Hobs is setting the tone for the upcoming draft

[cincygrad]

Draft Gallery: 2004 & 2005 

WTF?

What is the point of this? A draft gallery of two awful drafts that totally killed any momentum that we had begun to gain after hiring Lewis. If you want to know where the awful 2007 and 2008 seasons came from, look no further than this thread.

Is Hobs trying to lower our standards before the draft?

 

[kramer1]

Fuckin Hobs....

 

[Kingspoint]

He just ran out of things to write about. Look at the other articles around it.

 

[DanBengalfan]

so basically Hobs is sending us the message "Don't bother watching the draft if your a Bengals fan."

 

[cincygrad]

He just ran out of things to write about. Look at the other articles around it.

Hobs has never run out of something to write about..... He's got at least 10 offseason puff pieces about our shitty center making good waiting to hit the net. Or 3000 words about why Brandon Tate is this season's secret weapon.

The 04/05 photo gallery was straight trolling.... I think he was just trying to see if anyone was still paying attention.

 

[ckhokie]

LOL.

Bengals beat writing is just so fitting with our franchise and how it's run.

 

[Kingspoint]

I know I'm in the minority (an advantage to not living in the tri-county area and seeing up close Bengals writers), but I really like Hobs and find him well in touch with the team's strengths and weaknesses, while willing to state the weaknesses in a matter-of-fact kind of way, a risk that could offend those mentioned and the coaches. I don't find him rah-rah and it's nice that on the team's website I can exxpect to find correct information from him. Like all good journalists, he improves as the years go on. He is a completely different writer than ten years ago.

I used to exchange emails with Tim Sullivan when he was in Cincy, and he'd give me some insight that he never wrote about. I never have tried Hobs, but looking from his weekly mailbag, he is very considerate and complete in his answers to people's questions.

 

[Kingspoint]

btw, that draft with Chris Perry was as bad as it can get. It proved difinitively that the scouting department needed to be expanded and that the Coaches needed to concentrate on coaching. Don't know what forum most of you were on, but the one I was on had a majority of us screaming for Steven Jackson, the poor soul who could never get on a winning team. The 2nd option was Vince Wilfork. These were two "no-brainer" picks at the time. But, we get the brilliant response from Marvin that Perry was the #1 RB on their board because of his catching ability. Never mind that we had Brat who struggled getting RB's into passing routes, and with a little scouting they would know that Mike Riley had S-Jax prepared in a pro-style Offense. Wilfork would have plugged the 1-technique spot for 12 years. Two players who would have been in the Bengals' HOF, and possibly beyond. S-Jax might have picked up Kimo and Carson never would have gotten his knee twisted.

 

[cincygrad]

I know I'm in the minority (an advantage to not living in the tri-county area and seeing up close Bengals writers), but I really like Hobs and find him well in touch with the team's strengths and weaknesses, while willing to state the weaknesses in a matter-of-fact kind of way, a risk that could offend those mentioned and the coaches. I don't find him rah-rah and it's nice that on the team's website I can exxpect to find correct information from him. Like all good journalists, he improves as the years go on. He is a completely different writer than ten years ago.

I used to exchange emails with Tim Sullivan when he was in Cincy, and he'd give me some insight that he never wrote about. I never have tried Hobs, but looking from his weekly mailbag, he is very considerate and complete in his answers to people's questions.

Hobs is a terrific writer.... He's been polishing turds for over two decades. It takes special talent to write positively about some of the shitty teams he's covered.

That said, he never, never, never discusses the weaknesses with this franchise. He is a Bengal employee and he behaves like one.

If you want an honest assessment from a local writer, you need to get it from Paul Daugherty. He's fair.... Not always a downer, but definitely not a homer.

 

[Be Weary of Query]

What a shitty stroll down Might Have Been Street and Never Was Boulevard.

 

[ckhokie]

btw, that draft with Chris Perry was as bad as it can get. It proved difinitively that the scouting department needed to be expanded and that the Coaches needed to concentrate on coaching.

The scouting dept only watched Ohio State and saw Perry play will against Ohio State.

I have to think the one scout that wasn't asleep during Pac-10 (back in the day) games must have left or something. How in the world do we take 2 WRs from Oregon St. and then pass on Steven Jackson? That whole situation of the 2004 draft still pisses me off to this day.

 

[cincygrad]

I really hate defending the Bengals here, but just to be devil's advocate....

No doubt that Jackson was the better back.... But the Bengals really needed to upgrade their secondary and moving down a few picks and snagging Deltha O'Neal was a good move at the time. It paid off too, as O'Neal was an important part of the defense during the 2005 year where we basically lived off turnovers.

Perry had an unfortunate career and it makes people underrate what he did in college. He was an absolute workhorse on that 2003 Michigan team. The dude ran the ball over 330 times that season including 50+ in one game. Lloyd Carr ran the tread right off his tires. In retrospect, it's not surprising he got hurt his rookie year - Same thing happens when you overuse a back in the NFL.

I think they also valued Perry in the passing game and figured Rudi would still get most of the first and second down carries.

 

[Be Weary of Query]

I really hate defending the Bengals here, but just to be devil's advocate....

No doubt that Jackson was the better back.... But the Bengals really needed to upgrade their secondary and moving down a few picks and snagging Deltha O'Neal was a good move at the time. It paid off too, as O'Neal was an important part of the defense during the 2005 year where we basically lived off turnovers.

Perry had an unfortunate career and it makes people underrate what he did in college. He was an absolute workhorse on that 2003 Michigan team. The dude ran the ball over 330 times that season including 50+ in one game. Lloyd Carr ran the tread right off his tires. In retrospect, it's not surprising he got hurt his rookie year - Same thing happens when you overuse a back in the NFL.

