I told you guys the Harvin trade was stupid

[briwas101]

Schneider is one of the top 3 GMs in the NFL when it comes to drafting, but he is one of the 3 worst in the NFL at free agent signings and high-profile trades.

Zach Miller has earned less than half of what he has been paid (highest-paid blocking TE in NFL history BY A LOT).

Sidney Rice has earned less than half his money.

Now with Harvin we lost our 1st round pick and he became our highest paid player and now hes sidelined for 3-4 months.


All you guys from the espn boards LOVED to give me crap when I poo-pooed on our big signings, and yet I was right about them all.


EVERY major signing/trade has been a major mistake by the Hawks.


Just imagine how good we would be if we kept our 1st rounder and used our money on guys who will actually be playing for us.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Schneider is one of the top 3 GMs in the NFL when it comes to drafting, but he is one of the 3 worst in the NFL at free agent signings and high-profile trades.
Zach Miller has earned less than half of what he has been paid (highest-paid blocking TE in NFL history BY A LOT).
Sidney Rice has earned less than half his money.
Now with Harvin we lost our 1st round pick and he became our highest paid player and now hes sidelined for 3-4 months.
All you guys from the espn boards LOVED to give me crap when I poo-pooed on our big signings, and yet I was right about them all.
EVERY major signing/trade has been a major mistake by the Hawks.
Just imagine how good we would be if we kept our 1st rounder and used our money on guys who will actually be playing for us.

I completely disagree with your post.

To start with Zach Miller, at the time a 5 year $36m deal for a 25 year old Pro-Bowl TE was a great move. Obviously his production thus far has not matched is contract, but if the Seahawks did not sign Miller who would be the Seahawks starting TE? John Carlson was on the IR the year we signed Miller. I can't imagine having Anthony McCoy as the Seahawks starting TE instead of Miller.

Miller is a good player, overpaid but still a good player who if he did not spend so much time blocking would have the stats to match his contract.

Sidney Rice: Once again as with Zach Miller you could argue that the Rice signing was bad because of the financials but I have to make the same argument I did with Miller. At the time we were getting an outstanding player player who was not even 26 yet. He had/has injury concerns but can you imagine the WRs the Seahawks would have been throwing out there if not for Sidney Rice? I know there is a lot of love for Golden Tate on these boards suddenly, but by no stretch of the imagination is he a #1 WR.

In the overall scope of things the Sidney Rice signing will likely be looked back as a failure but it was no disaster. Unless he has a huge year this year, he will either have to have his contract restructured or he will be cut. At the time it was the right move, and when he is on the field he provides the Seahawks with an above average WR with good size. Something the Seahawks don't have on the roster currently.

The money the Seahawks spent on those two players likely could not have been spent any better than it was. Obviously the Sidney Rice thing did not work out, and if we could do it differently I assume we would. But the Zach Miller signing was the right signing and continues to be.

As far as the Percy Harvin trade goes I think we need more time to judge it. Honestly my bigger worry is the money committed to him, not the draft picks. Looking at the players selected around the Seahawks 1st rounder we sent to the Vikings, I can't picture that we lost out on anything huge. Once Harvin is out on the field he is one of the most explosive players in the NFL.

 

[dude82]

Is anyone else as shocked as I am that Briwas is pulling his "I told you so. I'm smarter than everyone" routine that was a staple of the ESPN forums for so long? It didn't take him long either. His first post on this forum and he's already alienated most of the people on the board. He didn't even wait until the actual body of the post to do it. He did it right in the headline.

 

[TheDman875]

So it takes a freak injury for you to step up to the plate and say this? LOL you sound like a 10 year old.

Who is this Briwas clown and why is he so desperate for acceptance? Get rid of him...waste of space.

 

[briwas101]

So it takes a freak injury for you to step up to the plate and say this? LOL you sound like a 10 year old.

Who is this Briwas clown and why is he so desperate for acceptance? Get rid of him...waste of space.

No, I said it on the day of the trade.

Im the guy that says a trade/signing is bad while everyone else says its good, and im the one that ends up right.

Its a pleasure to meet you

 

[briwas101]

Is anyone else as shocked as I am that Briwas is pulling his "I told you so. I'm smarter than everyone" routine that was a staple of the ESPN forums for so long? It didn't take him long either. His first post on this forum and he's already alienated most of the people on the board. He didn't even wait until the actual body of the post to do it. He did it right in the headline.

