has it already begun?

[SoCalWizFan]

7.5 points a game and he isn't being run out of town.

Complete sarcasm I hope. If Cousins had already won 1 SB, played in another & been to numerous playoff games nobody would be questioning his future role with the team.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Would you clarify what you think the 'real' reason is?

I like Kirk and want him to succeed but I think it's just fine to criticize what he has and hasn't been these first 2 games.

Yep I would also like to know. I don't care about the background of any QB (or any player), his age or even if he is a jerk off the field. For me all that counts is what he does on the field & objectively speaking KC has had mixed results over his career (regardless of the defense, running game, coaching, etc). Why is that so hard to understand?

KC still has time to turn this around - let's hope it happens.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Some people dont WANT him to turn it around.

Who? Not me & not most Redskins fans. I don't consider that ones still holding a grudge @ RG3 to be that big of Redskins fans - they are conditional fans.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Sure he helped build the Seahawks team. And Shanahan won 2 Super Bowls with Denver. I think his track record is the main reason why most of you didnt go ape shit when he seriously said we would go into the season with a D-line of Hood, Golston and Baker. Past success does NOT make one above reproach, especially when one is in a completely different environment.

I am not stating that he has not made mistakes nor that he is beyond reproach - just that he needs another year regardless. After that - sure - he can be put on notice. Again - one of the Redskins biggest issues is a lack of patience. Also - again - if they dump SM be prepared for the possibility of someone like Cerrato coming in here - anything is possible if Snyder becomes very frustrated. I choose to take my chances with SM.

 

[Breed]

You sound very 0-2.

And you sound just like you always have. Firmly and securely super-glued to the nut-sack of the Eagles latest next great HC. Just like you were with Reid, just like you were with Kelly.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So let's review Shark's latest work here:

He claimed Russell Wilson is Jason Campbell 2.0 on this team despite all of Wilson's accomplishments
Despite my proof that of the 23 QBs taken in round 3 over the last 20 years Wilson was literally the only one worth anything he still seems to prefers this approach and calls my preference of trading up for a higher pick dumb.
He believes SM should be on the hot seat after only 2 season, one a division crown.
He claimed people here actually want our QB to fail.

And we thought Kirk had a bad week........

 

[Breed]

Im not knocking Willson. He's done well. But any one that really thinks we would be any better right now with him is being unreasonable and mostly just throwing shade at cousins. I get it. And we know the real reasons behind the cousins dislike. Amy place else they would be screaming for the DCs head. Here in redskins land though it's all about the QB.

You're the bastion of rationale eh. You started this when you disputed that among 3rd rd QBs Wilson is special. When clearly ALL the evidence of the last 4 years says otherwise. But you have 2 funky games of this year and that trumps all.

Sure Sea has run the ball more than the Skins, but they've been inefective, really ineffective at it..

Seahawks rushing/56 rushes 179 yards/89.5 yds a game 3.2 ypc 0 TDs long gain of 16 yards and 8 rushing first
downs.

Skins rushing/29 rushes 137 yards/68.5 yds a game 4.72 ypc 2 TDs long gain of 14 yards and 7 rushing first downs.

According to PFF Seattle has the worst rated OLine in the NFL. And while throwing 11 fewer passes than Cousins has this year. Wilson's been sacked 5 times to 2 for Cousins.

How you think Cuz with his scary, indecisive looking self of the last 2 games would do behind the NFL';s worst OL?

And one more time EWilson is not 100% right now. He has a bum ankle.

As for throwing shade. You threw an eclipse with a nonsensical comparison of Wilson to Jason Campbell. And talking in terms that imply Wilson and Cousins are on the same QB level is pretty unreasonable imo, but if that's what you think so be it.. But this "we know the real reason why KC is disliked?" ulterior motive by the KC haters bullshit is not only stupid. Its some Donald Trump level bullshit with some TMZ shock value thrown in the mix. And while I like KC, liking or disliking KC has nothing to do with why peeps are unhappy with him. His play has stunk in the two games he's played. He's left as many as 6 TDs, 2 against Pitt and 4 against Dall on the field. Now I doubt the outcome of the Pitt would change regardless if the Skins scored 2 more TD or not. But missing those scores in the Dallas game cost the Skins a victory. Not the defense, not the lack of a running game, not the play calling, not penalties, It was on Cousins period.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You're the bastion of rationale eh. You started this when you disputed that among 3rd rd QBs Wilson is special. When clearly ALL the evidence of the last 4 years says otherwise. But you have 2 funky games of this year and that trumps all.

Sure Sea has run the ball more than the Skins, but they've been inefective, really ineffective at it..

