I told you guys the Harvin trade was stupid

[jerseyhawksfan79]

There you go, I knew my memory was fading. Do you think they really made the difference?

McNabb had his best season with T.O. and made it to there only SB appearance in the McNabb/Reid era.

 

[yossarian]

TO was had for a 5th rounder, Moss a 4th rounder, Keyshawn cost two 1st round picks. I still understand why they did it but it was a risky move.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Honestly there were posters like Sonny and myself that had concerns. It seemed like a unnecessary risk , but once the Seahawks did the trade I was OK with it because of the following reasons.

A) Front Office has shown they know how to manage the cap.
B) With Rice and Tjak the Seahawks had some insight on Percy add his former OC putting in a good word for him and that Pete tried to recruit him to USC, well I give them credit for knowing more then Joe football fan.

Despite the nay sayers I think this could still work out. Time will tell.

 

[octagondd]

I want to be clear, I don't think this was a bad or bonehead decision by Schneider at all --- Harvin has or had world class speed and could score from any point on the field -- but I think it should be recognized that the risk in the move was the combination of draft picks and cap space that the Seahawks had to give up to get him, particularly given his injury history and his history of clashing with otherwise nice people like Leslie Frazier.

I understand there was risk involved with Percy, but no greater than drafting a bust with the 25th pick, and the upside is already a confirmed Pro Bowler type receiver.

I guess we could track DeAndre Hopkins or Cordarrelle Patterson to see how they do this season.

btw, what injury history do you speak of? and also, what cap space issue do the Hawks have this season with Harvin?

 

[yossarian]

Yes, he could come back at the end of the season and lead them to a division win and a SB appearance. But I would be really interested to know from Seahawk fans ---how far do the Seahawks have to go in the playoffs and over what period of time before you say the trade was worth it.

For example --- if they go to the SB, but lose and next year with the cap and everything they lose Rice and Browner and just win the division, is that worth it?

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Given Harvin's injury history, I'd still make that trade 9 out of 10 times. He's that dynamic and game changer on the field when healthy. I too believe this trade will work out.

 

[yossarian]

I understand there was risk involved with Percy, but no greater than drafting a bust with the 25th pick, and the upside is already a confirmed Pro Bowler type receiver.

I guess we could track DeAndre Hopkins or Cordarrelle Patterson to see how they do this season.

btw, what injury history do you speak of? and also, what cap space issue do the Hawks have this season with Harvin?

Well, he has a history of migraines, he was out with an ankle injury last year.

I didn't say they had an issue this year.
Here is a link, his cap hits start to take effect next year
How Percy Harvin's contract fits in Seattle - NFC West Blog - ESPN
Percy Harvin Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & Transactions

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Yes, he could come back at the end of the season and lead them to a division win and a SB appearance. But I would be really interested to know from Seahawk fans ---how far do the Seahawks have to go in the playoffs and over what period of time before you say the trade was worth it.

For example --- if they go to the SB, but lose and next year with the cap and everything they lose Rice and Browner and just win the division, is that worth it?

All Seahawks players will be judged by cost versus value. Same for the 49ers. Harvins injury is a blow but lets not keep harping on it like it's the end. Seahawks front office has shown themselves to good at managing the cap and I'm confident that the Seahawks will be fine for years to come. They'll have make some hard decisions as will the 49ers..same for any NFL team really.

I see that 49ers fans are enjoying the Karma thing and predicting dire consequents...we'll see how it plays out.

 

[octagondd]

Well, he has a history of migraines, he was out with an ankle injury last year.

I didn't say they had an issue this year.
Here is a link, his cap hits start to take effect next year
How Percy Harvin's contract fits in Seattle - NFC West Blog - ESPN
Percy Harvin Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & Transactions

His migraine issue was resolved and hasn't been an issue since. Ankle, ehh, doesn't seem to be a history for him.

As far as cap, I still don't see an issue. Our top players only combine to about $40million out of a cap of $123million. The new additions as well as the carry over basically make it even this season and the cap will go up slightly next year and others cap hits go down, so if the cap goes up by 3million then it is fine next season. I do understand BB and Sherman and RW will all come up at some point, but Rice and Miller and Lynch will be gone or re-structured by then. Harvin represents a true WR for a team that has always used role players. It does hurt to not have him this season if that is what happens, but as you said, that is a risk when trading for anyone that has an upside of ProBowl level ability already displayed in the league.

