Haslett must go

[Caliskinsfan]

We cant makes assumptions until the end of the season. Haslett was fired before the Skins made there run last year.

Oh, I agree with that. Said before that you have to wait til the end of the season to evaluate everyone.

 

[skinsdad62]

here is my take of our defense and why it needs an upgrade

1) The virtue of the 3-4 is its ability to challenge offenses to know where pressure is coming from and who is dropping into coverage and who is not . You have 5 rushers on the field and they should apply pressure and force TO's

2) The 1st issue we have is Haslett doesnt take advantage of moving those guys around . All to often opposing OC's KNOW that Rak is coming over LT and Kerrigan is coming over RT . OC's simply manipulate the predictable fronts . Hence you have Rak and Kerrigan Focussing on contain or having them schemed into covering the Shady Mccoy's of the world . Some are disappointed in Rak's production( and they should be in Kerrigans) but they arent being used as they should either in this 3-4 scheme .

3) To play the conservative 3-4 that haslett is using means you have to have guys who can win match-ups physically which we simply do not have . WE dont have dominate 2 gap De's like the 49ers and chiefs have .

4) We need more creative fronts and hybrid players to run them . We have some pieces and potential pieces But right now we dont have them .

5) A case can be made for overhauling the entire secondary , but the safety position is every bit as important as the front 7 . I want tall , fast physical CBs and safeties . The TE is becoming taller and faster and we need to adjust . Taller guys at DB like seatle has is the way we need to go . Hall's and Wilson's are to small and to weak to match up with tall guys like Johnson , Marshall ETC . In Halls case age and speed will be an issue soon . As for safeties you need 2 guys with range and tackling ability that can play the ball when needs be

6) We need strong 2 Gap d/lineman who are nimble enough to apply pressure . WE have one in Cofield .

7) We need more pressure schemes and we need to get away from read and react schemes that hamper Rak and Kerrigan in getting to the passer

8) Haslett is too predictable whether when blitzing or calling a passive game . Shanahan has stubbornly supported a failing DC and his job could come down to that fateful decision .

9) Granted , few DC's could succeed when the talent is so threadbare . Getting better talent is a must . Simply "going back to the 4-3 " isnt needed nor would it help .

10 ) This why I feel we should live with the current o/line for a season and focus on the greater need on defense. Sure if a good young Interior guy is available (Mack , Beadles ETC ) then dont turn it down . In 2015 then i look to address the o/line with higher picks

 

[skinsdad62]

Redskins DC Jim Haslett says blown assignment led to big play - ESPN

this is why haslett's version of the 3-4 fails . 10 pass plays where kerrigan is in coverage

at least 8 of those he has to be rushing the passer and moving him and rak around accomplishes this

this passive , read and react 3-4 wont work unless you have superior athletes winning one on one batt[es

we dont have this

 

[j_y19]

Agree 100%.

 

[gkekoa]

I am all for getting rid of Haslett. Go get Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennel, Wade Phillips, or anybody named Ryan...they are all 3-4 guys.

 

[skinsdad62]

I am all for getting rid of Haslett. Go get Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennel, Wade Phillips, or anybody named Ryan...they are all 3-4 guys.

i put spanos on my DC option

 

[Sharkinva]

Skinsdad... not upgrading this o-line is like Obamacare.....

Looks good on paper, but in reality it will come back to bite us in the butt.

With a line that cant pass block more often than not, its only a matter of time before the QB we traded to get ends up dead on the field again.

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad... not upgrading this o-line is like Obamacare.....

Looks good on paper, but in reality it will come back to bite us in the butt.

With a line that cant pass block more often than not, its only a matter of time before the QB we traded to get ends up dead on the field again.

shark the o/line can pass block it is avg at it . our offense is in the top 6 2 years running so someone is pass blocking well enough

there are things RG3 can do to help

we may have to live with it for an extra year until we deal with the defense . all i am saying

i have put the stats up , i have put the pictures up , it all points to an avg interior line group in a non movement , rollout , pocket only set where they are avg

the last game RG3 had a clean pocket on 27 of 39 drops . the other 12 have RG3 at fault for 3(sack, hit or hurry ) 1 by williams , 1 by helu leaving 7 on polumbus and the interior . chester was nailed for 3 leaving monty and stieger left with 4 between them

i have posted this , asked you what is avg and you havent responded . i believe that its at least an avg performance

 

[Sharkinva]

shark the o/line can pass block it is avg at it . our offense is in the top 6 2 years running so someone is pass blocking well enough

there are things RG3 can do to help

we may have to live with it for an extra year until we deal with the defense . all i am saying

i have put the stats up , i have put the pictures up , it all points to an avg interior line group in a non movement , rollout , pocket only set where they are avg

the last game RG3 had a clean pocket on 27 of 39 drops . the other 12 have RG3 at fault for 3(sack, hit or hurry ) 1 by williams , 1 by helu leaving 7 on polumbus and the interior . chester was nailed for 3 leaving monty and stieger left with 4 between them

i have posted this , asked you what is avg and you havent responded . i believe that its at least an avg performance

I have responded. Stats are highly misleading. How many batted balls have we seen? How many rushed throws?? that is the sign of a O-line that cant pass block. Just because the defense doesnt get a sack doesnt mean the O-line is doing a good job. RG3 is planted on average what 10-15 times a game?? If your QB is getting either hit or sacked on 1/3 of your passing plays, thats NOT a good offensive line.

