four years ago, is a weakness in the whole system.
But I'm not sure that there is any answer for it.
Good points. Michigan got lucky with Colorado this year. Not winning the game but Colorado actually being good this year.The real problem with this system is back when UW made their schedule for this year UW was only a 6-7 win team. You were asking them to find top level teams that probably had to travel across the entire country to play a team that hadn't been high quality in over a decade. Of course it's been hard for them to find that.
Sure, NOW teams will schedule them because they are up off the mat, but how were they supposed to attract them back then?
And I believe Rutgers was a 9 win team when we scheduled that. Schiano had them rolling. This is exactly why it was hard to get people to take UW H/H games then. There is less risk taking a mid level team than a Rutgers, but still a fair amount.
So go play tough teams in your OOC and you better damned well be able to find a way to get them to you if you are rebuilding and pray they don't suck by the time those games come up or you will be vilified in the media.
Thank God they took that Auburn game in '18 so at least after next year the schedule goes up to where it needs to be. As long as Auburn doesn't fall apart by then.
The real problem with this system is back when UW made their schedule for this year UW was only a 6-7 win team. You were asking them to find top level teams that probably had to travel across the entire country to play a team that hadn't been high quality in over a decade. Of course it's been hard for them to find that.
Yeah that's the other issue, and it's a big one.
For what it's worth, I have no issue whatsoever with anyone rightly pointing to UW's OOC schedule as extremely weak. My issue is the implication that UW intentionally scheduled a weak OOC schedule in order to pad their W/L count. It's a ridiculous idea.
UW was sitting at 6-7, with years of consistent mediocrity behind it, unable to attract a top match up for a home-and-home, and therefore found a nine-win but non-pedigree bowl team to agree to terms. There was no intention there to inflate anything-- they just were dealing with the realities of their circumstances at the time.
I honestly think that they do it in order to help the athletic programs of those smaller regional schools. I can't say that I know I'm right about this-- but I'm not seeing another possible reason to do it.I hate it when teams schedule games like Portland State (I've never heard of them before). My team (Michigan) has done it as well (I remember Appalachian State). You can only lose those games (even if you win). Others were guilty of it too.
I honestly think that they do it in order to help the athletic programs of those smaller regional schools. I can't say that I know I'm right about this-- but I'm not seeing another possible reason to do it.
zero chance the committee could put in two B1G teams with neither of them even playing for the CCG, more or less crowned conference champs. Just don't see that happening.
There are two separate questions: Who should be in, and who will be in. People jump back and forth between them as though they are the same and they are not.So if Penn State wins the B1GCG. They should get in over Michigan, who has the same two losses. But beat Penn State 49-10, while outgaining them 515-190 and started emptying the bench in the 3rd quarter or it would have been worse?
There are two separate questions: Who should be in, and who will be in. People jump back and forth between them as though they are the same and they are not.
The committee has their hands full and if you trust them to put in the 4 best teams that also have the strongest claim then so be it. I have no such belief.
The way you select your division winners is broken if TWO teams more worthy are both sitting home today. Whatever happens is the fault of that system. Tell the B1G to get their shit together and put worthy teams in their CCG.
There are two separate questions: Who should be in, and who will be in. People jump back and forth between them as though they are the same and they are not.
The committee has their hands full and if you trust them to put in the 4 best teams that also have the strongest claim then so be it. I have no such belief.
The way you select your division winners is broken if TWO teams more worthy are both sitting home today. Whatever happens is the fault of that system. Tell the B1G to get their shit together and put worthy teams in their CCG.
Why the fuck am I supporting the ohio state fuckeyes ... I hate them.
Here's an argument for Penn St. Michigan lost to Iowa 14-13 a week after Penn St beat the snot out of them 41-14.I say Michigan, because they have beaten both Penn State and Wisconsin. Also, ohio state/Michigan II would be a huge ratings. Michigan two losses were by a total of 4 points with 2 AP/Coaches ranked teams. Of course I am a homer who sees the world through Maize & Blue sunglasses.
What do others think