 

[tzorn10]

I was pretty excited about the Harvin pickup, but I should have known. Now I hear that Rice has a leg or knee problem that he's getting checked out. At this point, I think if we take another Viking through free agency, the entire front office needs strangled.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

How cute , the other negative nancy has spoken up. From what I heard Rice is A OK. Just getting a procedure done, that many athletes have had done to help rebuild cartilage. He will be fine come the regular season. As for Harvin lets not jump to conclusions. We all have plenty of time to see how it pans out and regradless the Seahawks will be in the playoffs IMO.

 

[DunceKaep]

This is what I heard:
One of the ex-NFL players, can't remember which one, said he had the exact same proceduce that Rice had. I can't verify if he is telling the truth, but that is what he said. He said it was no big deal.
Some spokesperson, also can't verify which one, mentioned that this was a pre-scheduled appointment.
An appointment out of country, this was the date available, so this is when he is getting it done.
Again, this is what I heard.
What I haven't heard is things like, Rice has a serious knee problem, except from negative nancy's or select 9er fans with no basis for their conclusion.
Go Hawks

 

[tzorn10]

How cute , the other negative nancy has spoken up. From what I heard Rice is A OK. Just getting a procedure done, that many athletes have had done to help rebuild cartilage. He will be fine come the regular season. As for Harvin lets not jump to conclusions. We all have plenty of time to see how it pans out and regradless the Seahawks will be in the playoffs IMO.

Sorry i'm not jumping up for joy when the player we dumped our first round draft pick for is made of glass and the other guy isnt much better. I hope it all works out in the end but,,,,,,

 

[TheDman875]

No, I said it on the day of the trade.

Im the guy that says a trade/signing is bad while everyone else says its good, and im the one that ends up right.

Its a pleasure to meet you

Sounds like you have selective hearing then Briwas (lol @ that name) because I know from a realistic standpoint that's not the case. In other words, all you look for is opposing feedback which is the only thing that fuels your posting. Pathetic. In one post of yours, you summarized yourself as a persistent against the grain type (perhaps to try and stand out), knee jerk reactionist troll by definition. Pleasure to meet you too. Hope it's the last time on this or any forum here.

PS:

I highly doubt that you're as right as you say you are.

For example, I'm willing to bet you were a Wilson naysayer because of his height and wanted him cut after the first few weeks of the season when he was struggling. If that is the case, then my "in a nutshell" analogy is spot on.

 

[yossarian]

All Seahawks players will be judged by cost versus value. Same for the 49ers. Harvins injury is a blow but lets not keep harping on it like it's the end. Seahawks front office has shown themselves to good at managing the cap and I'm confident that the Seahawks will be fine for years to come. They'll have make some hard decisions as will the 49ers..same for any NFL team really.

I see that 49ers fans are enjoying the Karma thing and predicting dire consequents...we'll see how it plays out.

I agree, but the trade made the cap decisions harder, not easier. I still understand why they made the trade, but it was risky given everything and the price was steep.

 

[yossarian]

THe author used to cover the Vikings before he went to USA Today.

Seahawks knew Percy Harvin's hip carried a risk

 

[SonnyCID]

Sorry i'm not jumping up for joy when the player we dumped our first round draft pick for is made of glass and the other guy isnt much better. I hope it all works out in the end but,,,,,,

Nobody else is here jumping for joy.

A bunch of disappointed posters from what I can see. Difference between you and us is that we express our disappointment and our excitement for the team. You only express disappointment, which is stupid because there is a lot to be excited about.

 

[octagondd]

I agree, but the trade made the cap decisions harder, not easier. I still understand why they made the trade, but it was risky given everything and the price was steep.

Yes, risky, but we were looking for icing on the cake, not eggs and flour to build the team around. Pretty expensive icing, but to get proven talent, that is the price. I woudn't characterize him as an injury risk even with someone who covered the Vikings writing desperate articles to appease the fans pissed that Harvin was traded. The trade would not have gone through if there was a looming medical issue, so it happens. It happened to Crabs, it happened to Harvin, it will happen to more players before the season even starts.

 

[nk12thman]

This low brow thread made it 4 pages? Amazing.

 

[NinerSickness]

This low brow thread made it 4 pages? Amazing.

Why is this thread low brow?