I have a question for all of the BPA thinkers.

[skinsdad62]

However you may characterize WR as being a 'need,' it's low on the 'need' totem pole. The biggest need we've got is RT, then RG, pass-rushing OLB, free safety, and then big WR. It would make zero sense to take Cooper at #5. Zero.

it makes zero sense if you go by year by year . but in 2017 both garcon and djax could be gone , then what ? you look at your needs , and draft the BPA at a position of need . if value isnt there you go to the next need need and so on . drafting cooper in this case would mean you are drafting for the 5th or 6th highest need and trying to get value there or you have gone to BPA because you cant trade down

my opinion is if we had to pick wr it would be white for me

 

[redskinsfan]

They could be gone, but the NFL's lessons on success are clear: if you've got a stalwart o-line, you can have less than elite talent elsewhere. Build your o-line and you can have middling QBs like Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, and Colin Kaernick take you to Superbowls.

 

[Sleepy T]

You think like I think Redskins fan.

While it would be great to add someone like a White or Cooper, they won't make this team perennial contenders.

Look at the freaking Cowboys....it makes me want to barf, but they have followed a good blueprint and are on their way to being a championship team. They rolled the dice on a wooden Dez Bryant and won and they built an OLine that made Murray seem a lot better than he really is.

 

[Pappy]

Reading these posts tells me why the Skins haven't drafted worth a shit in quite a while. If the GM and coaches think like this, you'll probably trade your first round pick for Michael Vick!

 

[obibyn]

Reading these posts tells me why the Skins haven't drafted worth a shit in quite a while. If the GM and coaches think like this, you'll probably trade your first round pick for Michael Vick!

Care to elaborate?

 

[redskinsfan]

You think like I think Redskins fan.

While it would be great to add someone like a White or Cooper, they won't make this team perennial contenders.

Look at the freaking Cowboys....it makes me want to barf, but they have followed a good blueprint and are on their way to being a championship team. They rolled the dice on a wooden Dez Bryant and won and they built an OLine that made Murray seem a lot better than he really is.

Exactly. Unfortunately for us, Jerry Jones' son Stephen supposedly took the first round draft card his dad had last year with Manziel's name on it and gave him a card with Zach Martin's name on it. Can you imagine if they got Manziel instead of Martin? Missed opportunities.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Reading these posts tells me why the Skins haven't drafted worth a shit in quite a while. If the GM and coaches think like this, you'll probably trade your first round pick for Michael Vick!

As for picks' last year or in the previous 10 years then you are basically correct. However - don't think that is the case with the new GM who has a proven track record & does not operate in this fashion. Ignore the fans posts - they have no input - the Redskins will be fine moving forward.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

It's draft day and the 5th pick is on the clock, Washington has as it's BPA by far A. Cooper.....do you draft him or pass?

Ah man, this reminds me of the conflicts I used to get into with DavidBovey? Is that his name?
...Sty, take it from a fan who believes in drafting for need, BPA and need are exactly the same in principle.
However BPA is better. Now to all my "need" disciples I have not joined the dark side, but the Redskins have been so bad with cap, FA and trading picks that we have not been in a position to take advantage of drafting in a BPA style and therefore we address needs and perhaps overlook something else. I hear Scott is going to fix that.
Also, you can't expect anything to come out of that loaded question to BPA guys, lol.

 

[skinsdad62]

They could be gone, but the NFL's lessons on success are clear: if you've got a stalwart o-line, you can have less than elite talent elsewhere. Build your o-line and you can have middling QBs like Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, and Colin Kaernick take you to Superbowls.

i agree but does that have to be a 1st round pick ? if you dont have an o/lineman worthy of the 5th overall pick then what do ypou do if a trade down isnt available ? . you look to the next need or BPA

i bet A J Cann or Laken tomlinson could start for us as 2nd rounders at OG and donavan smith at RT could in round 3

that would be addressing the o/line with real solutions

 

[Sleepy T]

i agree but does that have to be a 1st round pick ? if you dont have an o/lineman worthy of the 5th overall pick then what do ypou do if a trade down isnt available ? . you look to the next need or BPA

i bet A J Cann or Laken tomlinson could start for us as 2nd rounders at OG and donavan smith at RT could in round 3

that would be addressing the o/line with real solutions

?? Noone is talking about guards and centers here skinsdad. We all know that rarely is a guard considered a Top 10 selection much less a Top 5. And are you really comparing a 3rd round prospect to a Top 10 prospect?? Yeah he probably could start for us because our RT situation SUCKS!!! We cant do much worse.

