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lasgop;

imo Nash was great when he could play- he missed so many games!

They are not Amnestying Kobe. chill out.

Those are two great guards! World class! Let them have a training camp together!

The team will address back-court needs. Why all the agitation now?

Hey Thumper i respect your opinion but Nash was far from great this season, He was a turnover machine didnt make the passes to open men in a timely manner and great is certainly not a word i would use for nash at this point in his career. Kobe is stil great and is still the franchise face of this organization but when i think about amnestying kobe it's for a lot of cap relief in order for us to get several players because we are far from a championship team at this moment but if they dont amnesty kobe im fine with that as i love kobe since the day he started. 5 rings!
 

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Just went straight to resurfacing BRS' thread and didn't notice that this had already been brought up recently. Basically, where I'm at now is the Lakers MUST continue to live by the standard that they have set over the years.....and that is to keep the young star by ANY means necassary. I wasn't around for it, but Jerry Buss ditched Paul Westhead for Magic who wanted Westhead gone because of his system, and he kept Kobe throughout well, everything. Jim Buss has to swallow his pride(much like his dad did with Kobe), and keep Dwight no matter what. If that's bringing back Phil, then do it, because if Dwight walks, we will have 2 chances for our future...slim and none, and slim will "walk out of the building" to the Rockets.

I disagree. If Dwight does not re-sign, the Lakers can go with the following starting lineup:

C: Pau
PF: Hill
SF: MWP
SG: Kobe
PG: Nash

That would be the likely starting lineup. Can they win a title with that lineup? No, but it wouldn't be a lottery team either.

Then, after next season, the Lakers say good-bye to Pau, Kobe and MWP freeing up approximately $57 million in salary just off of those 3 contracts and re-build through free agency for the 2014-15 season!!

My preference, of course, would be to re-sign Dwight and build around him. However, if Dwight chooses to leave, it won't be the end of the world.

For what it's worth, Steve Nash said on Jay Mohr yesterday that Dwight will be back!!
 

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Hey BSR, Kold, lasgop8, Trojanfan12: I can sense all of your frustration and it is understandable. It is obvious to alot of people including many of the fans that Don'tknowi is clueless on how to manage all of the talent and egos he had and has on the team. But according to Mitch, Don'tknowi is there guy.

In the interim, Dwight is begining to make overtones and voice his displeasure of Don'tknowi or at least leak what he felt of the guy most of the season. I think the rift is definitely there and it is not going away. The Westfall analogy is appropriate here. What Short Buss does with it remains to be seen. If history tells us anything, Shortie will take the easy way out and do nothing and in all likelihood, D12 will bolt.

We will know in the next couple of weeks as the draft approaches and the signing for FAs period begins in July. One thing for sure, those of us who are lifelong fans will be hangin' around like myself. I was there back in '75-'76 when we went through a horrific couple of seasons so I'll be sticking around for this one as well.

I believe it will be a miserable couple of three years or so if nothing is done and that certainly looks like a reality.
 

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I believe it will be a miserable couple of three years or so if nothing is done and that certainly looks like a reality.


Miserable?
Miserable may be too strong of a word . Without D12 but a healthy rest of the team we would still have a playoff team.
 

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Amnesty Kobe? I really don't know a lot about what happens in amnesty, so I may be wrong here but let us look at some facts. Thumper and I got into it because I wanted Jennie and Phil and he wanted Jim and DA. Well in the end unless something changes and probably won't, Jim will be the boss, keep DA and Mitch and most likely Howard will bolt to Houston (just my guess). If this happens and someone correct me if I am wrong, we should at that point amnesty Kobe for the next season and trade Pau for picks or a younger player or players. This as I know it would free up cap space, correct? Now we have no real picks now, maybe Pau gives you something, but with cap space could you not re-tool the whole team with younger talent to develope and then in 2014 lose a lot of contract problems? Kobe is not due back until well into the season anyway so let him sit on the bench as a so-called coach in waiting with a responsibility of developing the young players. Now I know this may have been already been brought up or I am completely out of touch with the amnesty thing, give me some facts either way to chew on guys.
 

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That would be the likely starting lineup. Can they win a title with that lineup? No, but it wouldn't be a lottery team either.

Then, after next season, the Lakers say good-bye to Pau, Kobe and MWP freeing up approximately $57 million in salary just off of those 3 contracts and re-build through free agency for the 2014-15 season!!


I most certainly agree that it'd be a more than decent starting lineup. The problem with 2014 imo is that we need a young star to attract one of these superstar Free agents.

If this happens and someone correct me if I am wrong, we should at that point amnesty Kobe for the next season and trade Pau for picks or a younger player or players. This as I know it would free up cap space, correct? Now we have no real picks now, maybe Pau gives you something, but with cap space could you not re-tool the whole team with younger talent to develope and then in 2014 lose a lot of contract problems?

If Dwight walks, we might as well just play out the season with what we have. With that said, I'm of the thinking that there's no way that Jim can be naive enough to not put this Phil hate aside and let Dwight walk. We shall see though...
 

