i shouldnt do this but i cant walk away

[Sharkinva]

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I'm not a tag expert, but if he was tagged non-exclusive and worked out a deal with another team, all the Redskins could do was either match the deal and keep him or get a compensatory pick (3rd or 4th rounder, I think). Now we could have worked out more compensation with the new team so as not to match the offer. In that scenario, either tag would have probably worked. But I don't think we would have ever received 2 #1s in return for KC only because the other team could just wait until after this season and sign him as a FA.

Actually if they had used the non exclusive tag, compensation would start at two first rounders. But teams can and have negotiated that compensation DOWN. Most notable, we tagged Champ Bailey and all we got was a cross dressing RB and we gave up an extra 2nd rounder in the bargain.

 

[gkekoa]

I want to tread lightly but narcissism aside, do you think Luck was that much better than Griffin?
Since you've been willing to shoot at a guy who is suppose to be bullet proof -- personally I think its a shame Griffin isn't playing well somewhere after what we saw he could have done. It looks like the Colts are doing the EXACT same thing -- putting all this responsibility on a guy with no ELITE help on offense or defense.
(for people that want to see something that is NOT there, I'm happy with Cousins)

I think Luck was more polished coming out and is more coachable. RG3 had talent but he had to have his legs to be effective. Luck's body was more capable of absorbing punishment, just like Cam, but even their bodies have worn down.

 

[gkekoa]

Luck is the best young QB in the game. Its easy to hate on him now cuz the beatings he taken over the last 5 years have caught up to him. IMO if he was healthy and QBing the Redskins the last two years. The Skins would've won 20+ games, made two playoff appearances instead of one and have a playoff win.

I think Wilson should and would take exception to that. I also think Winston, Mariota, and Carr have shown as much.

You are entitled to your opinion, but Luck does not fit the scheme here. He would be a square peg trying to get into a round hole. He fit Arians scheme and was successful there. Luck would have been injured here too because he hasn't learned about getting rid of the ball.

 

[redskin4209]

I'm good man, how're you doing? Anything special going on during your break? Took some time myself as I do annually from posting.


I am doing fine Sty thanks. Doing a lot of fishing and watching baseball. I am thirsty for some football and can't wait until for Thursday to get here. It's kind of like Christmas for me lol.

We need to get off to fast start and win the first two games. I like our team this yr just worried about KC. The INT KC made against the G man really rattle my confidence in KC but hey I am always wishing the best for my Skins. Good to be back.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I think Wilson should and would take exception to that. I also think Winston, Mariota, and Carr have shown as much.

You are entitled to your opinion, but Luck does not fit the scheme here. He would be a square peg trying to get into a round hole. He fit Arians scheme and was successful there. Luck would have been injured here too because he hasn't learned about getting rid of the ball.

I was expecting lots of backlash, but I have to agree -- Luck doesn't fit in this scheme.
He should be glad he is in Indy, the media would be using his numbers to destroy him here.
I'd be willing to say Luck's window to win a superbowl -- at least in Indy....is over.
If the organization doesn't do more with the o-line, and defense his career could be too.

 

[gkekoa]

I was expecting lots of backlash, but I have to agree -- Luck doesn't fit in this scheme.
He should be glad he is in Indy, the media would be using his numbers to destroy him here.
I'd be willing to say Luck's window to win a superbowl -- at least in Indy....is over.
If the organization doesn't do more with the o-line, and defense his career could be too.

Is it the OL or is it the QB holding the ball too long? I have watched a few games and he has a tendency to do what Ben does. It isn't always the OL that deserves the sack.

 

[Breed]

I think Wilson should and would take exception to that. I also think Winston, Mariota, and Carr have shown as much.

You are entitled to your opinion, but Luck does not fit the scheme here. He would be a square peg trying to get into a round hole. He fit Arians scheme and was successful there. Luck would have been injured here too because he hasn't learned about getting rid of the ball.

Wilson could have a case, but his teams have been much better than Luck's teams as well. I think Luck has the ability to play in pretty much any scheme including Gruden's. I think he'd love to have some protection and getting rid of the ball quickly.


Let me know when Marriota, Carr, Jameis, Kirk, Tannyhill etc win 11 games in a season 3 times in a row and take their teams to the playoffs 3 years in a row and win multiple playoff games including 2 postseason games in the same year before falling in the AFCCG to NE.