Seahawks rushing/56 rushes 179 yards/89.5 yds a game 3.2 ypc 0 TDs long gain of 16 yards and 8 rushing first
downs.

Skins rushing/29 rushes 137 yards/68.5 yds a game 4.72 ypc 2 TDs long gain of 14 yards and 7 rushing first downs.

According to PFF Seattle has the worst rated OLine in the NFL. And while throwing 11 fewer passes than Cousins has this year. Wilson's been sacked 5 times to 2 for Cousins.

How you think Cuz with his scary, indecisive looking self of the last 2 games would do behind the NFL';s worst OL?

And one more time EWilson is not 100% right now. He has a bum ankle.

As for throwing shade. You threw an eclipse with a nonsensical comparison of Wilson to Jason Campbell. And talking in terms that imply Wilson and Cousins are on the same QB level is pretty unreasonable imo, but if that's what you think so be it.. But this "we know the real reason why KC is disliked?" ulterior motive by the KC haters bullshit is not only stupid. Its some Donald Trump level bullshit with some TMZ shock value thrown in the mix. And while I like KC, liking or disliking KC has nothing to do with why peeps are unhappy with him. His play has stunk in the two games he's played. He's left as many as 6 TDs, 2 against Pitt and 4 against Dall on the field. Now I doubt the outcome of the Pitt would change regardless if the Skins scored 2 more TD or not. But missing those scores in the Dallas game cost the Skins a victory. Not the defense, not the lack of a running game, not the play calling, not penalties, It was on Cousins period.

Please allow me to drop the mic for you Breed. That was beautiful, bonus points for the Trump reference.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I am not stating that he has not made mistakes nor that he is beyond reproach - just that he needs another year regardless. After that - sure - he can be put on notice. Again - one of the Redskins biggest issues is a lack of patience. Also - again - if they dump SM be prepared for the possibility of someone like Cerrato coming in here - anything is possible if Snyder becomes very frustrated. I choose to take my chances with SM.

When SM was hired I was optimistic but as always cautiously optimistic. As I said smart people arrive in Ashburn and suddenly become stupid. So this time I was not going to allow Lucy to pull the ball away again. I'm in wait and see mode with Sober Scott but he still gets my full support and that won't change anytime soon.

 

[ehb5]

And you then end up with Bobby Hoying and have zero chance.

True but you don't have any chance if you have rg3 either.

That said I agree with you that a good qb is necessary or at least strongly beneficial and that the best way to get one is with a first round pick.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

When SM was hired I was optimistic but as always cautiously optimistic. As I said smart people arrive in Ashburn and suddenly become stupid. So this time I was not going to allow Lucy to pull the ball away again. I'm in wait and see mode with Sober Scott but he still gets my full support and that won't change anytime soon.

Not a bad strategy at all.

 

[ehb5]

Im not knocking Willson. He's done well. But any one that really thinks we would be any better right now with him is being unreasonable and mostly just throwing shade at cousins. I get it. And we know the real reasons behind the cousins dislike. Amy place else they would be screaming for the DCs head. Here in redskins land though it's all about the QB.

You've gotta be kidding me. It's unreasonable to think we'd be better off with russell wilson? This has nothing to do with cousins at this point and everything to do with there's only a small handful of qbs more valuable than russell.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

True but you don't have any chance if you have rg3 either.

That said I agree with you that a good qb is necessary or at least strongly beneficial and that the best way to get one is with a first round pick.

Agreed, it's always a long shot when you draft a QB. But to ignore the FACT that the first round improves your odds dramatically on hitting on a good one just because it failed here in the past is just stupid. If the Lions had listened to Shark they would have passed on drafting Calvin Johnson because the other WRs they drafted high in the past didn't work out.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You've gotta be kidding me. It's unreasonable to think we'd be better off with russell wilson? This has nothing to do with cousins at this point and everything to do with there's only a small handful of qbs more valuable than russell.

I love debating with Shark, he prides himself on going against the grain and that's cool. But when he is posting nonsense he deserves to be called on it and this thread he is spewing nothing but nonsense.

 

[ehb5]

Agreed, it's always a long shot when you draft a QB. But to ignore the FACT that the first round improves your odds dramatically on hitting on a good one just because it failed here in the past is just stupid. If the Lions had listened to Shark they would have passed on drafting Calvin Johnson because the other WRs they drafted high in the past didn't work out.

Yup I agree completely. The we suck at drafting qbs so let's not do it again is such an awful idea.

Hopefully we don't need to draft a QB any time soon but if we do the first round is pretty clearly the best place to do so.

