History comp: Mordecai Brown v. Eddie Plank

[steveringo]

Mordecai Brown Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

Eddie Plank Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com


Brown - 14 years - 3100 innings - 2.06 ERA - 139 ERA+

Plank - 17 years - 4495 innings - 2.35 ERA - 122 ERA+



Have at it!

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I will say eddie plank but it is all because of Games pitched and innings...

Brown pitched for 14 seasons but 3 of those seasons he had less than 20 games pitched and he never started over 34 games... He averaged 24 starts and 227 innings throughout his career..

Plank on the other hand pitched for 17 seasons, pitched 20 or more games every season and averaged 31 starts and 265 innings throughout his career...

 

[DragonfromTO]

In this case Brown doesn't have enough of an edge in quality to overcome Plank's edge in quantity.

 

[steveringo]

In this case Brown doesn't have enough of an edge in quality to overcome Plank's edge in quantity.

Nice analysis. Obviously, I found two famous pitchers with similar differences between Steib & Morris. I was wondering if the same people that took Morrris would pick Plank and the people that would pick Steib would take Brown.

I still think Brown pitched enough and his five straight season of over 155 ERA+ (including leading the league with a 1.04 ERA) vaults him over an almost as impressive Plank...

 

[DragonfromTO]

Nice analysis. Obviously, I found two famous pitchers with similar differences between Steib & Morris. I was wondering if the same people that took Morrris would pick Plank and the people that would pick Steib would take Brown.

I still think Brown pitched enough and his five straight season of over 155 ERA+ (including leading the league with a 1.04 ERA) vaults him over an almost as impressive Plank...

If you use the same "difference" method that I did with Stieb and Morris you get 1323.1 innings and 449 ERs, or 1323.1 innings of 3.05 ERA (92 ERA+). That's not outstanding performance but it's good enough to have value to a team, especially over a significantly larger inning difference than there is with Morris and Stieb (over 40% larger).

 

[DragonfromTO]

If you use the same "difference" method that I did with Stieb and Morris you get 1323.1 innings and 449 ERs, or 1323.1 innings of 3.05 ERA (92 ERA+). That's not outstanding performance but it's good enough to have value to a team, especially over a significantly larger inning difference than there is with Morris and Stieb (over 40% larger).

The differences in ERA+ seem "equal" at first glance but in this case the increased performance of both pitchers affects the valuation. Essentially it takes a lot worse performance to lower a 122 ERA+ to 105 than it does to lower 138 to 122 (sorry if I'm remembering any of those numbers wrong, I don't have them in front of me).

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Nice analysis. Obviously, I found two famous pitchers with similar differences between Steib & Morris. I was wondering if the same people that took Morrris would pick Plank and the people that would pick Steib would take Brown.

I still think Brown pitched enough and his five straight season of over 155 ERA+ (including leading the league with a 1.04 ERA) vaults him over an almost as impressive Plank...

I took stieb and i took Plank... but it is a different situation... way different...

Again Brown only pitched 20+ games for 11 seasons... That is almost like he had only an 11 season career... In those 3 seasons he did not get 20+ games he also did not reach 100 innings...

 

[Chef99]

Anyone with a great nickname like "Three Finger" Brown get my vote.

 

[steveringo]

The differences in ERA+ seem "equal" at first glance but in this case the increased performance of both pitchers affects the valuation. Essentially it takes a lot worse performance to lower a 122 ERA+ to 105 than it does to lower 138 to 122 (sorry if I'm remembering any of those numbers wrong, I don't have them in front of me).

Understood... I thought about pulling out my abacus, but decided to keep it simple... I basically took the same ERA+ difference and looked for better, well-known pitchers with about the same seasonal differences... I didn't look into much else.

The results are different than what I thought, but still great analysis...