Series Thread: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers NBA Finals Thread

[Shanemansj13]

What does where they line up as scorers have to do with them beating the Cavs? Here's some food for thought. The Warriors play in the more competitive conference, yet they were the #1 see across the ENTIRE league. The Cavs weren't even the #1 seed in their conference. I think that says it all when you want to compare the two. And it doesn't matter who the defender is...they can't stop Curry's shot. Not Mozgov, not LBJ & not Thompson. Cancel Xmas on that my friend. Cleveland isn't the same team they were in the reg season when they faced the Warriors...and the Warriors are still playing the same 10 man rotation with a couple of extras as needed. Did you see the stats for the series? The Warriors crashed those boards and did so by double digits in every game they won. And, did it against a team that has the so-called 'best center' in the league. Warriors in 6!

Or maybe bc they had a whole new team, system, and coach and started out 19-20. The seeds say absolutely nothing about who has the advantage. In the playoffs, the team that gets hot wins. All I know is besides Curry and Thompson the rest of the team is shooting 30% from the 3 pt line.

Curry's only weakness is when you get physical with him, of course he is a great dribbler but if you body him up and at least contest a shot it will make all the difference in the world. He is just a little guy.

Yeah, Howard that at times shows greatness and at others get flustered, walk up the court and doesnt put any effort in, and cant make a free throw. Mozgov is shooting 82% from the free throw line.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Exactly...LBJ won't be able to keep up on the defensive end and still carry his team on the offensive side.

Why? Bc it's the Warriors lol. If he is guarding Barnes or Green he wont have to work very hard on on-ball matchups, just off the ball where he thrives.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Precursor...I've seen a lot more of the Cavs in the playoffs than the Warriors.

Assuming Irving is about as good as he was in game 4 of the Hawks series...I'm saying Cavs in 6 but if it goes 7...I would expect GS to close them out at home.

I remember the old Jamal Wilkes Warrior teams...to be honest until the broadcaster from the Knicks left the booth to coach them a few yrs ago, I'd forgotten OAK still had a team...good to see them re-surface.

 

[LAD]

Who said Mozgov or TT would be guarding Curry? LBJ would have no problem guarding Curry. He's just as fast and he's way bigger and he's also more experienced. However, he won't be guarding him. Shumpert will be the best guy to guard him in the playoffs except for maybe Conley, and that was by far the lowest scoring series of the playoffs for Curry.

The only difference between this Cleveland team and the one that beat up GS is Love isn't in, and with the way TT has played since Love got hurt, it hasn't been a big loss. Love averaged 7 RPG vs. Boston's anemic frontcourt; TT has averaged 11.1 vs. big men like Noah/Gasol and Horford/Millsap, all while only averaging about 2-3 ppg less than Love. He's the reason people in Cleveland aren't shaken up about the possibility of Love not re-signing with the team.

Finally, spouting off anything about the regular season means nothing; it's the postseason. Boston split the season series with Cleveland and then Cleveland swept them. Atlanta took 3/4 from Cleveland in the regular season and then Cleveland swept them. How much does that matter?

First, I didn't say either of them would be guarding Curry but used them as examples since that is Clevelands 'bigs'....im sure you can make the connection. The fact LBJ won't be guarding Curry is my point. Why put your best guy on someone you can't stop no matter what? And I agree that outside of LBJ Shump is probably your best bet against Steph, but be prepared for Shump to be in foul trouble.

I think there's also one other fact you conveniently left out in reference to the difference on the Cavs team in the reg season vs. now. Kyrie is limping around as well. And, isn't he one of the big 3??? So again, this isn't the same team that faced the Warriors in the reg season. Which brings me to your rant about spouting off about the reg season. Those things make a big difference since it changes the scheme of things...and THAT is the reason I brought the comparison up in the first place. Finally, I think it's great you have confidence in Thompson like you do but he doesn't have the experience Love has, period. I can't wait to see how he does against a top defending team that also happens to be a top offensive team such as the Warriors.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

you want to know something about the 2012 Thunder?

They did not have LeBron James.

I'll personally book the Cavs in AT LEAST 2 of the next 4 Finals- and probably more than that. They have LeBron and they play in the East and Kyrie is there for the next 5 years. End of Conversation.[/QUOTE]


You do realize that it 5 years James will be old as dirt?
He will have spent HALF OF HIS LIFE in the NBA, having played EXTENDED seasons.

Kyrie might be in a wheelchair league. He can't stay healthy.

 

[Across The Field]

Tony allen ?? He's the best defender warriors have faced in the playoffs. Also nobody can stop curry it has to be as a team

Did Allen guard Curry? Or was he guarding Thompson?

