giants post game

[Rowdy]

Good to know that you believe that pass catchers have NO ability to make bad passes good. For the record, Just like QB's who have pinpoint placement, so are pass catchers who turn bad passes into completed ones. The over-hype of QB's is astounding in this era. I'm not buying the one-sided BS.

No. What I know is there is no such thing as a perfect qb and same with wr. The fact is as dad says this team would be pure shit without kc. He isn’t easily replaced as you say he is and I have no idea how you can say that after watching this team for the last 20 years or so. Kc has played with backups for the majority of the year

 

[Rowdy]

The dude reads defenses well and is accurate for the most part. There is still room for improvement of course and he will no doubt in my mind

 

[Rowdy]

I don’t take offense to dean saying it was a bad throw cause it was. I do take offense to dean saying it was a bad decision cause it wasn’t

 

[skinsdad62]

Offensive Line (Team)- The makeshift line gave up 6 sacks to a Giant’s team that still ranks bottom-12 in sacks and sack percentage after this game.

Six of the Giants’ seven QB hits came on the dropbacks Cousins was sacked on, which is something you could view in either a positive or negative light.

The O-line fared much better in the running game, as they set the Redskins up for their second straight 100-yard rushing game.

Ty Nsekhe- Nsekhe disappointed in his first start of the year. He was tasked with the difficult assignment of blocking Olivier Vernon, but that does not excuse his poor performance in this game.

He gave up 2 sacks to Vernon, committed 2 holdings penalties and was called for a false start (3 total penalties). Luckily, Nsekhe was able to save a little face, because two of those penalties were declined.

Arie Kouandijo- Kouandijo had not allowed a single pressure on his 57 passing-blocking snaps in 2017 and was particularity impressive in his lone start of the year (at Seattle).

Things didn’t go as well for him against the Giants. Kouandijo allowed a sack to Dalvin Tomlinson inside the Giants’ red zone on a drive the Redskins would have to settle for a field goal. On the offense’s very next drive, he committed a holding penalty and then gave up a sack to Devon Kennard on the very next play.

So, Kouandijo may have cost the team 4 points on one drive and he basically single-handedly stalled another drive. Two sacks and a holding penalty does not make for a good day at the office.

Tony Bergstrom- The Redskins’ third-string center made his first start for the team on Thursday night.

Bergstrom played all 71 snaps and was primarily responsible for giving up a 5-yard sack to Damon “Snacks” Harrison on a play from midfield. The Redskins would end up turning the ball over on downs two plays later.

His 41.3 PFF grade on the year is the fifth lowest rating among the 44 centers who the site has graded this season.

Brandon Scherff- Scherff had another very strong outing this week. He did not allow a sack and was instrumental in the team’s 100-yard rushing day.

When Morgan Moses went out for a few plays, Scherff was the only remaining starter left standing. That is a feeling Moses knows all too well.

Morgan Moses- Moses fought through multiple injuries in the game and only missed 4 snaps.

He gave up a 10-yard sack to JPP on an early fourth quarter third-down play.

Tyler Catalina- Tyler Catalina came in to spell an injured Morgan Moses at right tackle for 4 snaps.

In the past month alone Catalina has made two starts at guard, been waived by the Redskins, been re-signed by the team and played as a backup tackle.

Demetrius Rhaney- Rhaney was one of three active Redskins who did not play in any capacity.

The fourth-year vet was signed two days before the game. He was brought in to be used as an emergency center if Bergstrom suffered an injury.

Rhaney is a 2014 7th-round pick with just 1 start and 123 offensive snaps to his credit. He will almost certainly be let go when Chase Roullier is healthy enough to play again.

Chase Roullier- Per PFF Spencer Long allowed 5 pressures over the course of 223 pass-blocking snaps this season. That is exactly the same number of pressures Chase Roullier has given up in 2017, albeit on 42 less passing plays (181 passing-blocking snaps).

He’s been right there with Long as a run blocker, as well. He’s actually earned a better PFF grade (57.3) than Long has (52.1) in this regard.

Roullier missed the Giants game with a broken hand, but has a shot to return next week against the Cowboys.

