giants post game

[deanpet21]

Just having fun with ya,,, I know you love the skins. Just gotta get you on board with Kirk cause without him we aint even a 500 team. Gruden said as much in his presser. He just keeps getting better. BTW, that pick 6 was not on him.

I know KC is good for this team with Gruden. I evaluate him fairly. Stat wise he is having a very good year. I disagree on the pick 6. His mechanics were off ball was high. I know the turf monster got him but why force the throw Just eat it we weren't getting the first down anyways. Put the Giants right back in the game. He made up for it with the Docston TD throw, now that was a franchise QB throw.

 

[gkekoa]

I know KC is good for this team with Gruden. I evaluate him fairly. Stat wise he is having a very good year. I disagree on the pick 6. His mechanics were off ball was high. I know the turf monster got him but why force the throw Just eat it we weren't getting the first down anyways. Put the Giants right back in the game. He made up for it with the Docston TD throw, now that was a franchise QB throw.

So the player is open, it hit both of his hands, the receiver deflects the ball into the air, and the CB who was ten feet away when it hit the backs hands but it is still KC’s fault and he should just eat the ball rather than throw to the wide open player and hope he can make a play?

 

[reptec101]

Not his fault,,, yes he was stumbling and the ball was a tad high and probably would have been tackled short of the first anyway but a professional football player, a RB at that, should make that grab... and as Gkek pointed out,,, ya never know if he would have shimmied with a little shake and up the field he goes.

 

[Sportster 72]

I accept what Cooley said this morning. He picked the right guy to throw to, everything was right except his mechanics which caused the ball to be high but catchable. Normally on a play like that it goes through the guys hands if he doesn't catch. Just bad luck that it popped straight up.

 

[deanpet21]

Not his fault,,, yes he was stumbling and the ball was a tad high and probably would have been tackled short of the first anyway but a professional football player, a RB at that, should make that grab... and as Gkek pointed out,,, ya never know if he would have shimmied with a little shake and up the field he goes.

This is what I mean by evaluating KC fairly. The pass was high and its a tough catch for a Rb basically off the street to make. There was no reason to rush that pass or make that throw in a tight game where your defense is dominating. He said in his PC that he thought he was going to get stripped sacked, I didn't see anyone near him. The play was on him. Just own it. The defense kept giving our offense short fields to score by basically shutting down Manning.

Im not hating on KC but you have to admit even KC lovers that it was an unnecessary throw. His feet were awful. This is what I mean by evaluating fairly. Even his mistakes wont get noticed on this board. He finished well no doubt but admit the mistake.

 

[reptec101]

This is what I mean by evaluating KC fairly. The pass was high and its a tough catch for a Rb basically off the street to make. There was no reason to rush that pass or make that throw in a tight game where your defense is dominating. He said in his PC that he thought he was going to get stripped sacked, I didn't see anyone near him. The play was on him. Just own it. The defense kept giving our offense short fields to score by basically shutting down Manning.

Im not hating on KC but you have to admit even KC lovers that it was an unnecessary throw. His feet were awful. This is what I mean by evaluating fairly. Even his mistakes wont get noticed on this board. He finished well no doubt but admit the mistake.

Dude, I could have caught that ball... I can jump 6inches off the ground and catch a lazily thrown ball. Listen, I agree,,, it was a bad awkward throw that should not have been made.... but it was, and the RB has to catch a powder puff pass with no defender near him even if he has to jump a few inches off the ground. KC isn't gonna have a QBR of 80+ every game... but that particular pass should have been caught and a punt ensued.

Not saying KC is in the class of the elites but he's the next tier up and we can win under him.... we have no line and no RB once again for him to operate. Just imagine KC in Dallas with their front line and RB. He would be elite.

 

[deanpet21]

Dude, I could have caught that ball... I can jump 6inches off the ground and catch a lazily thrown ball. Listen, I agree,,, it was a bad awkward throw that should not have been made.... but it was, and the RB has to catch a powder puff pass with no defender near him even if he has to jump a few inches off the ground. KC isn't gonna have a QBR of 80+ every game... but that particular pass should have been caught and a punt ensued.

Not saying KC is in the class of the elites but he's the next tier up and we can win under him.... we have no line and no RB once again for him to operate. Just imagine KC in Dallas with their front line and RB. He would be elite.

From what I remember Marshall was at full extension fading back and it bounced off his fingers. Its a tough catch for a RB. Especially one who hasn't played alot. That wasn't an easy catch by no means. No doubt we can win with KC. I wouldn't discount the running game last night. Perine did well in the 2nd half and the oline opened up holes. Kc did produce in the clutch with the Doctson TD pass.

I don't expect Kc to be elite every game but when your defense plays like that I thought we would of blew out the Giants.

 

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[gkekoa]

This is what I mean by evaluating KC fairly. The pass was high and its a tough catch for a Rb basically off the street to make. There was no reason to rush that pass or make that throw in a tight game where your defense is dominating. He said in his PC that he thought he was going to get stripped sacked, I didn't see anyone near him. The play was on him. Just own it. The defense kept giving our offense short fields to score by basically shutting down Manning.