 

[skinsdad62]

I have responded. Stats are highly misleading. How many batted balls have we seen? How many rushed throws?? that is the sign of a O-line that cant pass block. Just because the defense doesnt get a sack doesnt mean the O-line is doing a good job. RG3 is planted on average what 10-15 times a game?? If your QB is getting either hit or sacked on 1/3 of your passing plays, thats NOT a good offensive line.

shark , what is the definition of a rushed throw ? a hurry perhaps ?

balls that are knocked down can mean many things . most d/lineman when they cant beat the block raise thier hands to bat it down

sometimes then deline gets push , sometimes the qb misses the throwing lane

but lets look at whats on paper

skins qbs have attempted 381 successfully . they have allowed 22 sacks making that total 403 attempts

RG3 has rushed 66 times . if you say that every time he ran it was because of pressure that brings the total to 88 out 469 pass plays attempted ( we know that isnt true but for arguments sake )

that make it less then a quarter of the time

going into the philly game PFF reported he was hit 54 times

so by my math on 142 pass plays attempted he was hit/sacked out of 469 attempts

that doesnt take into account what RG3 was responsible for but that total , skewed very much in your favor is less then 1/3 of the time without assigning blame to failed blocks by TE's , Rbs and Rg3

PFF has the skins o/line ranked 4th in the NFL . now you and i would and should laugh that off the face of the planet but i bet around 15/16 is a reasonable assessment which would be about AVG

 

[gkekoa]

i put spanos on my DC option

I could live with that. Steelers defensive tree and plenty of experience in successful 3-4s.

 

[Sharkinva]

Skinsdad.... we will just have to agree to disagree. Because despite the stats, the bottom line is we are a 3-7 team. I will give you the fact that the defense is horrid at present. But the stats are misleading and have bred a false security in our offense and in particular our O-line and QB. Right now we are on pace to be one of the ten worst teams in the league this year. This is compounded by the fact that we gave up 4 picks for the QB in question. The problems in the passing game are a combination of poor line play and yes poor overall play by the QB in alot of cases. I know you will say the stats tell a different story. But reality is, if we have a top five offense and still finish 5-11 (which Im seriously seeing as the likely outcome) you cant blame that all on the defense. Especially when the passing offense has shown a propensity to be basically useless until the second half of games more often than not.

 

[gkekoa]

We gave away a lot for RG3. We also got a lot in year 1...our first division title in more than a decade. Keep in mind he is coming back from a major injury and losing breeds contempt in anybody that is competitive...especially when young. Also keep in mind that 36 million is a helluva penalty.

 

[Sharkinva]

We gave away a lot for RG3. We also got a lot in year 1...our first division title in more than a decade. Keep in mind he is coming back from a major injury and losing breeds contempt in anybody that is competitive...especially when young. Also keep in mind that 36 million is a helluva penalty.

Gk, sounds like excuses to me. We gave up what should have become three extra starters to get RG3, and so far what we have gotten for it is a division title, followed by a likely last place finish in the division. Had we not made the trade, I dont think we would be any worse off than we are right now. And with say a real starting FS and a little oline help (which we could have gotten with the 2nd on 2012 and the 1st in 2013, not to mention the first next year), I think as a whole we might actually be better off.

 

[Mitziman]

How about Ken Norton Jr San Fran? He's paid his dues, and its time for a shot at DC

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad.... we will just have to agree to disagree. Because despite the stats, the bottom line is we are a 3-7 team. I will give you the fact that the defense is horrid at present. But the stats are misleading and have bred a false security in our offense and in particular our O-line and QB. Right now we are on pace to be one of the ten worst teams in the league this year. This is compounded by the fact that we gave up 4 picks for the QB in question. The problems in the passing game are a combination of poor line play and yes poor overall play by the QB in alot of cases. I know you will say the stats tell a different story. But reality is, if we have a top five offense and still finish 5-11 (which Im seriously seeing as the likely outcome) you cant blame that all on the defense. Especially when the passing offense has shown a propensity to be basically useless until the second half of games more often than not.