Trent Williams- Trent Williams was inactive for the third time this year, which is a personal record for the 5-time Pro Bowler. Williams had never missed more than two games in a season due to injury prior to Thursday

not exactly great like dean said

 

[skinsdad62]

See, I don't buy that turf monster excuse, it's just another way of saying that Kirk had NO responsibility in the way he controlled his foot placement. Sure the field was horrible, I made a point of it during the game. Yeah shit happens during a game, and for us it's usually something not good for our guy. Manning didn't have that issue, Kirk did. If he felt pressure, that's on him, and one of my chief complaints about the guy.

Sure the ball was catchable, just unnecessarily difficult to do so.

I did notice that @Dean added things as the conversation progressed, it was the correct target but an absolutely horrible throw.

I disagree we are 5-6 with Kirk and 5-6 without Kirk. NOT the Browns. It is a testament to our scouting department and especially Gruden and Co. in getting this team ready to compete every week despite of the number of obstacles its faced. I absolutely refuse to believe that this team is similar to the Cowboys because of the absence of one offensive player they become bad.

kizer nor colt gets us more then 2 wins

 

[Stymietee]

No. What I know is there is no such thing as a perfect qb and same with wr. The fact is as dad says this team would be pure shit without kc. He isn’t easily replaced as you say he is and I have no idea how you can say that after watching this team for the last 20 years or so. Kc has played with backups for the majority of the year

No player is irreplaceable....none!! We both have differing opinions on this and I just don't see us reaching an agreement beyond Kirk being a pretty good QB.

we are 5-6 with Kirk and would be 5-6 without him. Truthfully, I don't understand how anyone can't see the job that Gruden and Co. are doing this year. Put another way...Kirk is the trigger not the hammer (OL) and certainly NOT the gun (system). Can you make a gun operate without a trigger....Absolutely!!

 

[Rowdy]

kizer nor colt gets us more then 2 wins

Agree and you can add a bunch more in there including Prescott

 

[gkekoa]

I think that there's a Cousins blindness at work here, so let me ask:

1. what does a bad pass look like when he's the QB?

Byron Marshall stands 5' 9" (69 inches) tall, his vertical is 29.5 inches and his arm length is 30.25 inches long (59.75 inches). He had to leap just to get his hands on the ball that was clearly over his head possibly still going up, maybe not. We also know that for whatever reason, Kirk's mechanics were way out of sync and looking at the replay Marshall's arms were fully extended. We are not sure if he completely used the entirety of his vertical capabilities.


There's also this, the old receivers rule, if it hits your hand/ hands then you should catch it. That is true, however, that's about catching the ball, not how awful the pass was to begin with. My question stands!

The pass was bad. The INT is on the receiver.

 

[Rowdy]

No player is irreplaceable....none!! We both have differing opinions on this and I just don't see us reaching an agreement beyond Kirk being a pretty good QB.

we are 5-6 with Kirk and would be 5-6 without him. Truthfully, I don't understand how anyone can't see the job that Gruden and Co. are doing this year. Put another way...Kirk is the trigger not the hammer (OL) and certainly NOT the gun (system). Can you make a gun operate without a trigger....Absolutely!!

The coaches do deserve a lot of credit as well as Kirk. Hell the whole team deserves credit because again it’s a TEAM game

 

[Stymietee]

kizer nor colt gets us more then 2 wins

OK....if you say so, and maybe I agree especially with Colt, but there are so many others who can operate as well as Kirk does in J. Gruden's offensive system.

You know, this reminds me of the whole Kia Forbath debate that once was here. So many stood against the few of us who said that he should and could be easily replaced. Remember what the arguments against that were?

1. He's the best that we've had since.......

2. He's a record setter

3. Some even said that we couldn't get someone better.

Well...just like this whole Kirk debate.......guess what happened?

 

[Stymietee]

The pass was bad. The INT is on the receiver.

Now that's funny...go check the record and see if it says that Byron Marshall threw a pick 6......I'll wait!!

Hey if the current mantra is to over credit them for the good, then they also get overly blamed for the bad.

 

[Rowdy]

OK....if you say so, and maybe I agree especially with Colt, but there are so many others who can operate as well as Kirk does in J. Gruden's offensive system.

You know, this reminds me of the whole Kia Forbath debate that once was here. So many stood against the few of us who said that he should and could be easily replaced. Remember what the arguments against that were?