You mad that ONCE AGAIN I was the only one who was right?

Its amazing how often that happened over the years....

 

[Kyle]

Everyone is entitled 2 there opinion. Briwas at times kind of takes personal shot's, but at times his opinion's are valid. I agree with what Seahawksfan234 said about Rice and Miller. As for Harvin, we will now have to wait and see what happens with him in the future. Older Seahawk Fans are kind of disappointed right now because they are thinking back to the Branch trade and how that turned out for us!!!

 

[SonnyCID]

Schneider is one of the top 3 GMs in the NFL when it comes to drafting, but he is one of the 3 worst in the NFL at free agent signings and high-profile trades.

Zach Miller has earned less than half of what he has been paid (highest-paid blocking TE in NFL history BY A LOT).

Sidney Rice has earned less than half his money.

Now with Harvin we lost our 1st round pick and he became our highest paid player and now hes sidelined for 3-4 months.


All you guys from the espn boards LOVED to give me crap when I poo-pooed on our big signings, and yet I was right about them all.


EVERY major signing/trade has been a major mistake by the Hawks.


Just imagine how good we would be if we kept our 1st rounder and used our money on guys who will actually be playing for us.

Bottom 3? Get réal. This is the guy that traded for Lynch and Clemons for practically nothing. Show me a GM that hits on all his FA and trades. In fact, show me a GM that hits on 50%+ of his FA and trades.

I didnt want Harvin either. What do i win?

And even though i didnt want him, i still value their aggresive approach because that approach is what is to thank for the quick turnaround for the team.

Are Miller and Rice overpaid? Sûre, but without them i dont think the offense progresses at the same raté last year. And i would rather have them on the field for this upcoming season than the alternative.

 

[FirebreathingMonkey]

Schneider is one of the top 3 GMs in the NFL when it comes to drafting, but he is one of the 3 worst in the NFL at free agent signings and high-profile trades.

EVERY major signing/trade has been a major mistake by the Hawks..

Every trade huh, I have just one word for you good sir, LYNCH, enough said.

 

[Perpetual_Beast_Mode]

Briwas, how can you expect Zach Miller and Sydney Rice to put up huge numbers when Russell Wilson spreads the ball around AND we had fewer pass attempts than LITERALLY every other team in the league?

 

[Hawk Eye]

Briwas, it's a little early to declare yourself "right" or to declare this trade was stupid. If Harvin comes back in November and puts up 1,000 all purpose yards to lead us into the playoffs and has 4 incredible seasons after that, are you still going to be "right?"

No doubt this sucks. I'm disappointed to hear about this surgery. We need Harvin to take our offense to the next level but I think you'll need to wait 2-3 years to declare yourself right on calling this trade a bust.

As far as Miller and Rice go, overpaid? Yes they are, but I think they are both integral parts of this offense that are legit targets for RW3, which is really what we are paying them for. I expect both of them to have big years and hold it down until Harvin returns.

I'm not saying you're wrong, you just might end up being "right" but for now, a surgery to repair an injury doesn't make it so.

 

[SonnyCID]

Briwas, how can you expect Zach Miller and Sydney Rice to put up huge numbers when Russell Wilson spreads the ball around AND we had fewer pass attempts than LITERALLY every other team in the league?

He must be talking about their effect on his fantasy team rather than the Hawks.

 

[yossarian]

It was a risky move -- Harvin has had injuries throughout his career, last year an ankle, this year the hip, in addition to his issues with even good mellow coaches like Leslie Frazier. I think it's one of those moves where you're a genius if it works, and a moron if it doesn't. But it was risky and here's why --- they have Harvin eating up cap space for the next 2-3 years, years in which they have other players (Rice, Tate, Sherman, Browner, Thomas, Wilson) to sign, giving up a 1st and 3rd rounder also meant they lost some ability to get young cheap talent to replenish. Is it going to kill them? No, but it doesn't help at a time when the 49er and the Rams have amassed numerous draft picks that will allow them to stay young and good for a while.

 

[DunceKaep]

The Seahawks are currently under the CAP and still have room.
Did we overpay for a few guys, SURE, but when you have CAP space and the richest owner in the league, that IS what you do. Don't mention future CAP problems, because I'm POSITIVE that that will be dealt with when the time comes.

