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Howard tosses gas onto the fire at the Grill: OAK @ TEX 7/11-13

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Guess I feel we have sunk pretty low. Have to put alot of the sloppiness of the defense on Mgr and the constant excuses for the players lack of performance is mind blowing

FWIW Wash would NEVER play Duggar this much. He would be on the pine 24/7

But yes Ha I notice your backhanded Wash compliment
Totally agree and apparently tne minors are failing too. Some of the slop we are seeing should not be happening. Duggar Otto Lowe etc are killing up over high school fundamentals.
 

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Guess I feel we have sunk pretty low. Have to put alot of the sloppiness of the defense on Mgr and the constant excuses for the players lack of performance is mind blowing

FWIW Wash would NEVER play Duggar this much. He would be on the pine 24/7

But yes Ha I notice your backhanded Wash compliment
He would play someone with Dugger's same production if the guy had once been a good player and was on the downhill slide.

Conversely, he would not play a young guy like Dugger in place of a veteran even if Dugger had just hit .400 in AAA.
 

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I think for what it is worth, the FO has a lot to be thinking about. Woody is making bad decisions as noted by playing Duggar as well as others and it is costing us wins. It is up to FO to do something because I really doubt Woody knows what to do to make this team better
 

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Re Huff: He was brought up due to Heim being ill. I was critical of him last night when I should not have been. Obviously he had not gotten anything worked out in AAA but due to Heim being ill, it became necessary to call him up.
 

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I think for what it is worth, the FO has a lot to be thinking about. Woody is making bad decisions as noted by playing Duggar as well as others and it is costing us wins. It is up to FO to do something because I really doubt Woody knows what to do to make this team better

the FO are the ones who put Duggar on the team. Why would they punish Woody for playing him?
 

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the FO are the ones who put Duggar on the team. Why would they punish Woody for playing him?
Woody did not need to. Miller was a better choice.
 

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Woody did not need to. Miller was a better choice.

if playing guys like Duggar is a fireable offense, then the FO shouldn't be filling the roster with guys like Duggar.

Woody can't play the same 9 guys day in and day out. it's not on him when his backups he's given are complete shit.

also not on him when his batters can't get a guy home from third with a simple sac fly to end a game.
 

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if playing guys like Duggar is a fireable offense, then the FO shouldn't be filling the roster with guys like Duggar.

Woody can't play the same 9 guys day in and day out.
If you want to defend Woody then OK. Duggar could be sent down and Duran could be brought up.
 

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If you want to defend Woody then OK. Duggar could be sent down and Duran could be brought up.

not really defending Woody. just not understanding the idea that the FO should fire him for choosing to play shitty players. he's gotta play the players he's given, and the FO is definitely giving him some shitty players.
 

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Allard is another example. At a certain point, if he's on the staff, Woody will have to run him out there, and not always with the luxury of a 7 run lead.

The FO is who put together a team where Allard is the best available option to be the last guy in the bullpen (and where we have starters that require heavy bullpen usage).

I can't really get behind Woody being fired when he's being handed guys like Allard, Duggar, etc. As long as there isn't a clubhouse revolt, Woody's job is pretty much safe (especially with them still being in the WC mix).
 

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if playing guys like Duggar is a fireable offense, then the FO shouldn't be filling the roster with guys like Duggar.

Woody can't play the same 9 guys day in and day out. it's not on him when his backups he's given are complete shit.

also not on him when his batters can't get a guy home from third with a simple sac fly to end a game.
do i understand that the thinking on this subject is that the FO should fire Woody for playing someone that the FO signed or brought in
 

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Woody did not need to. Miller was a better choice.
he is making sure that everybody on the roster is getting playing time unfortunately some of them shouldn't be on the roster much less play but he has to play them at some point.
 

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and woody would have to get the FO to approve the send-down and who is brought up
He could have used Miller that late in the game knowing Duggar was not hitting well. I don't think he should be fired for playing players FO sent up but in my opinion he makes decisions that have cost us all season.
 

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He could have used Miller that late in the game knowing Duggar was not hitting well. I don't think he should be fired for playing players FO sent up but in my opinion he makes decisions that have cost us all season.
wasn't Miller already on the playing lineup and had been replaced by Culberson
 

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he is making sure that everybody on the roster is getting playing time unfortunately some of them shouldn't be on the roster much less play but he has to play them at some point.
Exactly. He played Duggar but could have pulled him late and used Miller or even Viloria to PH based on the fact that Duggar has floundered since coming up.
 

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Exactly. He played Duggar but could have pulled him late and used Miller or even Viloria to PH based on the fact that Duggar has floundered since coming up.
Miller was the DH last night until Culberson replaced him
 

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wasn't Miller already on the playing lineup and had been replaced by Culberson
Don't know bc I lost tv for an hour. If he did then it made since. But we still had Viloria.
 

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Don't know bc I lost tv for an hour. If he did then it made since. But we still had Viloria.
and Heim was ill and couldn't play so Viloria was the only catcher left and was needed incase they had to replace Huff, who also was sucking at the plate
 

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Where is the update on Jonah? Is this a Covid related illness or some other reason he was away from the team and unavaiabe last night?
 
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