1. He's the best that we've had since.......

2. He's a record setter

3. Some even said that we couldn't get someone better.

Well...just like this whole Kirk debate.......guess what happened?

It’s a hell of a lot easier to take that chance with a kicker. When you have a qb that’s played as well as Kirk you don’t take that chance. I’m not against drafting another qb somewhere in the draft as long as Kirk is signed

 

[Stymietee]

It’s a hell of a lot easier to take that chance with a kicker. When you have a qb that’s played as well as Kirk you don’t take that chance. I’m not against drafting another qb somewhere in the draft as long as Kirk is signed

WOW....miss the point much?

 

[Rowdy]

WOW....miss the point much?

No not really you said we are having the same argument as we did with the kicker and how that situation turned out

 

[gkekoa]

Now that's funny...go check the record and see if it says that Byron Marshall threw a pick 6......I'll wait!!

Hey if the current mantra is to over credit them for the good, then they also get overly blamed for the bad.

A ball that hits the Receiver in the chest and bounces into the sky and is intercepted, is that the QBs fault? This is the same thing except it was a poor pass.

We are talking common sense...not a stat sheet.

 

[Rowdy]

OK....if you say so, and maybe I agree especially with Colt, but there are so many others who can operate as well as Kirk does in J. Gruden's offensive system.

You know, this reminds me of the whole Kia Forbath debate that once was here. So many stood against the few of us who said that he should and could be easily replaced. Remember what the arguments against that were?

1. He's the best that we've had since.......

2. He's a record setter

3. Some even said that we couldn't get someone better.

Well...just like this whole Kirk debate.......guess what happened?

Who are these so many others you speak of?

 

[Stymietee]

No not really you said we are having the same argument as we did with the kicker and how that situation turned out

Correct, same argumentative points and how that situation turned out....NOT who or what position was involved in it. You introduced that as the focal point and as such, missed the point. I understand that people are reluctant to change, especially in this (Cousins) unnecessary situation. Unfortunately, we have been in this spot for several years now. Unless there's a complete turn-a-round, Kirk's gone. At that point we either move on or wallow in our misery.....That is until....the collective we realize that replacing him was or wasn't as difficult.

As I've said on many occasions, I personally don't give a flat damn if Dan Snyder offers Kirk half or full ownership of the team, but three years running is enough BS. Get something done and let's move on.

 

[Stymietee]

Who are these so many others you speak of?

Seriously??? As I remember it there were just a few who wanted Forbath replaced, Not more than 3 or 4 of us if that. It's an easy search.

 

[Rowdy]

Now that's funny...go check the record and see if it says that Byron Marshall threw a pick 6......I'll wait!!

Hey if the current mantra is to over credit them for the good, then they also get overly blamed for the bad.

3. Washington has blamed injuries for their woes this season, and probably rightfully so, but the mistakes they made ultimately kept this one close. There was a Jenkins pick-six that the corner was only able to grab because of running back Byron Marshall's drop. There was a third-down Josh Doctson catch where he inexplicably ran out of bounds short of the sticks. There was a blunder of epic proportions when the Redskins tried to down a punt inside the 10-yard line (more on that later). In the fourth quarter, they couldn't decide whether or not to go for it on fourth-and-1 from the New York 40-yard line, so they burned a timeout to avoid a delay of game. It's tough to win with the myriad of injuries they've had this season. It's even tougher when there are that many avoidable miscues in four quarters of football.

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[reptec101]

3. Washington has blamed injuries for their woes this season, and probably rightfully so, but the mistakes they made ultimately kept this one close. There was a Jenkins pick-six that the corner was only able to grab because of running back Byron Marshall's drop. There was a third-down Josh Doctson catch where he inexplicably ran out of bounds short of the sticks. There was a blunder of epic proportions when the Redskins tried to down a punt inside the 10-yard line (more on that later). In the fourth quarter, they couldn't decide whether or not to go for it on fourth-and-1 from the New York 40-yard line, so they burned a timeout to avoid a delay of game. It's tough to win with the myriad of injuries they've had this season. It's even tougher when there are that many avoidable miscues in four quarters of football.

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They're so many rules it's hard to fault a young player to not know everyone, but to run a ball into the endzone on a punt is pretty bad, and I'm sure the embarrassment is still stinging him. When we play Dallas next thursday night we can't be doing stupid sheet like that.