our qb is going to be fine he is going threw some cam newton like growing pains but he will be a steller player for us

we are 3-7 for many reason but the 2 biggest are a putrid defense , shabby STs followed by weakness in the interior of the o/line when it comes to anchoring in the pocket passing game

every time i look up i see the defense failing . on 3rd down , vs the pass and Vs the run

i remember when we had a defense that could hold when given poor field position , keep a team pinned back in their own end , get off on 3rd down , and keep the team in a game when the offense was sluggish

last season we had a 10-6 team with a top 5 offense . the difference is the defense became decent as the season wore on

this year they have failed all year long

this year the offense has continued to perform close to last years level

you can build up the o/line all you want if you wish and i wouldnt argue with it . i would jump on that new player/players bandwagon and tout it as a huge upgrade

but we arent going anywhere we want to go consistently without a reasonable defense from the moment this defense started the season vs philly it has been run up and down on and scored upon at will and the offense has nothing to do with fresh guys making tackles and stopping the other team . Vs the vikings the offense scored early and often but the defense gave it away

sometimes they have to make a stand and more often then not they dont

 

[skinsdad62]

Gk, sounds like excuses to me. We gave up what should have become three extra starters to get RG3, and so far what we have gotten for it is a division title, followed by a likely last place finish in the division. Had we not made the trade, I dont think we would be any worse off than we are right now. And with say a real starting FS and a little oline help (which we could have gotten with the 2nd on 2012 and the 1st in 2013, not to mention the first next year), I think as a whole we might actually be better off.

oh lord shark . for the love of God if you cant comprehend that RG3's injury stalled his progress then there is no hope for you .

it isnt an excuse ,its a reason , big difference

if you thought for one moment that he was coming off this surgery and that he would fire on all cylinders from jump street and would lead us to the promised land in year 2 then your expectations were foolish to be kind .

we went after the best QB we could and you and many others have advocated in the past to GUT drafts for the likes of sanchez and bradford on the espn nboard if you are being honest

now they do swap 1st rounders give up 1 more 1st's and a 2nd and now you are bemoaning the fact that we did it ?

man , i mean , come on ? stop with the insanity

this could be a rerun of the detroit lions the last 3 years for all we know go to the playoffs , have a losing season , then be tied for a division title this year

the problem here is nobody lets anyone develop

i bet almost 3/4 's of the NFL would love to have RG3 on their team

 

[j_y19]

Shark, I'm with you on the oline. The interior of our line is just not good at pocket protection. I also agree that the stats that have been offered don't show the true picture. But to say that RG3 was a bad trade just isn't fair. The kid is coming off of a major injury and is being asked to do something (pocket pass and read defenses) that he has never had to do before. All this without any preseason to work on this skill. It is way too early to toss this kid aside. He has unbelievable skills and intelligence. We need to be patient with him. I'll be that by this time next year (barring any unforeseen injury) he will be in the upper echelon of QBs again. He is just going through normal growing pains that happen to every young QB.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark, I'm with you on the oline. The interior of our line is just not good at pocket protection. I also agree that the stats that have been offered don't show the true picture. But to say that RG3 was a bad trade just isn't fair. The kid is coming off of a major injury and is being asked to do something (pocket pass and read defenses) that he has never had to do before. All this without any preseason to work on this skill. It is way too early to toss this kid aside. He has unbelievable skills and intelligence. We need to be patient with him. I'll be that by this time next year (barring any unforeseen injury) he will be in the upper echelon of QBs again. He is just going through normal growing pains that happen to every young QB.

J_Y... when a team gave up 4 early round draft picks to get you, im sorry you dont get to go through "Normal growing Pains". When your knee gets torn up because you are too stubborn to come out of the game when you are hurt, you dont then get to play the injury card. If he wasnt ready, he should have sat down and let the healthy QB play. He proclaimed he was good to go, so I expected him to at the least out perform the guy who was taken four picks later and didnt cost three extra picks.

 

[gkekoa]

J_Y... when a team gave up 4 early round draft picks to get you, im sorry you dont get to go through "Normal growing Pains". When your knee gets torn up because you are too stubborn to come out of the game when you are hurt, you dont then get to play the injury card. If he wasnt ready, he should have sat down and let the healthy QB play. He proclaimed he was good to go, so I expected him to at the least out perform the guy who was taken four picks later and didnt cost three extra picks.

Think back to when Tomlinson sat out over a sprained MCL. He took a ton of crap that was unwarranted. "He should have played through it. It's just a sprain." That was being said frequently.

That's what guys like RG3 will remember. They want to be the hero. They think about Michael Jordan scoring the "double nickel" on NY with a 103 degree temperature. There was no way RG3 could see the potential of being injured further.

He has outplayed Tannehill. We have seen the potential of RG3 and we loved it. We have seen a guy that can hit 70% of his passes and not throw it to the wrong team. He still have to work on mechanics but you can't do that when you aren't cleared to practice. How much better would we be with those picks and Tannehill at QB? I'm betting we wouldn't be any better.