How many Seahawks have restructured their contracts to give the Seahawks more CAP space? ANY?
Why hasn't that happened? Because we have CAP space.

Briwas. who did we lose out on signing because we signed/traded for Rice and Harvin, Miller too?
No one, because we still have CAP space.

If you bring up future CAP, then you are not listening. Future will be dealt with when the future problems come. Do we have CAP problems right NOW? NO!

 

[gowazzu02]

LOL Briwas with the ESPN trolling his own team post of the day. I say give him the boot!

 

[DunceKaep]

The 49ers gave up a 1st and a 3rd for Reid.
The Seahawks gave up a 1st, 3rd, and a 7th for Harvin.
Yes, Harvin cost more, but again we have the CAP space.

SF used their 1st and traded their 3rd for 1 player (Reid)
Sea traded their 1st, traded their 3rd, and traded a 7th for 1 player (Harvin) AND a higher contract.

Quit pretending that we gave up so much for Harvin when SF did the same thing (minus the 7th) for Reid.

 

[France_Steve]

You mad that ONCE AGAIN I was the only one who was right?

Its amazing how often that happened over the years....

It sounds as if you feel that a 4 month injury makes Harvin a bad trade automatically. This is not an indisputable fact, which is why many people disagree with you. If you had said "Harvin will be injured and will miss 4 months of the season" you would be indisputably correct. But there is always the risk of injury with a player and an injury does not make this a bad move.

 

[yossarian]

The 49ers gave up a 1st and a 3rd for Reid.
The Seahawks gave up a 1st, 3rd, and a 7th for Harvin.
Yes, Harvin cost more, but again we have the CAP space.

SF used their 1st and traded their 3rd for 1 player (Reid)
Sea traded their 1st, traded their 3rd, and traded a 7th for 1 player (Harvin) AND a higher contract.

Quit pretending that we gave up so much for Harvin when SF did the same thing (minus the 7th) for Reid.

But we had an extra 3rd rounder to give, which was one of the benefits of having multiple draft picks, in fact we had more picks than we had cap space to sign them all (and a talent level that meant not all of them would make the team). So we didn't give up the opportunity to sign a young cheap player, the Seahawks did. And it's true that this year the cap space is fine, but in the following years it will be tough. Even John Clayton, whom I think really never slams the Seahawks, said that this was where the trade was going to be costly -- it would affect the Seahawks ability to keep all their players. I'll take his word and cap knowledge over yours.

 

[DunceKaep]

But we had an extra 3rd rounder to give, which was one of the benefits of having multiple draft picks, in fact we had more picks than we had cap space to sign them all (and a talent level that meant not all of them would make the team). So we didn't give up the opportunity to sign a young cheap player, the Seahawks did. And it's true that this year the cap space is fine, but in the following years it will be tough. Even John Clayton, whom I think really never slams the Seahawks, said that this was where the trade was going to be costly -- it would affect the Seahawks ability to keep all their players. I'll take his word and cap knowledge over yours.

Was I claiming MY knowledge of CAP space? NO. I said that the Seahawks will figure it out when the time comes.

I just wish a 9er fan would say 'that's true' rather than turning it into a strawman argument.
But we had an extra......blah blah. Stick to the FACTS, money involved withstanding, Seahawks gave up a 7th rounder (1st and 3rd too) to get Harvin, while SF gave up a 1st and 3rd.

The difference in draft picks being a measly 7th round pick. Can you agree on that?

 

[dredinis21]

The 49ers gave up a 1st and a 3rd for Reid.
The Seahawks gave up a 1st, 3rd, and a 7th for Harvin.
Yes, Harvin cost more, but again we have the CAP space.

SF used their 1st and traded their 3rd for 1 player (Reid)
Sea traded their 1st, traded their 3rd, and traded a 7th for 1 player (Harvin) AND a higher contract.

Quit pretending that we gave up so much for Harvin when SF did the same thing (minus the 7th) for Reid.

I get the premise of what he was saying with regards to replenishing the roster by trading away draft picks with big FA coming up, but I agree with you, Dunce, on that SEA didn't give away as much as they received and even if, at the slim chance, he's out for the season, he is far too talented and explosive NOT to be productive. He may have to change how he plays a bit to preserve his body, but I wouldn't bet against him to be scarily explosive threat for the next 3-5 yrs.