I know I will get Criticized but.....

[Mistaken4193]

Second only to Cal Ripken as the most overrated baseball player in the history of baseball. Jeter spends his career in Baltimore and we barely know his name.

100% agree, the only reason Cal Ripken is who he is is because he didn't get hurt and miss games, Not because of his play.

 

[cerealboi]

Who is this Derek Jeter?

 

[StanMarsh51]

100% agree, the only reason Cal Ripken is who he is is because he didn't get hurt and miss games, Not because of his play.

Then again, it's not as if he was some mediocre or just decent shortstop by any means. He had a decade stretch with a 127 OPS+, and I don't think you'd find more than 3-4 in baseball history guys who were able to do that as a SS (maybe Wagner, Banks, Vaughn and A-Rod but that might be it). Then you add that to him being a very good defensive SS (+181 FRAA as a SS), and how is that not great?

 

[cerealboi]

Okay I looked him up and have come to the following conclusion.

Nomah 1997-2006 >> Jeter 1997-2006

 

[HammerDown]

Okay I looked him up and have come to the following conclusion.

Nomah 1997-2006 >> Jeter 1997-2006

Yeah, and Nomar did it with less Mariano-supplied "help" too.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Okay I looked him up and have come to the following conclusion.

Nomah 1997-2006 >> Jeter 1997-2006

Then again, Nomar averaged less than 120 games/season in that 10 year stretch. Not to mention, Nomar has only 1,055 games at shortstop (less than 7 seasons worth of games).

You can argue he was better at full strength when he played shortstop, but fact is, he wasn't at full strength and/or playing shortstop very often.

 

[Lord Scalious]

Okay I looked him up and have come to the following conclusion.

Nomah 1997-2006 >> Jeter 1997-2006

You've been sitting in the milk to long again and gone soggy...

Gone full yamtard..

 

[HammerDown]

100% agree, the only reason Cal Ripken is who he is is because he didn't get hurt and miss games, Not because of his play.

That record is a total joke, nothing but a cheap marketing gimmick when MLB needed one most. It's incredible how people gobbled that silliness up.

 

[HammerDown]

You've been sitting in the milk to long again and gone soggy...

Gone full yamtard..

Scal forgive me for what I just said about Cal.

 

[cerealboi]

Then again, Nomar averaged less than 120 games/season in that 10 year stretch. Not to mention, Nomar has only 1,055 games at shortstop (less than 7 seasons worth of games).

You can argue he was better at full strength when he played shortstop, but fact is, he wasn't at full strength and/or playing shortstop very often.

I blame that a-hole Al Reyes for breaking Nomah's wrist at the end of 1999.

 

[Lord Scalious]

Scal forgive me for what I just said about Cal.

What was that? Whatever it was..it was probably correct.

 

[cerealboi]

You've been sitting in the milk to long again and gone soggy...

Gone full yamtard..

Who are you?

 

[StanMarsh51]

I blame that a-hole Al Reyes for breaking Nomah's wrist at the end of 1999.

Who cares whose fault it is...fact is, Nomar missed more than 1/4 the season each year on average during that stretch.

The logic you're using is almost like saying Rich Harden was one of the best pitchers in baseball from 2004-2008 because he had a very good ERA, yet got hurt every year and missed huge chunks of each season.

 

[cerealboi]

Dammit Hammer. Where is the strike through option?

 

[HammerDown]

Dammit Hammer. Where is the strike through option?

Check the help link at bottom right for a full list.

 

[cerealboi]

Who cares whose fault it is...fact is, Nomar missed more than 1/4 the season each year on average during that stretch.

The logic you're using is almost like saying Rich Harden was one of the best pitchers in baseball from 2004-2008 because he had a very good ERA, yet got hurt every year and missed huge chunks of each season.

So what you're saying is Derek was better at staying healthy but Nomar was a better player. I won't dispute that.

 

[Lord Scalious]

Dammit Hammer. Where is the strike through option?

 

[StanMarsh51]

So what you're saying is Derek was better at staying healthy but Nomar was a better player. I won't dispute that.

Here's the question:
Would you rather have Nomar at 115 games a season and have to use your backup SS the rest of the time, or have Jeter for 150+ games a season?

Nomar could've been up there as all-time elite SS, but his lack of durability severely hurts his career value.

 

[cerealboi]

You sonuva. . . .

 

[cerealboi]

Here's the question:
Would you rather have Nomar at 115 games a season and have to use your backup SS the rest of the time, or have Jeter for 150+ games a season?

Nomar could've been up there as all-time elite SS, but his lack of durability severely hurts his career value.

Easy. Nomar. My back up would probably field better than Jeter.