Haslett must go

[Sportster 72]

Umm, Kerrigan has been an awesome OLB for us and Orakpo has show flashes. People don't seem to understand that most OLB's in the NFL played DE in college. There is no reason to think Kerrigan would be more effective in a 4-3. When he drafted him people were down on the pick when he was coming from a DE, we moved him to OLB and he has been nothing short of phenomenal (and sturdy) and now they are saying he would be more effective if he went back to the 4-3? Based on WHAT exactly?

Kind of like people saying Cousin's is a better pocket passer than RG3. Based on WHAT? His 1.5 games? Against the Browns?

Exactly, the OLB in the 3-4 is essentially a standup DE. Kerrigan is an excellent 3-4 OLB. A lot of fans don't seem to understand that. I liked the blinders line though, even if the accuser might be the one who doesn't understand.

 

[HailYeah21]

haslett needs to go. its really not even debatable. His track record speaks for himself.

 

[Mitziman]

Well I don't recommend it, but if the Redskins do make a change at DC I hope that Snyder opens up the check book and brings in...Lovie Smith.

 

[j_y19]

Don't know that Lovie has ever coached a 3-4 defense before. He ran a 4-3 at chicago. He's a good coach, tho.

 

[skinz2winz]

Exactly, the OLB in the 3-4 is essentially a standup DE. Kerrigan is an excellent 3-4 OLB. A lot of fans don't seem to understand that. I liked the blinders line though, even if the accuser might be the one who doesn't understand.

Ha, ha, ha... I understand football quite well thank you. Having said that, yes, Kerrigan has been the lone bright spot of our LB core. He and Orakpo both would benefit from playing DE in a 4-3. Let's just leave it at that since we really don't need to get into how ineffective Fletcher, Riley & Rak have been.

Go Skins!

 

[Krusheasy]

27m[/ame] [URL="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Redskins&src=hash"]#Redskins tied for first in NFC in sacks (15) & 7th in @NFL. They're tied for first in #NFC/ 2nd in #NFL in total return TD's (3). #FireHaz

 

[j_y19]

Whoopdefreakingdo. Those stats mean nothing, just like Romo's huge stats last sunday. All that matters is winning. We have 15 sacks because everyone is throwing against us because our secondary is one of the worst in the league. We are 1-3 primarily because our defense couldn't stop anyone the first 3 weeks. That falls directly onto the defensive coordinator who has now been here 4 years. We have never had a top tier defense since he has been here. How long does he get to "turn it around"? Oh, he has also had this issue almost every where he as coached. We can do better, but it is going to require a change of some sort. Unfortunately, that change isn't coming before the next offseason, at the earliest.

 

[Krusheasy]

We are 1-3 primarily because our defense couldn't stop anyone the first 3 weeks.

This is a chicken or the egg debate.

Are the losses due to the defense inability to stop anyone or due to the offense inability to sustain drives & score points.

I just find it humorous that when players dont execute, ala missed tackles & assignments, its the DC fault ... but when players do execute, ala leading the league in sacks & TDs, the DC gets no credit.

Hass is damned if he does & damned if he doesn't

 

[j_y19]

This is a chicken or the egg debate.

Are the losses due to the defense inability to stop anyone or due to the offense inability to sustain drives & score points.

I just find it humorous that when players dont execute, ala missed tackles & assignments, its the DC fault ... but when players do execute, ala leading the league in sacks & TDs, the DC gets no credit.

Hass is damned if he does & damned if he doesn't

I'm not giving the offense a pass by any means. But our defense sucks and probably will all season. Our offense is mediocre but has potential to be better.

As far as Haz getting no credit and all blame, it goes with the territory. If we had a shut down defense for the last 4 years, his name would be talked about with every HC opening. He has done nothing to warrant any credit. If it weren't for Kerrigan, a third of those sacks and a couple of those TDs might not be there.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

This is a chicken or the egg debate.

Are the losses due to the defense inability to stop anyone or due to the offense inability to sustain drives & score points.