 

[LAD]

Or maybe bc they had a whole new team, system, and coach and started out 19-20. The seeds say absolutely nothing about who has the advantage. In the playoffs, the team that gets hot wins. All I know is besides Curry and Thompson the rest of the team is shooting 30% from the 3 pt line.

Curry's only weakness is when you get physical with him, of course he is a great dribbler but if you body him up and at least contest a shot it will make all the difference in the world. He is just a little guy.

Yeah, Howard that at times shows greatness and at others get flustered, walk up the court and doesnt put any effort in, and cant make a free throw. Mozgov is shooting 82% from the free throw line.

The seeding has everything to do with who has advantages. It decides the match ups in every single round. I think you might need to find a different way to make that your point there....whatever your point is/was. And the rest of the team may be shooting 30% from the 3 pt line, however, it hasn't stopped them from scoring in the paint which last time I checked is also allowed.

And in case you missed it, Memphis tried to wear the Warriors down by getting physical...I wonder how well that worked out for them. I totally agree about Howard. Thank goodness Bogut doesn't have the same philosophy.

 

[LAD]

Why? Bc it's the Warriors lol. If he is guarding Barnes or Green he wont have to work very hard on on-ball matchups, just off the ball where he thrives.

That's EXACTLY why. They're much younger and can run a LOT longer.

 

[Across The Field]

First, I didn't say either of them would be guarding Curry but used them as examples since that is Clevelands 'bigs'....im sure you can make the connection. The fact LBJ won't be guarding Curry is my point. Why put your best guy on someone you can't stop no matter what? And I agree that outside of LBJ Shump is probably your best bet against Steph, but be prepared for Shump to be in foul trouble.

I think there's also one other fact you conveniently left out in reference to the difference on the Cavs team in the reg season vs. now. Kyrie is limping around as well. And, isn't he one of the big 3??? So again, this isn't the same team that faced the Warriors in the reg season. Which brings me to your rant about spouting off about the reg season. Those things make a big difference since it changes the scheme of things...and THAT is the reason I brought the comparison up in the first place. Finally, I think it's great you have confidence in Thompson like you do but he doesn't have the experience Love has, period. I can't wait to see how he does against a top defending team that also happens to be a top offensive team such as the Warriors.

Why would you even mention our "bigs" when we're talking about who is going to guard Curry then? Doesn't make any sense. Also, the only time Cleveland played GS this year with Shumpert on the team, Curry went 5-17 and finished with 18 points, so I'd say Shump did a pretty damn good job.

In regards to Kyrie, did you not watch game 4 vs Atlanta? He wasn't limping around at all. He finished with 16/5/4 and only played 22 minutes, and with 8 days off to get healthy, I wouldn't plan on him limping around at all. Of course this doesn't mean he can't get hurt, but the way things stand as we speak, he doesn't appear to be hurt.

Also, what "experience" does Love have that you're referencing? This year was his first playoff season ever. Even when Love was healthy, TT was one of the best offensive rebounders in the entire NBA. Since he's the starter now, he's gotten even better. He has more than held his own against far better post players than what GS has to offer.

 

[LAD]

Why would you even mention our "bigs" when we're talking about who is going to guard Curry then? Doesn't make any sense. Also, the only time Cleveland played GS this year with Shumpert on the team, Curry went 5-17 and finished with 18 points, so I'd say Shump did a pretty damn good job.

In regards to Kyrie, did you not watch game 4 vs Atlanta? He wasn't limping around at all. He finished with 16/5/4 and only played 22 minutes, and with 8 days off to get healthy, I wouldn't plan on him limping around at all. Of course this doesn't mean he can't get hurt, but the way things stand as we speak, he doesn't appear to be hurt.

Also, what "experience" does Love have that you're referencing? This year was his first playoff season ever. Even when Love was healthy, TT was one of the best offensive rebounders in the entire NBA. Since he's the starter now, he's gotten even better. He has more than held his own against far better post players than what GS has to offer.

Well I mentioned the 'bigs' because usually it is their job to defend the rim, is it not??? And maybe you don't know that Steph is the point and he does penetrate which makes the defense switch A LOT. So yes, what I said makes a lot of sense. I agree those numbers would indicate Shump did a good job in THAT game. And I have no doubts the Cavs will win a game or two. But this is a SERIES...big difference my friend.

No honestly I didn't watch much of the Cleveland/ATL series but I'm pretty sure 22 minutes isn't what he normally plays in a game, right? I think you know where I'm going with this. LOL

And I'm talking about experience being in the league. Love is considered an all-star & a vet, yes?

 

[Hambombs]

Curry 5/17 for 18 points 3/9 from 3pt land 4 turnovers

sorry- its true, lol. SHUMP!!


thats the game LeBron went for 42 points and no one on Golden State could hold his jock. LEBron has made a career out of embarrassing Andre Iguadala. Green was on Love all game though- so itll be interesting to see where he is without Love out there.