 

[ehb5]

I love debating with Shark, he prides himself on going against the grain and that's cool. But when he is posting nonsense he deserves to be called on it and this thread he is spewing nothing but nonsense.

I agree. Shark and I spent all last year arguing about kirk and I enjoyed it. The only thing I don't like is when he starts up with his conspiracy theories about why people are critical of kirk or that they're rooting for him to fail. I love ya shark but take off the tin foil hat.

 

[Sharkinva]

Would you clarify what you think the 'real' reason is?

I like Kirk and want him to succeed but I think it's just fine to criticize what he has and hasn't been these first 2 games.

The real reason is, this fan base in General has PTSD crossed with abused puppy syndrome when it comes to the QB situation. Combine that with a desire for instant gratification, and short of being damn near perfect, I dont think Kirk or any other QB could do enough to win some of these fans over at this point. Yea, the last four years at QB have alot to do with it, and yes there is still a portion of the fan base suffering from group butt hurt over the whole Griffin thing. But seriously, this is the only fan base i have ever seen ready to lynch the QB after two bad games when the defense did in fact play worse. This is the only fan base I STILL see fractured over how the last QB was treated vs how the current QB was treated. And sadly race also does play a factor in it this time as well. I mean people are actually calling the coach out with lines like, Gruden wasnt this supportive of Griffin after a bad game. So yea, the butt hurt does linger. At the end of the day, the real reasons are PTSD, a want/need for instant gratification... and a fair degree of good old fashioned butt hurt.

People seem to think I am saying some are being too hard on Kirk.. far from it. But I think there are some unrealistic expectations when they say well he wanted to be paid like a franchise QB. He wanted to be paid like a starter, not a well paid backup. The man cant have one bad game, much less two at this point. And I still ask, what realistic person says well the defense is giving up 32 points a game, but the main reason we lost is because the QB couldnt score 50. Any place outside of DC, fans would be outside Joe Barrys house with pitch forks.

 

[Sharkinva]

I agree. Shark and I spent all last year arguing about kirk and I enjoyed it. The only thing I don't like is when he starts up with his conspiracy theories about why people are critical of kirk or that they're rooting for him to fail. I love ya shark but take off the tin foil hat.

Dude I have admitted Multiple times Kirk has had two BAD games this year. But seriously when people come out and say well I expected the defense to suck to the tune of 32 points a game, the main issue is that the QB couldnt score 50... sounds like a little hate to me. When I see people making comments like we might be better off trading up for a QB after the last ass raping we took... sounds like a little hate mixed in with the instant gratification mentality to me.

 

[ehb5]

Dude I have admitted Multiple times Kirk has had two BAD games this year. But seriously when people come out and say well I expected the defense to suck to the tune of 32 points a game, the main issue is that the QB couldnt score 50... sounds like a little hate to me. When I see people making comments like we might be better off trading up for a QB after the last ass raping we took... sounds like a little hate mixed in with the instant gratification mentality to me.

I know youve said that - and I havent said anything to the contrary. Like I said my only beef is with the conspiracy theories. Were all aware the defense has sucked and needs to be better. Thats on SM to fix that. Not sure what else you want me to say there.

As for trading up for a QB thats more a discussion on team building philosophy than anything to do with Kirk. As far as Ive seen nobody is calling for us to draft a QB right now. I think were all rooting for Kirk to be our QB for the next 10 years.

 

[Sharkinva]

I know youve said that - and I havent said anything to the contrary. Like I said my only beef is with the conspiracy theories. Were all aware the defense has sucked and needs to be better. Thats on SM to fix that. Not sure what else you want me to say there.

As for trading up for a QB thats more a discussion on team building philosophy than anything to do with Kirk. As far as Ive seen nobody is calling for us to draft a QB right now. I think were all rooting for Kirk to be our QB for the next 10 years.

I know you are older than 15, so I shouldnt have to explain this... Right now a good portion of this fan base is like some one that thought they had found their one true love, and then got cheated on. Now we have moved onto the next one.. sort of. But alot of the fan base is still watching Kirk with that thought in the back of their heads.. .I know he's going to screw us over . In a situation like we are in... short of being damn near flawless, Kirk will never win some of these fans over. And the moment he has a bad stretch ( and yes ALL QBs have bad stretches) many are more than willing to crucify him.

Note I didnt say, you, or mention any one on this board. We all know whats really in our heads. Its not a conspiracy theory, its just a part of human nature. So yea, like some one who has been burned.. .we all HOPE Kirk turns out to be Mr right, but many are expecting him to burn us again.