Here is the thing that I dont quite understand about some of you folks logic.

Lets just say for arguments sake that this team has a couple pass rushers that it really likes, guys they consider as Top 5 picks. Both of those guys are gone when they pick. Now...we cant move the pick and there is a WR that they rate somewhere in the 4-7 range (a position they really could do without right now) and a couple tackles that they rate as a 7-12 pick. So... what you are suggesting is that we should pull the trigger on a WR we really don't need at the expense of passing on a RT (possibly LT one day) that we need RIGHT NOW...REALLY LIKE FIVE DAMN YEARS AGO!! , who we have rated a handful of measly spots lower than where we are picking at??? Sorry... that logic just seems flawed to me.

This "BPA no matter position" talk is for spoiled fan-bases of teams that have been contenders for a number of years running. (Pats, Steelers, etc.). This organization does not currently fit that profile.

 

[j_y19]

?? Noone is talking about guards and centers here skinsdad. We all know that rarely is a guard considered a Top 10 selection much less a Top 5. And are you really comparing a 3rd round prospect to a Top 10 prospect?? Yeah he probably could start for us because our RT situation SUCKS!!! We cant do much worse.

Here is the thing that I dont quite understand about some of you folks logic.

Lets just say for arguments sake that this team has a couple pass rushers that it really likes, guys they consider as Top 5 picks. Both of those guys are gone when they pick. Now...we cant move the pick and there is a WR that they rate somewhere in the 4-7 range (a position they really could do without right now) and a couple tackles that they rate as a 7-12 pick. So... what you are suggesting is that we should pull the trigger on a WR we really don't need at the expense of passing on a RT (possibly LT one day) that we need RIGHT NOW...REALLY LIKE FIVE DAMN YEARS AGO!! , who we have rated a handful of measly spots lower than where we are picking at??? Sorry... that logic just seems flawed to me.

This "BPA no matter position" talk is for spoiled fan-bases of teams that have been contenders for a number of years running. (Pats, Steelers, etc.). This organization does not currently fit that profile.

VT, that is not the scenario that sty laid out. In his scenario, Cooper, the WR, was rated way higher than the next player on the board. Your scenario puts the WR and the next player (OL) much closer. In your scenario, I might very well take the OL player.

 

[Sharkinva]

i agree but does that have to be a 1st round pick ? if you dont have an o/lineman worthy of the 5th overall pick then what do ypou do if a trade down isnt available ? . you look to the next need or BPA

i bet A J Cann or Laken tomlinson could start for us as 2nd rounders at OG and donavan smith at RT could in round 3

that would be addressing the o/line with real solutions

And I will simply state that we have taken the route of drafting developmental Offensive lineman withthe hopes that they could start sooner rather than later for the past 15 years. And lets not pretend the guys we have drafted were players that every one thought would fail.

Moses was ranked as one of the top ten OT prospects last year, every one though Long was a very solid pickup last year as well. We are talking the diffence between the 5th and the 8th pick here as far as Scherff is concerned.

You really think 3 or hell even five spots makes up SO much value that we drop 1-3 rounds in talent level because hey most people think he isnt worth a top five pick??

 

[skinsdad62]

?? Noone is talking about guards and centers here skinsdad. We all know that rarely is a guard considered a Top 10 selection much less a Top 5. And are you really comparing a 3rd round prospect to a Top 10 prospect?? Yeah he probably could start for us because our RT situation SUCKS!!! We cant do much worse.

Here is the thing that I dont quite understand about some of you folks logic.

Lets just say for arguments sake that this team has a couple pass rushers that it really likes, guys they consider as Top 5 picks. Both of those guys are gone when they pick. Now...we cant move the pick and there is a WR that they rate somewhere in the 4-7 range (a position they really could do without right now) and a couple tackles that they rate as a 7-12 pick. So... what you are suggesting is that we should pull the trigger on a WR we really don't need at the expense of passing on a RT (possibly LT one day) that we need RIGHT NOW...REALLY LIKE FIVE DAMN YEARS AGO!! , who we have rated a handful of measly spots lower than where we are picking at??? Sorry... that logic just seems flawed to me.