I just find it humorous that when players dont execute, ala missed tackles & assignments, its the DC fault ... but when players do execute, ala leading the league in sacks & TDs, the DC gets no credit.

Hass is damned if he does & damned if he doesn't

Jim Haslett Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Check out his overall track record as both coordinator & head coach. His defenses have never really been good both in terms of pts and yards allowed (& has has had a considerable period of time to be evaluated).

Are you maintaining that is also because of some flaw with the corresponding offense? Is it usually because of some issue with lack of talent (which is somewhat the product of his inputs)? Let's say that he should be given the benefit of the doubt. Please - tell me what it is about him (in any area) that makes him better than other defensive coordinators & what we would regret if he is replaced either this year or next?

I agree that there are shortcomings on the defense in terms of talent that can be addressed next offseason via free agency and other options. However - why not possibly make the defense that much better by also replacing some/all of the defensive coaches? It is not as if you will lose continuity since their defense does not really appear to be that good (again - would love to be proven wrong with a turnaround this season - don't expect it).

 

[Krusheasy]

Are you maintaining that is also because of some flaw with the corresponding offense?

Yes. When you're the DC on a team that is fielding John Beck/Rex Grossmen on the opposite side of the ball it going to skew the numbers.

Is it usually because of some issue with lack of talent (which is somewhat the product of his inputs)?

I think we all recognize we haven't had the salary cap/draft picks to go out & address the glaring needs in the secondary.

Please - tell me what it is about him (in any area) that makes him better than other defensive coordinators & what we would regret if he is replaced either this year or next?

I am not in love with Jim. Mostly doing this to play devils advocate. I just remember how everyone was down his throat after 3 weeks last year, even though we had the same issues with lack of talent in the secondary, & yet by the end of the season that had all blown over and the media was singing his praises for being able to adapt in spite of the lack of talent he had to work with.

We're 4 years into this 34 rebuild. IMO he has built a strong foundation by trading for an awesome nose tackle & drafting a stud linebacker.

With cap space in 2014 to address the holes in the secondary by going after Talib or Byrd etc, I beleive his detractors will no longer have a leg to stand on because this defense will be feared. But, who knows ...

 

[j_y19]

Krush, you are one loyal SOB and a hell of an optimist. But as SoCal pointed out, he has never been really successful as a coach. So at some point, you have to ask is he part of the solution or part of the problem. I've come to the conclusion based on what I've seen in 4 years here and his record elsewhere, he is part of the problem. As far as the talent goes, with the exception of Orakpo and Fletcher, every other starter on D has come here after Hasslett's arrival. So clearly these are players he approved of.

 

[Krusheasy]

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Wow, those team ranking comparisons are eye opening. Pretty consistently bad for Haz.

 

[deanpet21]

Hasslett is probably going to be the Fall Guy in our situation b/c I cant see Shanny getting fired. The real problem is Kyle but if Mike stays so does Kyle.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Hasslett is probably going to be the Fall Guy in our situation b/c I cant see Shanny getting fired. The real problem is Kyle but if Mike stays so does Kyle.

Dean, why again is it that you feel so strongly that Kyle is the real problem?

 

[Krusheasy]

Dean, why again is it that you feel so strongly that Kyle is the real problem?

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/washington-redskins/123901-kyles-play-calling-end-game.html

 

[deanpet21]

b/c he is an awful play caller its been proven so many times this year. He was on the hot seat in the past but got saved with the read option we did last year. Now that the defenses know about the read option its not having the success like it did last year.

Yes RG3 has been bad in accuracy and decision making but they will just chalk that up to being a 2nd year QB. If someone is getting fired this offseason its not the Shannys. Its probably going to be HAslett.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I don't know if you can call letting Haz go a 'scape goating' for the Shanahai, if you are looking at his track record with Defenses on other teams as well.

I remain on the fence about Haz getting fired, primarily because of the argument of 'lack of talent' and 'coaching consistency vs starting over'.

 

[deanpet21]

We cant makes assumptions until the end of the season. Haslett was fired before the Skins made there run last year.