has it already begun?

[Breed]

KC has had 2 bad games this season. That is what I am talking about 32 games for his. Career

@skinsdad62 Of those 32 games. How many would you say were good games, wins or losses, starting or relief, by Cousins?

I have him at 13, possibly 14, with 9 coming last year. I didn't use the Baltimore game where he came in Griffin. The sample size was too small imo and even in a few of the good games. Philly game where he threw for 427 yards and 3 TDs. He made some huge miscues.

I gotta poo poo that "This is only his 2nd year starting" rationale. As well as his passing yardage and comp %. As they are overshadowed by bad decisions, being too hesitant, poor red zone play and lack of producing TDs. Only 3 TDs in 10 red zone chances and 1 TD pass.

This is a fair written article imo
Kirk Cousins' slow start makes Redskins look prudent

 

[Stymietee]

Spot on as is the norm for Jerry Brewer

Coaches thought the Redskins were better than they are. Now it’s on them to fix it.

Excerpt

Here’s the problem at its most basic: The coaches got ahead of themselves. They believed the hype more than anyone else. They thought this team was more advanced than it really is, and now that Washington has been exposed as weaker than advertised, their task is to return the players to the roots of last season’s success.

A year ago, this team played simple football with great passion. The coaches emphasized being physical, the most fundamental trait needed to compete. They went to great lengths putting together game plans that made Kirk Cousins look his best, not dumping too much on the quarterback and making sure to highlight his strengths. And they did their best work teaching, focusing on development, helping a constant stream of new players contribute on a fluid roster and leveraging the limited amount of elite talent they had to create a winning situation.

There’s this notion now that Washington has considerably more talent than it did in 2015. But while the 53-man roster is better, it’s not like this team rose to becoming one of the five most gifted teams in the NFL. Last year, Washington was probably near the top of the bottom third of the NFL in talent. For the sake of argument, consider that squad 21st of 32 teams in overall ability. This season, it has climbed to about average, maybe 16th in ability.

Think about it. What’s really different about this team that comes through in a major way on Sundays? Josh Norman is an elite cornerback addition. Josh Doctson, though still recovering from an Achilles’ injury, has added to a top-notch receiving corps. Rookie linebacker/safety Su’a Cravens looks good in a limited role. And the improvement in those areas is tempered by regression on the defensive line and at running back. Consider also that a majority of the best talent is at wide receiver and tight end, which means those players are primarily influencing one area, the passing game, and there is a lot of overlap that restricts what each individual can contribute. Washington has better depth, but in terms of impact players, the main difference is Norman.

It’s not the fault of General Manager Scot McCloughan, and it’s not reason to divert from the overall plan to reconstruct this roster. This is just the inevitable hardship of building in a responsible, incremental manner. There’s only so much you can do from year to year. There’s only so much you should do.

I should sue him.........( he added that last bit)

 

[Sharkinva]

OK great - so what should they do now? No sense in harping on possible mistakes that were already made. I say just make the best out of what you have for now & from what I hear players are complaining that Barry is not making necessary in-game adjustments. He can change that or simply plan on being fired soon enough.

You can question SM - rightfully so in certain cases - but he will be here for at least another year or two as it should be. I cannot believe people still want to constantly fire GMs and coaches. That is the old Snyder theme & just doesn't work. At least be patient for a while.

I dont say he HAS to be fired this year. But I do think if we finish 4-12, he should be on the hot seat a bit. I mean come on, he totally ignored our two biggest needs and both have directly effected our current standings. I know he lives by the best player available mantra in the draft.

BUt if he seriously didnt have a single D-lineman worth more than a 5th rounder... then it should have been better addressed BEFORE the draft. Thats my main gripe. If you seriously had Doctson and Cravens rated as better than any D-lineman in the draft, you got to improve the group before the draft.

 

[Sharkinva]

Of course Wilson is the exception, there are always exceptions. But there have been like 100 QBs taken in the 3rd round and Wilson and Montana seem to be about it. Talk about long odds. But one thing I do know is Seattle didn't win a damn thing until they got a QB.

See I dont think Wilson is an exception... he is a part of an exceptional team that doesnt ask him to go win it with no help from his defense or ground game. I would wager if Wilson was in DC right now, we would still be 0-2.

 

[Sharkinva]

Perhaps they should have brought in another RB & not just a low level FA or late rd pick. However - I still don't have an issue with them getting rid of Morris. What exactly has he done for Dallas? Great - he had that one TD run & basically did nothing else in that game & not much more in the previous game. He is a decent back but had more than his fair share of problems last season (& if you want to blame the Redskins O line or coaching for that then you should afford the same luxury to Jones).

All things being equal, Morris is the better back for two reasons.

1. He doesnt have fumbling issues
2. He isnt injury prone.

I cant be the only one that cringes every time I see Matt Jones carrying the ball like a set of school books he would rather ditch. And you can really deny his injury history, which will likely continue because he is 6'2" and continues to run like he is trying to see over the defense.

 

[Sharkinva]

And who helped build that Seahawks team? This may not work out long term for the Redskins but you have to give it a little more time.