 

[gkekoa]

Wilson could have a case, but his teams have been much better than Luck's teams as well. I think Luck has the ability to play in pretty much any scheme including Gruden's. I think he'd love to have some protection and getting rid of the ball quickly.


Let me know when Marriota, Carr, Jameis, Kirk, Tannyhill etc win 11 games in a season 3 times in a row and take their teams to the playoffs 3 years in a row and win multiple playoff games including 2 postseason games in the same year before falling in the AFCCG to NE.

Again, it is your opinion, but I think it is skewed by hype. Luck is inaccurate and some of his OL issues are really his own issues.

So at the beginning you said Luck's team is poor and at the close you talk about 11 wins. Do you see the contradiction?

 

[Breed]

Again, it is your opinion, but I think it is skewed by hype. Luck is inaccurate and some of his OL issues are really his own issues.

So at the beginning you said Luck's team is poor and at the close you talk about 11 wins. Do you see the contradiction?

Just as its your opinion and I think you're wrong.

And what contradiction? Luck has never played on a good team or even had a good/great offense or defense while in Indy. He's still led the Colts to three 11 win seasons and 3 playoff wins.

 

[gkekoa]

Just as its your opinion and I think you're wrong.

And what contradiction? Luck has never played on a good team or even had a good/great offense or defense while in Indy. He's still led the Colts to three 11 win seasons and 3 playoff wins.

You say he has never played on a great team but tout those same teams for three consecutive 11 win seasons and three playoff wins. Contradiction.

If Indy has never had a great offense or defense in Luck's tenure, then how did they have those three consecutive 11 win seasons? Wait, I know, worst division in football.

Oh, and 2014, Indy offense was three overall and six in scoring at 28 PPG.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Too funny that at the current time that only injury free, effective QBs from the 2012 draft are a 3rd & 4th rounder.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And a top 5 rate QB in his two starting years. Just wanted to get ALL the facts in there. I'll listen to your record stats but you should add to them every time the D or kicker cost the team (him) a win. Such as Detroit and Cincinnati last year. BTW his two years as the actual starter are 17-14-1. Hell that could be 19-14 if the D can stop Detroit - you know ... the game he led the team to a go ahead TD with 1:05 to go. And the game in Cinn. where he led them to what could have been a game winning FG but Hopkins missed it.

And no way in hell can you blame Cousins for the Thanksgiving Day loss to the Cowboys. He was on fire that day & threw for almost 450 yds. However - their D was a joke (as were most teams last season vs. DAL). It will be interesting to see how Cousins fares this season now that hey appear to at least have some semblance of a defense & also perhaps a red zone presence.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

This idea that the QB is the end-all/be-all to Ws & Ls is a joke. Sure the QB contributes to the outcome, but there is much more to a team than simply a QB & even a great one can't always overcome shortcomings for the rest of the team. Brees is regarded as a top 5 QB in the NFL. However - the Saints have had a terrible record in the last several years. Is that on Brees? Of course not - it is primarily a factor of having a terrible D.

Why are the Redskins any different? Not stating that Cousins doesn't have flaws (i.e. winning in the clutch) but to pin their losses almost exclusively on him is an outright joke.

 

[Sportster 72]

Not only do fans go to win/loss records to validate QBs many in the media do also. I just can't see how someone like Dan Marino wouldn't be considered one of the all time greats because he did not win a championship or for that matter Sonny Jurgensen either.

If you go by that theory you would have to give Dilfer, Flacco and Brad Johnson a lot more credit.

Football is the ultimate team game. Teams win together and lose together and most often you need all facets of the game working. QB is certainly an important position if not the most important position but without help from the entire team you can't win games by yourself.

 

[skinsdad62]

Not only do fans go to win/loss records to validate QBs many in the media do also. I just can't see how someone like Dan Marino wouldn't be considered one of the all time greats because he did not win a championship or for that matter Sonny Jurgensen either.

If you go by that theory you would have to give Dilfer, Flacco and Brad Johnson a lot more credit.

