I had no idea the WS was going on

[NinerSickness]

That's not the argument. Yes, they'd be useless in the diamond. Baseball players would be useless on the pitch. The original argument is that soccer requires more raw and physical talent than Baseball.

Well "raw physical skill" is ambiguous. Does that include upper body strength & core strength? Because it takes no upper body / core strength to play soccer (relative to other sports like baseball, football & basketball).

 

[clyde_carbon]

Trout would look like a fool, no doubt, playing against professional players but nothing compared to what Messi would look like facing Verlander or Kershaw. He'd probably run away and hide or flop at the first piece of chin music that came his way. But to say that Trout wouldn't even touch the ball is crazy.

Yes, Messi would never hit a ball off of Verlander or Kershaw. Just like Trout would NEVER be able to take the ball away from Messi, nor would he be able to get around defenders like Alves and Ramos. He'd never be able to cleanly field/trap a long ball from Iniesta, he'd never be able to deliver a strong, accurate cross to Ibrahimovic, he doesn't have to stop-go, quick-twitch movement skills, he can't dribble to save his life, hell, he wouldn't even be able to perform the simplest requirement - to keep moving for 45 minutes straight.

Come the fuck on.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Well "raw physical skill" is ambiguous. Does that include upper body strength & core strength? Because it takes no upper body / core strength to play soccer.

Lol, you think it takes no upper body or core strength to play Soccer? Good luck taking the ball away from an Ibrahimovic or Drogba if you have a week upper body. Good luck winning a header off of a set-piece in the box if you can't jump and don't have much core strength. Hell, do you realize how much core strength (aside from leg strength) it takes to properly kick a soccer ball? What about throw-ins? You don't think they require upper body strength?

 

[TobyTyler]

Yes, Messi would never hit a ball off of Verlander or Kershaw. Just like Trout would NEVER be able to take the ball away from Messi, nor would he be able to get around defenders like Alves and Ramos. He'd never be able to cleanly field/trap a long ball from Iniesta, he'd never be able to deliver a strong, accurate cross to Ibrahimovic, he doesn't have to stop-go, quick-twitch movement skills, he can't dribble to save his life, hell, he wouldn't even be able to perform the simplest requirement - to keep moving for 45 minutes straight.

Come the fuck on.

He'd be more effective at soccer than Messi would be at baseball. He's an athlete and a ridiculously skilled one at that. Messi would quit the first time a fastball came near his head I guarantee it. So you come the fuck on.

 

[NinerSickness]

Lol, you think it takes no upper body or core strength to play Soccer? Good luck taking the ball away from an Ibrahimovic or Drogba if you have a week upper body. Good luck winning a head off of a set-piece in the box if you can't job and don't have much core strength. Hell, do you realize how much core strength (aside from leg strength) it takes to properly kick a soccer ball?

Compared to hitting a fast ball 400 feet, boxing out a center or tackling a RB? Very little. Or being an MMA fighter for that matter. It's all relative.

 

[spacedoodoopistol]

There are no Pablo Sandovals in any other sport. There are no John Kruks. No Bengie Molinas or Billy Butlers or Adam Dunns (at least since he gained 60 lbs). These guys are all poor athletes with highly developed baseball skills. Lots of baseball players are in good shape, and plenty of them aren't, because you just don't have to be a great athlete to play anything outside of maybe shortstop or centerfield. Being a better athlete, stronger and faster can make you a better player, but its far from the most important factor involved.

The reason the MLB draft is less predictable than the rest of the sports is that virtually every player needs to spend years developing his skills before he's good enough to play in the majors, and some of them don't do it, while other guys develop these skills and come out of nowhere to become good players.

Skill is important in every sport when it comes to playing at the highest level - we see a great example with Okoye who is a top athlete but needs to learn how to play the game. But nobody picks up baseball at 20 and has any chance of the big leagues. Catching a plain old fly ball is very difficult if you've never played. The entire sport is based on technique and skill, more like golf than football or basketball or soccer.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Give me ONE Baseball player than can even THINK about defending Ibrahimovic:

 

[spacedoodoopistol]

Aside from that, always a bit comical to see people who obviously never watch the sport making all these claims. The misconceptions are glaring and a bit goofy.

 

[spacedoodoopistol]

Ibrahimovic is absolutely insane these days. I posted a few videos of some of his best goals in the soccer forum, just a helluva entertaining player and right now totally unstoppable. Got a full-house standing ovation as a visiting player in the Champions League game last week.