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Kold: It is not looking good at this point because D12 is making it known that he is not happy with Don'tknowi and Short Buss is just stupid enough to do nothing. Dwight will then walk and we will just play out the 2013-2014 season and wait for the next round of expiring contracts.
 

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Yeah, I heard Colin Cowherd today too, Genah.

Lakers need some youth in the back-court.

but as he said- it's not a shipwreck!

A little infusion of youth at the guard position.

Because Stevie Nash & Kobe are here to stay- they won't get as banged up-

I don't listen to Colin Cowherd. I was ablet to figure it out just by watching them play for a few quarters. They looked very weak in the back court.
 

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I most certainly agree that it'd be a more than decent starting lineup. The problem with 2014 imo is that we need a young star to attract one of these superstar Free agents.

Actually, the Lakers wouldn't need a young star to attract superstar free agents. They would be signing a couple of those free agents, plus adding some solid role players. Essentially, it would be similar to what the Heat did to get Lebron and Bosh minus having D-Wade already on the team.

Los Angeles is a market that players WANT to play in and the Lakers are a team that is known to do what is necessary to win championships. This is an attractive combination for any free agent.

If Dwight walks, we might as well just play out the season with what we have. With that said, I'm of the thinking that there's no way that Jim can be naive enough to not put this Phil hate aside and let Dwight walk. We shall see though...

That's my point. If Dwight walks, the Lakers don't suddenly become the Cavaliers. The remaining team, if healthy, is probably a solid 5 or 6 seed in the playoffs. If they play their cards right, the Lakers could actually re-build similarly to the way that they did when Shaq left. The difference being that there is actually still enough talent to not have to worry about missing the playoffs and/or barely getting in as an 8 seed before they acquire the necessary players to return to championship status.
 

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Los Angeles Lakers Must Ditch Mike D'Antoni If It Means Keeping Dwight Howard | Bleacher Report



I know we are dealing with rumors from "sources" but it seems more and more like it will come down to D12 or D'Antoni. It will be real disappointing if this turns out to be the case and the front office goes with D'Antoni. Based on his play the second half of the season, I really feel like D12 will return to dominant Orlando form next season and once again be a top 5 player in the NBA. It is not easy to get a top 5 player.

If he doesn't resign, as TF12 mentioned, the Lakers will have practically nothing on the payroll for 2014/2015 (assuming no long term contracts signed this summer). I can even see Nash retiring and not playing out that third year. That would leave an empty roster with some pretty good players potentially being free agents. I would hate to see a wasted season next year, but that's what it would be if D12 doesn't resign. At least the Lakers have a 1st round pick in 2014!
 

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Forgot to add that the Clippers won't be resigning VDN because their superstar free agent PG doesn't like him. Is Sterling turning into Dr. Buss?
 

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Los Angeles Lakers Must Ditch Mike D'Antoni If It Means Keeping Dwight Howard | Bleacher Report



I know we are dealing with rumors from "sources" but it seems more and more like it will come down to D12 or D'Antoni. It will be real disappointing if this turns out to be the case and the front office goes with D'Antoni. Based on his play the second half of the season, I really feel like D12 will return to dominant Orlando form next season and once again be a top 5 player in the NBA. It is not easy to get a top 5 player.

If he doesn't resign, as TF12 mentioned, the Lakers will have practically nothing on the payroll for 2014/2015 (assuming no long term contracts signed this summer). I can even see Nash retiring and not playing out that third year. That would leave an empty roster with some pretty good players potentially being free agents. I would hate to see a wasted season next year, but that's what it would be if D12 doesn't resign. At least the Lakers have a 1st round pick in 2014!


Howard attempting to get yet another coach fired? Remember when he said he had nothing to do with Van Gundy getting axed?:lol:
I think D'Antoni sucks in general, but he isn't the reason Howard can't make FT's or stay out of foul trouble.

Howard is just one big soap opera and possibly not worth the aggravation.
 

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Los Angeles Lakers Must Ditch Mike D'Antoni If It Means Keeping Dwight Howard | Bleacher Report

If he doesn't resign, as TF12 mentioned, the Lakers will have practically nothing on the payroll for 2014/2015 (assuming no long term contracts signed this summer). I can even see Nash retiring and not playing out that third year. That would leave an empty roster with some pretty good players potentially being free agents. I would hate to see a wasted season next year, but that's what it would be if D12 doesn't resign. At least the Lakers have a 1st round pick in 2014!

This is why I'm not terribly worried about whether or not Dwight re-signs!! Basically, the best case and worst case scenarios don't add up to any significant time of the Lakers not being relevant.

Best case: The Lakers re-sign Dwight. The current roster stays healthy and we get to see what we were hoping to see this past season which is, what this roster can do with everyone healthy and on the same page from having a full training camp together. Then, after next season, when Kobe, Pau, et al come off the books, the Lakers re-build around Dwight.