This "BPA no matter position" talk is for spoiled fan-bases of teams that have been contenders for a number of years running. (Pats, Steelers, etc.). This organization does not currently fit that profile.

nope . because that isnt to big of a difference now where scherf ends up being drafted is open to debate . i have seen 8-15 depending on what service you look at . this will change as time goes on because that is the way it is

now you show me a pure RT who is worthy of the 5th overall pick and i am all in the guys i have mentioend arent projects to start . they are likely day one guys .

the best pure Rt's in this draft appear to be flowers and peat , collins is iffy at RT or OG i havent seen a draft wher either of those guys are top 5 picks . most have scherf going 1st and say he is a OG . and if we draft him i am very much OK with it

 

[skinsdad62]

And I will simply state that we have taken the route of drafting developmental Offensive lineman withthe hopes that they could start sooner rather than later for the past 15 years. And lets not pretend the guys we have drafted were players that every one thought would fail.

Moses was ranked as one of the top ten OT prospects last year, every one though Long was a very solid pickup last year as well. We are talking the diffence between the 5th and the 8th pick here as far as Scherff is concerned.

You really think 3 or hell even five spots makes up SO much value that we drop 1-3 rounds in talent level because hey most people think he isnt worth a top five pick??

i would say no we havent . we have picked o/lineman as after thoughts in rounds 5-7 and hoped we get one that sticks . we did draft moses and long in round 3 but with a suspect talent guy making the call

making better selections at those positions could help

 

[Sharkinva]

i would say no we havent . we have picked o/lineman as after thoughts in rounds 5-7 and hoped we get one that sticks . we did draft moses and long in round 3 but with a suspect talent guy making the call

making better selections at those positions could help

Moses, Long, Leribius, all picked in the 3rd and rather recently. But you kind of make my point for me.. we have systematically ignored the line for so long that we almost have to invest high and heavy to fix it because even the 3rd rounders we have used over the past few years barely rate as backups when we are in fact in need of at least two starters AND at least 1-2 solid backups along the line which we DONT currently have.

Even if we burnt the 1 and 2 on O line and only one of those two turned out to be a day one starter and the other an actually Solid backup.. we are still alot further ahead than we were for the past three years or more.

 

[skinsdad62]

Moses, Long, Leribius, all picked in the 3rd and rather recently. But you kind of make my point for me.. we have systematically ignored the line for so long that we almost have to invest high and heavy to fix it because even the 3rd rounders we have used over the past few years barely rate as backups when we are in fact in need of at least two starters AND at least 1-2 solid backups along the line which we DONT currently have.

Even if we burnt the 1 and 2 on O line and only one of those two turned out to be a day one starter and the other an actually Solid backup.. we are still alot further ahead than we were for the past three years or more.

who picked them ? ribeye and long were considered huge reaches at the spots they were drafted . make better picks and the results should be better

 

[Stymietee]

VT, that is not the scenario that sty laid out. In his scenario, Cooper, the WR, was rated way higher than the next player on the board. Your scenario puts the WR and the next player (OL) much closer. In your scenario, I might very well take the OL player.

The point remains the same....do you take BPA, or go for need. Remember we are talking about Washington here and not any other team in the league. That too was part of the question.

 

[Stymietee]

Moses, Long, Leribius, all picked in the 3rd and rather recently. But you kind of make my point for me.. we have systematically ignored the line for so long that we almost have to invest high and heavy to fix it because even the 3rd rounders we have used over the past few years barely rate as backups when we are in fact in need of at least two starters AND at least 1-2 solid backups along the line which we DONT currently have.

Even if we burnt the 1 and 2 on O line and only one of those two turned out to be a day one starter and the other an actually Solid backup.. we are still alot further ahead than we were for the past three years or more.

This is also why I asked the question, Remember I specifically used Washington as the team in question because the needs of this team IMHO, outweigh the desire for BPA on their board unless they are one and the same. I just don't see them having an OL as BPA at 5.

 

[j_y19]

The point remains the same....do you take BPA, or go for need. Remember we are talking about Washington here and not any other team in the league. That too was part of the question.

Well, it depends. In your scenario, I go BPA as any player that would fill a need would be too much of a reach. In VTs scenario, if there is only a few slots difference, I would probably go with the player that fills a need given they are ranked very close to my BPA at the top of my board.

 

[deanpet21]

If we take Fowler, Cooper, or Beasley over Scherff then BPA trumped need. If we take Scherff over Fowler, Cooper, or Beasely then need trumped BPA. Simple as that guys.