I think they also valued Perry in the passing game and figured Rudi would still get most of the first and second down carries.

Here's the timeline of that 2004 Draft as it pertained to the trades.

The Bengals had the 17th overall pick and Denver was picking 24th. The Bengals and Broncos trade swapped the 1st round picks along with the Bengals getting Denver's 4th round pick, 117th overall (used on Robert Geathers) and Deltha O'Neal.

Denver with the 17th pick took - D.J. Williams

That part of the trade was very good. However...

The Bengals then traded back again, this time with the Rams. The Rams got the 24th overall pick (Steven Jackson) and the Bengals got the 26th overall pick (Chris Perry) and the Rams 4th round pick, 123rd overall used on...Stacy Andrews.

2004 NFL Draft Pick Transactions

Chris Perry is one of the "might have been" due to his injuries. His misdiagnosed sports hernia set him back and essentially ended his career...which probably played a part in ending the career of the Bengals long time team physician.

 

[Kingspoint]

I really hate defending the Bengals here, but just to be devil's advocate....

No doubt that Jackson was the better back.... But the Bengals really needed to upgrade their secondary and moving down a few picks and snagging Deltha O'Neal was a good move at the time. It paid off too, as O'Neal was an important part of the defense during the 2005 year where we basically lived off turnovers.

Perry had an unfortunate career and it makes people underrate what he did in college. He was an absolute workhorse on that 2003 Michigan team. The dude ran the ball over 330 times that season including 50+ in one game. Lloyd Carr ran the tread right off his tires. In retrospect, it's not surprising he got hurt his rookie year - Same thing happens when you overuse a back in the NFL.

I think they also valued Perry in the passing game and figured Rudi would still get most of the first and second down carries.

Any RB who has 330+ touches in a season should be nowhere in the conversation of wasting a draft pick on him. That should have been a huge red flag and was a major error by everyone involved for failing to be adamant about it. They learned their lesson (what I like about the Bengals of the last 12 years as they keep evolving positively). I wanted them to draft both Gio and Hill because of their low usages in College, and we'll get extra quality years from them as a result.

The needing Secondary help and O'Neal's ProBowl appearance do not come close to justifying two bad decisions as they moved down. O'Neal was a temporary fix...a bandaid, while it was obvious to anyone who watched Jackson and Wilfork that they were both long-term solutions.

 

[cincygrad]

Forgot about that second deal. I guess if you have the two ranked similarly, and you can basically be sure of 1 and an extra 4th rounder, you definitely do the deal....... Just didn't work out.

 

[cincygrad]

Any RB who has 330+ touches in a season should be nowhere in the conversation of wasting a draft pick on him. That should have been a huge red flag and was a major error by everyone involved for failing to be adamant about it. They learned their lesson (what I like about the Bengals of the last 12 years as they keep evolving positively). I wanted them to draft both Gio and Hill because of their low usages in College, and we'll get extra quality years from them as a result.

The needing Secondary help and O'Neal's ProBowl appearance do not come close to justifying two bad decisions as they moved down. O'Neal was a temporary fix...a bandaid, while it was obvious to anyone who watched Jackson and Wilfork that they were both long-term solutions.

This is complete bullshit..... It's really easy to say this after the guys have had good NFL careers. The truth is that there were worries about Steven Jackson's knee and those concerns kept him from working out at the combine. Ironic that it was Perry that ended up being hurt, given that Jackson was seen as the injury risk. There were also concerns that Wilfork was lazy and took plays off - Hardly a can't miss prospect.

 

[futballiscool]

Just some things to throw into the Steven Jackson talk...

Brat was an Oregon State alum like Jackson. In college Jackson was recruited and coached by Dennis Erickson . Brat was an OC under Erickson in college and the NFL for 7 seasons. Kind of strange with those connections that no one clued him in that Jackson was going to be one of the best RBs of his generation.

I still think Perry could have been a good player if he stayed healthy. He flashed in 05. That offense looked like it was going to take over the NFL. He was so good as a receiver out of the backfield that year

 

[cincygrad]

Just some things to throw into the Steven Jackson talk...

Brat was an Oregon State alum like Jackson. In college Jackson was recruited and coached by Dennis Erickson . Brat was an OC under Erickson in college and the NFL for 7 seasons. Kind of strange with those connections that no one clued him in that Jackson was going to be one of the best RBs of his generation.

I still think Perry could have been a good player if he stayed healthy. He flashed in 05. That offense looked like it was going to take over the NFL. He was so good as a receiver out of the backfield that year

And we had gone after some OSU players - We grabbed both Chad and TJ from that offense several years before.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Also, with SJ, there was a lot of knocks against his competition at the time. Chris Perry played against better defenses. Jackson was coming off the knee issue and did not participate in the combine.

It's very easy to sit here in hindsight and trash the pick, but at the time, many publications had the two nearly neck and neck as for as talent, both offering a bit different style, entering the draft. The Bengals, being virtually assured of one back or the other, did the smart thing and traded down twice to get more picks.

Also, Perry was considered by the Bengals to be better pass-catching RB, and with the wide open offense Brat was running at the time, Perry was probably a better fit in the scheme they were running. You also have to remember they already had a similar runner to Jackson in Rudi Johnson on the roster, and were probably looking for a bit of diversity for the offense.

 

[cincygrad]

We should also remember that most of the butt-hurt about the Perry pick came from the fact that the kid played for Michigan. The worst thing about being a Bengal fan is that a big contingent of our crew are OSU homers.