I didn't know you get respect from losing the super bowl.

[Manster7588]

Only 2 of the top 10 and 5 of the top 25 are presently players in the NFL eh.

#14 is sure to rile at least one fan base.
#1 will rile a whole hell of a lot of fans.

 

[Breed]

#14 is sure to rile at least one fan base.
#1 will rile a whole hell of a lot of fans.

I can't call it far as what will calm people down who get riled up at #14. Far as calming peeps down when it comes to who's #1. This should do nicely for some.

This has very little to do with football results, given the Cowboys haven’t won a Super Bowl in more than 20 years and, well, multiple general managers would have been fired during that span if not for the fact that Jones serves as his own GM.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

It's not easy getting back to the Super-Bowl.... It's NEVER easy .... Chemistry is a fine line, and losing 1 player can affect so much....

 

[Manster7588]

I can't call it far as what will calm people down who get riled up at #14. Far as calming peeps down when it comes to who's #1. This should do nicely for some.

In all honesty #1 will even rile up a few Cowboy fans.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

It's not easy getting back to the Super-Bowl.... It's NEVER easy .... Chemistry is a fine line, and losing 1 player can affect so much....

Absolutely. I'll maybe be accused of a hater for this- but losing a guy like Malik Jackson who won 1 on 1's at such a prolific rate caused havoc in the backfield plenty, and when he wasn't he was creating sacks and pressures for everyone else on the line. He's easily better than Mike Daniels amongst 3-4 ends, imo. Denver still has Wolfe, but Jackson (especially last year with the snaps he played) is a bit underrated by most, imo. Similar story with Trevathan even if Marshall is better- it doesn't mean Tevathan wasn't a very good ILB himself.

In the baseball context- I am a bit amazed the Royals made two straight World Series- that's absurdly difficult to think about from just sheer probabilities.

 

[Breed]

In all honesty #1 will even rile up a few Cowboy fans.

Yeah, no doubt. Ol' Jerrah's a lightning rod. There's no denying the impact he's had on the NFL in recent times though.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Absolutely. I'll maybe be accused of a hater for this- but losing a guy like Malik Jackson who won 1 on 1's at such a prolific rate caused havoc in the backfield plenty, and when he wasn't he was creating sacks and pressures for everyone else on the line. He's easily better than Mike Daniels amongst 3-4 ends, imo. Denver still has Wolfe, but Jackson (especially last year with the snaps he played) is a bit underrated by most, imo. Similar story with Trevathan even if Marshall is better- it doesn't mean Tevathan wasn't a very good ILB himself.

In the baseball context- I am a bit amazed the Royals made two straight World Series- that's absurdly difficult to think about from just sheer probabilities.

Yeah that was impressive by the Royals .... Just showed what a talented group they are...

 

[Manster7588]

Yeah, no doubt. Ol' Jerrah's a lightning rod. There's no denying the impact he's had on the NFL in recent times though.

He definitely changed the way teams operate financially.

 

[Stomp]

'Top 100 Players of 2016': No. 1 Cam Newton

 

[cdumler7]

Absolutely. I'll maybe be accused of a hater for this- but losing a guy like Malik Jackson who won 1 on 1's at such a prolific rate caused havoc in the backfield plenty, and when he wasn't he was creating sacks and pressures for everyone else on the line. He's easily better than Mike Daniels amongst 3-4 ends, imo. Denver still has Wolfe, but Jackson (especially last year with the snaps he played) is a bit underrated by most, imo. Similar story with Trevathan even if Marshall is better- it doesn't mean Tevathan wasn't a very good ILB himself.

In the baseball context- I am a bit amazed the Royals made two straight World Series- that's absurdly difficult to think about from just sheer probabilities.

I agree those players meant a lot to this defense. And maybe the Broncos do take a step back with those losses. Time will tell. The issue at hand though is can the Broncos overall be a better team even if they takea step back on the defensive side of the ball? Can the offense improve over the atrocity that they put on the field last year? That is where the Broncos are hoping to make up for some of that loss is not just by the guys who replace those two players but by having an overall more balanced team where the offense isn't fully depending on the defense to win every single game.