It was a team effort don't get me wrong shump is a good defender but he's no tony allen or kahwi Leonard. Also curry did miss some open shots that game that he could of made

 

[Hambombs]

So pretty much cavs fans are saying we shouldn't show up for the finals. Shump and lebron are going to automatically make Thompson and curry go 0-15 each while LBJ WILL SCORE 50-60 points easily against us. While Thompson and mozgov are going to grab every board over bogut and green? While curry is a little guy at 6 foot 3 and 190 pounds who can't play against someone that's physical? Nobody is over 6 foot 8 to score on our team. Warriors shoot nothing but jumpers, they haven't taken the ball to the rim once this year! Does that sounds about right?

 

[gordontrue]

So pretty much cavs fans are saying we shouldn't show up for the finals.

We sure would appreciate it

 

[gordontrue]

Entering an 8 day layoff and the NBA board is as active as I've seen it

 

[LAD]

So pretty much cavs fans are saying we shouldn't show up for the finals. Shump and lebron are going to automatically make Thompson and curry go 0-15 each while LBJ WILL SCORE 50-60 points easily against us. While Thompson and mozgov are going to grab every board over bogut and green? While curry is a little guy at 6 foot 3 and 190 pounds who can't play against someone that's physical? Nobody is over 6 foot 8 to score on our team. Warriors shoot nothing but jumpers, they haven't taken the ball to the rim once this year! Does that sounds about right?

Well when you put it that way...why would the Warriors ever think they would have a chance???

 

[Across The Field]

It was a team effort don't get me wrong shump is a good defender but he's no tony allen or kahwi Leonard. Also curry did miss some open shots that game that he could of made

Evidently he doesn't need to be Allen or Leonard. He was plenty good himself.

Well I mentioned the 'bigs' because usually it is their job to defend the rim, is it not??? And maybe you don't know that Steph is the point and he does penetrate which makes the defense switch A LOT. So yes, what I said makes a lot of sense. I agree those numbers would indicate Shump did a good job in THAT game. And I have no doubts the Cavs will win a game or two. But this is a SERIES...big difference my friend.

No honestly I didn't watch much of the Cleveland/ATL series but I'm pretty sure 22 minutes isn't what he normally plays in a game, right? I think you know where I'm going with this. LOL

And I'm talking about experience being in the league. Love is considered an all-star & a vet, yes?

Every defense has to switch in every game. Still not sure what your point is. Curry makes his hay on the perimeter, not driving, so having a top-tier wing defender like Shumpert means a lot. I never tried saying our bigs were going to shut down Curry, but he's also not going to be burning them all game, so it's a moot point. If you want to keep trying to make a point be my guest, but you're falling short right now.

22 minutes isn't what he normally plays but he didn't need to play more than that because we were winning big. The majority of those minutes game in the first 3 quarters (it may have been all of them now that I think of it). He could've easily played more but there was no use. He also got banged around several times and jumped right up. Dude is healthy right now, like it or not.

Love was an all-star in Minny, but he was definitely a third wheel this season in Cleveland. The numbers don't lie; TT has played just as well in the playoffs as Love, and as a starter he's done it against much tougher competition.

 

[LAD]

We sure would appreciate it

I'm sure the self proclaimed king would appreciate something being handed to him.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

FWIW Curry had a better defensive RPM than Chris Paul

 

[LAD]

Evidently he doesn't need to be Allen or Leonard. He was plenty good himself.



Every defense has to switch in every game. Still not sure what your point is. Curry makes his hay on the perimeter, not driving, so having a top-tier wing defender like Shumpert means a lot. I never tried saying our bigs were going to shut down Curry, but he's also not going to be burning them all game, so it's a moot point. If you want to keep trying to make a point be my guest, but you're falling short right now.

22 minutes isn't what he normally plays but he didn't need to play more than that because we were winning big. The majority of those minutes game in the first 3 quarters (it may have been all of them now that I think of it). He could've easily played more but there was no use. He also got banged around several times and jumped right up. Dude is healthy right now, like it or not.

Love was an all-star in Minny, but he was definitely a third wheel this season in Cleveland. The numbers don't lie; TT has played just as well in the playoffs as Love, and as a starter he's done it against much tougher competition.

Just because you don't understand a point doesn't mean it isn't a good one or that I'm falling short. And honestly, I don't know how else to explain it so you can understand...moving on.

So let me ask you this. Do you really think your team won't need more than 22 minutes from Kyrie to beat the Warriors? Be honest. Kyrie hasn't been 'healthy' in a long time, like it or not. And you were winning big against a team that didn't have many shooters cause Delly was taking out their legs...come on!

What tougher competition has Thompson played against? The Nets? The Hawks? Stop it, please.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

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