 

[NinerSickness]

There are no Pablo Sandovals in any other sport. There are no John Kruks. No Bengie Molinas or Billy Butlers or Adam Dunns (at least since he gained 60 lbs). These guys are all poor athletes with highly developed baseball skills.

Wrong. All the "baseball skills" in the world won't help you hit like those guys if you don't have great bat speed & strength. They don't need to work on stamina like soccer players do, so they don't for the most part.

 

[spacedoodoopistol]

All the "baseball skills" in the world won't help you hit like those guys if you don't have great bat speed & strength.

Strength is new to baseball, until 15 years ago there wasn't much weight training going on. Check out Will Clark when he was one of the best hitters in the league - the guy probably never lifted a weight. A zillion examples of players who have quick wrists and can square the ball up without being very strong.

 

[Kinzu]

Give me ONE Baseball player than can even THINK about defending Ibrahimovic:

Give me 1 Soccer player than can even think of defending Lebron James or making a tackle on Adrian Peterson in the open field. I'd be impressed if you could find a Soccer player that could throw a 95mph fastball or hit one. The point is there is a reason you don't see many cross sport athlete's and guys like Bo Jackson were so special. The skill set needed for each sport is very different and to play them professionally you have to be in the top 1%. You just don't find athlete's that are in the top 1% in multiple sports.

 

[clyde_carbon]

He'd be more effective at soccer than Messi would be at baseball. He's an athlete and a ridiculously skilled one at that. Messi would quit the first time a fastball came near his head I guarantee it. So you come the fuck on.

What position can Mike Trout play, exactly, without looking like a complete buffon? CF? SS? LMF? LW? CMF? FB? GK? Yeah, Okay.

Put Messi mid out field in a Baseball game, and you'll MAYBE hear his name called 3 or 4 times.

 

[clyde_carbon]

There are no Pablo Sandovals in any other sport. There are no John Kruks. No Bengie Molinas or Billy Butlers or Adam Dunns (at least since he gained 60 lbs). These guys are all poor athletes with highly developed baseball skills. Lots of baseball players are in good shape, and plenty of them aren't, because you just don't have to be a great athlete to play anything outside of maybe shortstop or centerfield. Being a better athlete, stronger and faster can make you a better player, but its far from the most important factor involved.

The reason the MLB draft is less predictable than the rest of the sports is that virtually every player needs to spend years developing his skills before he's good enough to play in the majors, and some of them don't do it, while other guys develop these skills and come out of nowhere to become good players.

Skill is important in every sport when it comes to playing at the highest level - we see a great example with Okoye who is a top athlete but needs to learn how to play the game. But nobody picks up baseball at 20 and has any chance of the big leagues. Catching a plain old fly ball is very difficult if you've never played. The entire sport is based on technique and skill, more like golf than football or basketball or soccer.

Brilliantly put. You can find poor athletes in Baseball, you'll never find a poor athlete in Soccer, Football, or Basketball.

 

[TobyTyler]

What position can Mike Trout play, exactly, without looking like a complete buffon? CF? SS? LMF? LW? CMF? FB? GK? Yeah, Okay.

Put Messi mid out field in a Baseball game, and you'll MAYBE hear his name called 3 or 4 times.

FB. Trout'ss got the size and the speed for it and can be protected and be allowed to cover less ground.

And Messi's name would not be called out 3 or 4 times in a game because he'd be running for the hills after the first fastball whistled by up under his chin.

 

[Sportsguy9695]

I dont know how if your a sports fan in general you dont know the world series is going on. hell i know when the stanley cup finals are happening and i dont watch hockey

 

[TobyTyler]

I dont know how if your a sports fan in general you dont know the world series is going on. hell i know when the stanley cup finals are happening and i dont watch hockey

Clyde knows when its played. He's bored today so he is trolling.

 

[crash]

i haven't watched baseball for a long time...

 

[CaptO]

uhhh...yeah, stick a fork in Baseball, it's dead.

Your loss!

 

[clyde_carbon]

FB. Trout'ss got the size and the speed for it and can be protected and be allowed to cover less ground.

And Messi's name would not be called out 3 or 4 times in a game because he'd be running for the hills after the first fastball whistled by up under his chin.

Size/speed means nothing in Soccer if you don't have enough coordination and skill to control the ball. It takes much more coordination to control a ball with you legs/feet than it does with your arm/hands, and this coming from a guy who played Football, Basketball, AND Soccer all the way through Senior year HS.