 

[Clayton]

'Top 100 Players of 2016': No. 1 Cam Newton

Hard for me to take any list seriously that has Cam at #1 and Von Miller, Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald outside of the top 10.

The Panthers are a great team, though. Cam is a big reason but more of a top 15 player imo.

 

[Oldschool739]

He definitely changed the way teams operate financially.

JJ is fun to watch, Al Davis lives on...Just Win Baby !!

 

[Breed]

Hard for me to take any list seriously that has Cam at #1 and Von Miller, Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald outside of the top 10.

The Panthers are a great team, though. Cam is a big reason but more of a top 15 player imo.

It, the rankings, were done during the reg season before the playoffs and its just for last year. With the Panthers going 15-1 and the way he played. I thought it would be Cam. One good, great, or even special season is no biggie though. Can he maintain it is the big question. The Panthers better find another short yardage runner though imo,

 

[SonnyCID]

Hard for me to take any list seriously that has Cam at #1 and Von Miller, Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald outside of the top 10.

The Panthers are a great team, though. Cam is a big reason but more of a top 15 player imo.

It has Newton at #1 based on last year. But Rodgers' ranking is obviously based on previous years. If we're just talking 2015, he shouldn't be in the top 20.

 

[Clayton]

It has Newton at #1 based on last year. But Rodgers' ranking is obviously based on previous years. If we're just talking 2015, he shouldn't be in the top 20.

Rodgers? Yeah, he had a down year but I wasn't stumping for him. I do think Rodgers is still one of the expected top players in 2017 even if his surrounding talent is somewhat lacking.

 

[SonnyCID]

Rodgers? Yeah, he had a down year but I wasn't stumping for him. I do think Rodgers is still one of the expected top players in 2017 even if his surrounding talent is somewhat lacking.

I agree that he's as close to a lock for a top 5 ranking in 17 anyone in the league. They just move the goalposts too much for my liking - sometimes it's based solely on the previous year, and sometimes it's based solely on seasons before.

 

[cdumler7]

It has Newton at #1 based on last year. But Rodgers' ranking is obviously based on previous years. If we're just talking 2015, he shouldn't be in the top 20.

Well the players are supposed to be voting on their expectations for next year not what they did in the previous season. We are all slaves to the moment though so makes sense to put Cam at #1. Me personally until we see a ridiculous fall off from Rodgers I would still put him #1. I mean even a down year by his standards is one many QB's in the league would kill for. I would look for him to have a bit of a bounce back year and be among the top-3 QB's once again.

 

[cdumler7]

Hard for me to take any list seriously that has Cam at #1 and Von Miller, Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald outside of the top 10.

The Panthers are a great team, though. Cam is a big reason but more of a top 15 player imo.

Honestly I don't like how they do these lists. From what I understand the players are only asked to give their top-20 players in the league and then a scoring system is set up to figure out who goes from there. Throw in with all of this being done I think either right at the end of the regular season or early on in the playoffs it takes away from players being able to see the entirety of what some of these players do in the biggest moments. I'm guessing if they waited until after the playoffs Von Miller gets voted in top-5 pretty easily just because of the lasting image of what he did in the playoffs. Regular season though numbers wise he just didn't put up the biggest numbers of his career.

Still like you said the list is just as flawed as any out there. To me it does become a lot like the Pro Bowl voting of it being more of a popularity contest. Yes the players are a bit more informed but still some of these names and the fact that somebody put them on their top-20 list is just puzzling.

 

[redseat]

Have there been posts that I haven't seen lately? I don't get where this thread is going

 

[realityball]

Have there been posts that I haven't seen lately? I don't get where this thread is going

Stop it red ... you know the routine

It starts with a flashinthepan and how he deserves it or not and then chatter about the rankings and then "oh look Brady's no 2" but we all know Rodgers is better than Brady now that Peyton is gone ...

and then finally we get to go to the clincher ... "Brady's a cheater." blah blah blah blah etc. ... and then the season starts ... and the Patriots are surprisingly the team to beat ...







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