Worst case: Dwight does not re-sign, the Lakers go with the current roster minus Dwight and end up as a 5 or 6 seed in next seasons playoffs. Then they go into next summers free agent market (which looks like it will be ridiculously stocked) with lots of cash to spend and a willingness to spend it.
 

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The problem is, who are we proposing to pair up? The prizes of the 2014 FA class are mostly SF's. All of the main PG's like Kyrie, Kemba, Rubio, Wall, and Lillard either have qualifying offers or team options and with them being so young, they are way more than likely to be retained. D-Wade is the only star SG IF he opts out, although he'll probably be broken down by then. As for SF's, Paul George has a qualifying offer, and then there's Granger, Rudy Gay, Melo, and Lebron. As for PF's, Zach Randolph has a player option, Garnett, Dirk, Amare, and Duncan won't exactly be spring chickens, and Anthony Davis has a team option. SO, from that who are we enticing a Lebron with? I don't think there's anybody there that would be an enticing enough and good enough fit for Lebron to bolt from Miami. Dwight Howard is a different story all together. It's enticing and a good enough fit.
 

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This is why I'm not terribly worried about whether or not Dwight re-signs!! Basically, the best case and worst case scenarios don't add up to any significant time of the Lakers not being relevant.

Best case: The Lakers re-sign Dwight. The current roster stays healthy and we get to see what we were hoping to see this past season which is, what this roster can do with everyone healthy and on the same page from having a full training camp together. Then, after next season, when Kobe, Pau, et al come off the books, the Lakers re-build around Dwight.

[[/HTML]Worst case: Dwight does not re-sign, the Lakers go with the current roster minus Dwight and end up as a 5 or 6 seed in next seasons playoffs. [/HTML]Then they go into next summers free agent market (which looks like it will be ridiculously stocked) with lots of cash to spend and a willingness to spend it.


How can you say that the Lakers are a given for a 5-6 WITHOUT Howard? Isn't this shaping up to be about the same roster that snuck into this years playoffs because of Kobe's herculean effort?

Factor in Kobe's injury and I would project the Lakers to be in about the position they were this year WITH Howard. Take him out of the mix and they become a probable lottery team.

Are the teams that finished above the Lakers this season going to be worse next season? Then factor in that both Dallas and Houston should be better. What if the T Wolves stay healthy?
 

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With no Dwight and Kobe coming off the achilles injury, I think it would be tough to get a 5 or 6 seed as well. The competition is tough out west.

Why do think Dallas will be better? All they basically have signed for next season is Dirk, Marion, and Carter. Dallas has a lot of holes in their roster to fill, so you have to consider them a major question mark regarding next season.
 

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With no Dwight and Kobe coming off the achilles injury, I think it would be tough to get a 5 or 6 seed as well. The competition is tough out west.

Why do think Dallas will be better? All they basically have signed for next season is Dirk, Marion, and Carter. Dallas has a lot of holes in their roster to fill, so you have to consider them a major question mark regarding next season.


I just figured that if Dallas has the $ to sign Howard, but then don't get him, then they would spend it elsewhere. You have to consider that Cuban isn't just going to let Dirk waste another year. Also, factor in that Dirk was hurt a big portion of last season but was still contending for a playoff spot until the Lakers beat them twice in those head to head games towards the end of the season.
 

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With no Dwight and Kobe coming off the achilles injury, I think it would be tough to get a 5 or 6 seed as well. The competition is tough out west.

Why do think Dallas will be better? All they basically have signed for next season is Dirk, Marion, and Carter. Dallas has a lot of holes in their roster to fill, so you have to consider them a major question mark regarding next season.

I'm assuming everyone is healthy for them to get a 5 or 6 seed!! Either way, it doesn't matter because for the Lakers it's either a championship or failure!! There's no middle ground.
 

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I'm assuming everyone is healthy for them to get a 5 or 6 seed!! Either way, it doesn't matter because for the Lakers it's either a championship or failure!! There's no middle ground.


Just a cliche' at this point. Once you get knocked down like the Lakers have the last couple seasons, you need to crawl before you walk. Don't try to tell me that Lakers fans wouldn't like to be playing now like the Grizzlies are, regardless of how this series ends.
 

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If Dwight wants to go to Houston or Dallas or wherever, let him go. I'd like for him to stay but if he is going to be miserable with Don'tknowi then we are going to, in all likelihood, see the same problems we have already watched a season of with D12 and Don'tknowi. And that is a covert rift going on that becomes a disjointing distraction and then there is little basketball being played being replaced by drama.

By about the third month of the season, everyone is pissed and aloof and then we get no D and no O and just a piss-poor brand of Laker basketball. With all of us wondering what the hell is going on.

If Dwight goes, keep everyone else and develop them. We have young players on the bench that need developing like Goudelock, Morris, Sacre, Ebanks, Clark, and Hill. If the year is going to be wasted anyway, use Kobe's mentoring skills and develop a good team with young talent we already have and let Don'tknowi do the work.
 
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