Im not hating on KC but you have to admit even KC lovers that it was an unnecessary throw. His feet were awful. This is what I mean by evaluating fairly. Even his mistakes wont get noticed on this board. He finished well no doubt but admit the mistake.

We all evaluate KC fairly, except you.

Nobody said it was a great pass. Everybody knows the pass was high but catchable. Everybody knows that the RB is to blame for the INT, except you. Everybody knows the mechanics were affected by KC’s cleat being stuck in the turf, except you.

No it wasn’t an unnecessary throw. It was the right throw. He went through his progressions and threw to a RB wide open in the flat. Again, there isn’t a single QB in the NFL that doesn’t make that pass if they see their player open.

 

[skinsdad62]

marshal was a 1000 yd wr in college so he isnt "just a RB " it was unfortunate that is all

but you throw to an open wr and its stupid not too , stupid

 

[deanpet21]

marshal was a 1000 yd wr in college so he isnt "just a RB " it was unfortunate that is all

but you throw to an open wr and its stupid not too , stupid

so bad mechanics don't mean anything? lol. The throw was high you cant deny that.

 

[skinsdad62]

so bad mechanics don't mean anything? lol. The throw was high you cant deny that.

for god sakes dean who said mechanics didnt hurt ?

damn sometimes you just argue to argue

marshal is a former 1000 yd wr in college so he isnt your garden variety RB and if you researched anything you would know that

instead you try to flip the argument to something it wasnt about which was correcting your talking point

and this is why everyone laughs at you when you say you evaluate fairly

the truth is the pass was unfortunate

 

[deanpet21]

for god sakes dean who said mechanics didnt hurt ?

damn sometimes you just argue to argue

marshal is a former 1000 yd wr in college so he isnt your garden variety RB and if you researched anything you would know that

instead you try to flip the argument to something it wasnt about which was correcting your talking point

and this is why everyone laughs at you when you say you evaluate fairly

the truth is the pass was unfortunate

the truth is the pass was high. You are giving KC a free pass for it as always. There was no rush coming. there was no need to throw the ball. I put the high pass and pick on KC. That is evaluating fairly. Just b/c Marshall got his fingers or hands on it doesn't mean he should of caught it.

 

[skinsdad62]

the truth is the pass was high. You are giving KC a free pass for it as always. There was no rush coming. there was no need to throw the ball. I put the high pass and pick on KC. That is evaluating fairly. Just b/c Marshall got his fingers or hands on it doesn't mean he should of caught it.

yes there was a need to throw it , its called hitting an open receiver and keeping a drive going . that was a catchable ball .

but you just want to take a swipe at KC

yes the pass was high yes his toe got got in the turf , so he has part of that int but that ball should have been caught period by an ex wr

 

[deanpet21]

yes there was a need to throw it , its called hitting an open receiver and keeping a drive going . that was a catchable ball .

but you just want to take a swipe at KC

yes the pass was high yes his toe got got in the turf , so he has part of that int but that ball should have been caught period by an ex wr

No swipe. The throw was rushed when it didnt have to be. I don't expect Marshall to make that catch. They guy just started to play a week ago. The ball didn't hit him in the numbers or the face.

 

[skinsdad62]

No swipe. The throw was rushed when it didnt have to be. I don't expect Marshall to make that catch. They guy just started to play a week ago. The ball didn't hit him in the numbers or the face.

if you dont expect an ex wr , a thousand yd one at that , to make that catch or at least not volley ball it up then you are exposed for lack of seeing talent or just another hater .

the throw was not rushed , his toe stuck in the turf

 

[deanpet21]

if you dont expect an ex wr , a thousand yd one at that , to make that catch or at least not volley ball it up then you are exposed for lack of seeing talent or just another hater .

the throw was not rushed , his toe stuck in the turf

I know but he said in his PC that he felt rushed. He wasn't. That was not a easy catch. The pass was off b/c of the turf monster. It was unfortunate the way the ball bounced the way it did but that is what happens with high throws. A full extension going to the flat is a hard thing to do. His momentum was taking him out of bounce. I don't think Crowder or Grant make that play.

 

[skinsdad62]

I know but he said in his PC that he felt rushed. He wasn't. That was not a easy catch. The pass was off b/c of the turf monster. It was unfortunate the way the ball bounced the way it did but that is what happens with high throws. A full extension going to the flat is a hard thing to do. His momentum was taking him out of bounce. I don't think Crowder or Grant make that play.

i think both do

 

[gkekoa]

the truth is the pass was high. You are giving KC a free pass for it as always. There was no rush coming. there was no need to throw the ball. I put the high pass and pick on KC. That is evaluating fairly. Just b/c Marshall got his fingers or hands on it doesn't mean he should of caught it.

The pass was high.

The pass allowed the receiver, RB, to get both hands on the ball which means it should be caught.

If the pass should be caught, and it bounces off the receivers hands, the INT is 100% on the receiver.

A receiver not being able to advance the ball or having it punched out can be the QBs fault.

That was not the case...this is 100% the receiver.