Hobs is setting the tone for the upcoming draft

[futballiscool]

Jackson was not recruited by Erickson. Brat was a bad OC (which is why he's gone downhill since he left the Bengals, a job he held far too long). Being an OSU alum didn't give Brat any help in evaluating RB talent (as it's obvious he couldn't see what most of the country could regarding Jackson and Perry). Brat's association with Erickson was never during any OSU time, nor any period where Steven Jackson's name ever would have come up. Brat didn't know how to use a pass-catching RB, so how could he recognize one? Erickson, at most, coached Jackson for only one or two seasons.

Brat didn't have an influence on draft decisions. Perry was 100% Marvin's choice. He said so himself.

I bolded the part of your post where we're on the same page. The rest of it's a little off

What do you mean when you say Erickson didn't recurit Jackson? He was the head coach. Is it semantics? Like it was actually the position coach who went to Steven Jackson's house and talked to his parents? I'm lost on that one.

The part about Brat not coaching with Erickson at OSU is irrelevant. He was his offensive coordinator in college and the pros for close to a decade. It's not like I reached on how they were both assistants on the same staff one season. That's a pretty close connection. I'm also not sure when you say his "name never would have come up," If the Bengals are scouting RBs and are strongly considering taking one in the first round Brat obviously has to make a call to Erickson and get an in depth scouting report. I can't imagine a better resource for scouting a college player than being able to contact their head coach and get a full, honest report on the players work ethic, practice habits, strengths, weaknesses etc.

About the idea that Erickson only coached Jackson "1 or 2 years at most." He was Jackson's coach for 2 of his 3 collegiate seasons. One of them being a 1700 yd rushing season.

 

[futballiscool]

We're on page 3 of a debate on the 04 draft. Great article by Hobs.. He knows how to stir the pot

 

[cincygrad]

Because we have not suffered enough, Hobs has given us a picture gallery of the 2008 and 2009 drafts. The 2008 draft was especially horrible.

Draft Gallery: 2008 & 2009 

 

[DanBengalfan]

message is, lower your expectations!

 

[cincygrad]

2010..... Draft Gallery: Class of 2010 

Landing Dunlap and Atkins was terrific..... And I still think Gresham was a good pick even though we are often criticized for not taking Dez Bryant. There was no telling how Dez would have turned out here, and I'm sure we wouldn't have taken AJ the next year if we did take him.

Some good comedy in this one too.... Who can forget the Roadgrader Otis Hudson? Or how butthurt all our fans were when we lost Daz Brisoce to Tampa?

 

[futballiscool]

Everyone in the league knew Bryant was an elite talent and he fell to the bottom of the 1st rd. I don't blame the Bengals for passing on him at all. They had just lost 5 years of their franchise in large part to character risk draft picks. They can roll the dice on a player now but that wasn't the time.
Gresham seem to have prototype TE talent but he just never put it together for some reason. Not a bust by any means, but pretty average for a 1st rd pick

 

[cincygrad]

Everyone in the league knew Bryant was an elite talent and he fell to the bottom of the 1st rd. I don't blame the Bengals for passing on him at all. They had just lost 5 years of their franchise in large part to character risk draft picks. They can roll the dice on a player now but that wasn't the time.
Gresham seem to have prototype TE talent but he just never put it together for some reason. Not a bust by any means, but pretty average for a 1st rd pick

I agree. As frustrating as Gresham was a player, he was hardly a bust. He was an underrated blocker and Andy relied on him a little in his first couple of years. He was just frustrating because he seemed like he should be extraordinary given his size and athletic potential.

 

[cincygrad]

Jordan Shipley was a guy we were all excited about.... He flamed out rather quickly.

 

[alf8478]

To be fair, he did blow out his knee

 

[Be Weary of Query]

And had his brain bounced around his skull by T.J. Ward

 

[Cincyfan78]

Gresham never could handle the mental aspect of the game. His physical talent was clear as day, but his mental inability to process the game killed any hope of him being a top tier TE in the league.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Gresham never could handle the mental aspect of the game. His physical talent was clear as day, but his mental inability to process the game killed any hope of him being a top tier TE in the league.

he's a freaking pro bowler

officially

because he was in the pro bowl

that's as top tier as it gets without being in the hall of fame.

but... ok, yea, he still sucks.

 

[Kingspoint]

I agree. As frustrating as Gresham was a player, he was hardly a bust. He was an underrated blocker and Andy relied on him a little in his first couple of years. He was just frustrating because he seemed like he should be extraordinary given his size and athletic potential.

I hated how he was used by Hue in 2014. Gresham's average route run before he turned and caught the ball was 2-1/2 yards. That's not even a route. It contributed to him leading all Receivers in catch rate with only one drop. His YAC added a few more yards. But, he could have run deeper routes, and instead we had Sanu running them with a 20% drop rate (14 drops on 70 "catchable" passes, which was the worst ratio in the league). These are just two of the reasons why I'm looking forward to a new OC. Hue did well at times. He correctly utilized Dalton's best asset...throwing the 15-20yd seam route. Dalton is accurate and has great velocity on that pass. It's unstoppable under single coverage. The Safety isn't going to cheat away from Green. If he does, Dalton can throw it to Green and see what happens. Green gives up a few int's by not fighting sometimes on a ball, but usually, good things happen. Green will also drop 6-7 passes a year, but that's OK (which is why I like to see him targeted deep on early downs.)

 

[Cincyfan78]

Gresham just didn't have the mental capacity to be the top tier talent that he displayed physically. Too bad.

 

[DanBengalfan]

lower them there expectations.

 

[DanBengalfan]

even lower

 

[DanBengalfan]

now... lower

 

[DanBengalfan]

lower still...

 

[DanBengalfan]

ok, we're just about right. we should probably lower them juuuust a bit to stay on the safe side.