Football is the ultimate team game. Teams win together and lose together and most often you need all facets of the game working. QB is certainly an important position if not the most important position but without help from the entire team you can't win games by yourself.

you and i have reached that conclusion . most pundits and such have not and thats the rub

 

[Stymietee]

Not only do fans go to win/loss records to validate QBs many in the media do also. I just can't see how someone like Dan Marino wouldn't be considered one of the all time greats because he did not win a championship or for that matter Sonny Jurgensen either.

If you go by that theory you would have to give Dilfer, Flacco and Brad Johnson a lot more credit.

Football is the ultimate team game. Teams win together and lose together and most often you need all facets of the game working. QB is certainly an important position if not the most important position but without help from the entire team you can't win games by yourself.

I have been saying this on this site since I joined it. The whole nonsense about the most important position on the field is just that....nonsense! Why? Because just as you've noted, it is the ultimate team game. Great teams don't suddenly become horrible ones in the absence of any single part.

We of all fanbases should know this having won 3 SB's with 3 different QB's and essentially the same team otherwise. Now I fully expect that the usual response will be "different times Sty".... "different times" a rather dumb retort because consistency never goes out of style not to mention, that it's been proved that it can be done over and over again in this league. (Consistency)

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Luck is the best young QB in the game. Its easy to hate on him now cuz the beatings he taken over the last 5 years have caught up to him. IMO if he was healthy and QBing the Redskins the last two years. The Skins would've won 20+ games, made two playoff appearances instead of one and have a playoff win.

I was looking at the math on this and if Luck was the QB instead of Cousins in your scenario, the only difference is a playoff win. Cousins wins the division in '15 and with the success of Dallas in '16 even a 12 win season wouldn't have gotten another division title. But that would be equal to 20+ wins in 2 seasons.
That's only one way to do the numbers, but Luck was busy watching the playoffs at home

 

[Sportster 72]

I have been saying this on this site since I joined it. The whole nonsense about the most important position on the field is just that....nonsense! Why? Because just as you've noted, it is the ultimate team game. Great teams don't suddenly become horrible ones in the absence of any single part.

We of all fanbases should know this having won 3 SB's with 3 different QB's and essentially the same team otherwise. Now I fully expect that the usual response will be "different times Sty".... "different times" a rather dumb retort because consistency never goes out of style not to mention, that it's been proved that it can be done over and over again in this league. (Consistency)

You have been saying that a long time Sty. No argument. I agree but I also say there isn't any reason to get rid of a good QB either. I don't expect Cousins or anyone else to single handedly win a regular season game, playoff game or Super Bowl but having a good QB doesn't hurt. Of course it would have been a lot better if the FO had projected better and signed him to a lot less costly contract.

 

[j_y19]

You have been saying that a long time Sty. No argument. I agree but I also say there isn't any reason to get rid of a good QB either. I don't expect Cousins or anyone else to single handedly win a regular season game, playoff game or Super Bowl but having a good QB doesn't hurt. Of course it would have been a lot better if the FO had projected better and signed him to a lot less costly contract.

I'll even go out on a limb and say having a good QB is mandatory. He doesn't have to be great, but he has to be competent and can run the scheme. While no one position can win a title for you, there is no reason to run off a good QB without a plan to make the position better. I think that is the gist of us "pro" KC supporters have been preaching for a while. KC is not the best in the league (far from it), but he is the best we have and as good or better than any replacement we back fill with when he walks next year. Oh, and he is good enough to lead the right team to a SB.

 

[Stymietee]

You have been saying that a long time Sty. No argument. I agree but I also say there isn't any reason to get rid of a good QB either. I don't expect Cousins or anyone else to single handedly win a regular season game, playoff game or Super Bowl but having a good QB doesn't hurt. Of course it would have been a lot better if the FO had projected better and signed him to a lot less costly contract.

No doubt about that, they "Should" have signed him long term. He's a pretty good QB and more important, fits Gruden's system. Although I have great admiration for those, still holding out hope that he'll still get that LTD here, my spidey senses told me back after the failed post 2015 season negotiations, that it just wasn't going to happen. Based upon that sense, everything else that I've written about him, including maximizing his trade value came into play.

Well, here we are, looking at a 3rd round compensatory pick for Kirk. This is definitely a time that I'm hoping that my spidey senses are totally off base and that the hopeful get their wish. I won't be holding my breath waiting on that remote IMHO, very unlikely event.