Sure he helped build the Seahawks team. And Shanahan won 2 Super Bowls with Denver. I think his track record is the main reason why most of you didnt go ape shit when he seriously said we would go into the season with a D-line of Hood, Golston and Baker. Past success does NOT make one above reproach, especially when one is in a completely different environment.

 

[Breed]

See I dont think Wilson is an exception... he is a part of an exceptional team that doesnt ask him to go win it with no help from his defense or ground game. I would wager if Wilson was in DC right now, we would still be 0-2.

They say he's hurt right now, but I'd take Wilson in a heartbeat if it were possible. He'd be a significant upgrade over KC.

 

[Sharkinva]

They say he's hurt right now, but I'd take Wilson in a heartbeat if it were possible. He'd be a significant upgrade over KC.

I disagree. Put Wilson on this roster and have him throw 45 passes a game with no run game and a shitty defense and Russel Wilson becomes Jason Campbell.

 

[Breed]

I disagree. Put Wilson on this roster and have him throw 45 passes a game with no run game and a shitty defense and Russel Wilson becomes Jason Campbell.

Good grief. You can't be serious.

 

[Sharkinva]

Good grief. You can't be serious.

Dead serious. The Seahawks WITH all world Russell have scored 15 points this season.

Flip side of why they are 1-1... their defense has given up 19 points. Our defense has given up 65 points man. 65 POINTS in two games.

I fully admit Kirk has had two bad games, but I also think Wilson would have had two just as bad games with this roster despite all the "Weapons" we have at our disposal. Rewatch the game, see how often Dallas dropped 7 into coverage because they KNEW we were not going to run the ball.

IF we had a defense capable of holding teams to under 20 points a game, with or without Cousins having a great game... we would be 1--1 right now at worst. Seattle isnt asking Wilson to go out and win it for us, they are asking him to help them win it. We are telling our QB... its all on you big dawg. Cause we are not going to give you any help on offense aside from all our "weapons" and a predictable offense. And the defense is going to bend over and take it like Traci Lords in the 80's at every possible opportunity.

 

[Sportster 72]

7.5 points a game and he isn't being run out of town.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

See I dont think Wilson is an exception... he is a part of an exceptional team that doesnt ask him to go win it with no help from his defense or ground game. I would wager if Wilson was in DC right now, we would still be 0-2.

I still don't understand why Wilson doesn't get the respect he deserves around here. Sure he has help and they don't ask him to throw it too much. . But it's idiotic (there's that word again) to not recognize that he has been a huge part of their success. Unlike our boy he shows up in the big games.

I know one thing. Getting the ball with over 4 minutes down 4 Russell Wilson takes that team further than midfield. Given the number of times he has taken the Seahawks down the field in the final minutes and won the game already in his short career i'm betting on him making the Redskins1-1 at worst. They drop 7 into coverage as Dad says and Wilson makes big plays with his feet, he always does.

By the way Wilson holds the record for game winning drives through 4 seasons.

Russell Wilson holds NFL record for game-winning drives through four seasons

 

[skinsdad62]

Its 2 games into the season , he hasn't played well however it can be turned around

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Dead serious. The Seahawks WITH all world Russell have scored 15 points this season.

But Dad you have been preaching not to judge Kirk on only 2 games, now you are doing the same thing with Wilson. How about we do the only fair thing and evaluate the QB's career and not make judgements over only 2 games?

One has a ring, a bad play call away from another when he lead his team down the field in the final minute (again) in a big game, holds the record for 4th quarter comebacks and has a 4th quarter passer rating of 114.8, tops in the NFL. His nine to one touchdown to interception ratio in the fourth also ranked first. And of course that does not even factor in all the plays he makes on broken plays by escaping pressure and running for a first down. He's done that a ton of times.

And then there's Kirk who has had one half of a good season in 5 years and never finds a way at the end to beat good teams. He never makes something happen on a broken play, his pocket presence is marginal at best.

 

[Sharkinva]

Its 2 games into the season , he hasn't played well however it can be turned around

Some people dont WANT him to turn it around.

 

[eaglesnut]

So? Haven't y'all already scared the division before? And your boy Wentz better learn or better be taught by your super scary awesome coach to protect himself.

You sound very 0-2.

 

[Krusheasy]

You sound very 0-2.

if you would like to bait people into an argument you're welcome to post here

Smack Talk Thread

 

[Sportster 72]

I was stirring the pot with the 7.5 points comment. Wilson is better than I thought he would be coming out of college. My greatest fear with him was his height. His D and run game were/are excellent but you can't knock the kid. He has played well.

 

[Sharkinva]

I was stirring the pot with the 7.5 points comment. Wilson is better than I thought he would be coming out of college. My greatest fear with him was his height. His D and run game were/are excellent but you can't knock the kid. He has played well.

Im not knocking Willson. He's done well. But any one that really thinks we would be any better right now with him is being unreasonable and mostly just throwing shade at cousins. I get it. And we know the real reasons behind the cousins dislike. Amy place else they would be screaming for the DCs head. Here in redskins land though it's all about the QB.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

And we know the real reasons behind the cousins dislike.

Would you clarify what you think the 'real' reason is?

I like Kirk and want him to succeed but I think it's just fine to criticize what he has and hasn't been these first 2 games.