GDT (67) - 3/10 Sharks at Coyotes - 5:00PM

[shrksfn9192]

Now time for the cheap postgame cliche quotes from the losers. Embarrassment all around.

 

[Mr. Teal]

This game is one of the most disappointing all season.
There is way too much talent on this team for this team to be so bad.

 

[Destroydacre]

Oh well, look on the bright side: we don't have to watch them perform their annual fold-o-rama in the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs lol.

Heh, it's probably just as well if they don't make the playoffs. They were due for another first round choke anyway.

 

[shrksfn9192]

This game is one of the most disappointing all season.
There is way too much talent on this team for this team to be so bad.

Sums it up. This team and the organization are flawed when it comes to the intangibles.

 

[filosofy29]

This game is one of the most disappointing all season.
There is way too much talent on this team for this team to be so bad.

This.

I think DWil's problem is that he doesn't have an overall gameplan. He is more of a reactionary GM. He's damn good with trades, treating players well and finding late-round gems. Unfortunately though, the Sharks don't have an identity. I think McLellan's system would be great on the Red Wings because they have guys who go to the net like Holmstrom, Franzen and Bertuzzi. The Sharks have zero net front presence so the "shoot first" mentality of McLellan all goes for naught. McLellan needs to switch up his philosophy because he doesn't have the players to accomplish what it is he wants done. He keeps banging his head against the rock.

Can you guys honestly think about what the Sharks "identity" is? I really don't know. They're not a tough to play against team, they're not a finesse team, they're not a defensive team.....what are they exactly? I like DWil, but I think this has been his biggest downfall.

Anyway lady and gents, have a good evening. This has really been a tough season to watch, but like someone else said earlier, at least it's happening early and not in the 3rd Round, lol.

 

[madcap9999]

Now time for the cheap postgame cliche quotes from the losers. Embarrassment all around.

The one I like is the popular "Yeah, it was a tough loss but we're not going to hang our heads here."

Well, the players know they don't have any real offensive strategy and they also know their coaching is not helping create one, so why not hang their heads? .

 

[Ties5o11]

Under .500. Wow, its been a while that the Sharks were under .500 this late in the season.

I see a lot of "theres too much talent for this". But really? Is there really too much talent? Is it possible this team is just not that good. A lot of our top players are getting older. The D is probably below average, if you compare roster to roster.

Hopefully they can get hot and sneak a playoff spot. And if they are going into the playoffs hot.... well you never know.

 

[shrksfn9192]

After tomorrow's games are completed, the Sharks could be in 11th but still with 3 games in hand over COL and 2 games each over CGY and LA. Despite this awful 4-11-3 slump, the race is tightly packed. If they can somehow get a good streak going, there is plenty of time. IF

 

[SJVP408]

Thinking about how many meaningful playoff games the core guys have played over the past 6 years, maybe it's better to miss the playoffs this season so they know what they missed and get a full offseason of rest.

 

[sjrules99]

This game is one of the most disappointing all season.
There is way too much talent on this team for this team to be so bad.

Too much talent? What talent? They have 5 forwards and 2 defense that are in any way a threat. That means 11 of the 18 guys who lace em up every day are complete wastes of space, at least offensively. With the way clowe have been playing over the last month and a half, one can add him to that list, leaving the sharks with 4 threats up front and two on the blue line. Of those threats, the top 2 forwards and top defenseman are at least mid thirties and might be losing steam. They only have 2 forwards under 32 and 1 Dman under 36 that are any threat. This so called talent is a myth. If jumbo or patty dont score, it's like an automatic loss. The yotes top 9 scorers are Whitney, vrbata, Doan, Yandle, Korpikosky, Hanzal, Ekman-larsson, langkow, gordon. How many goals did they get? 0. When was the last time, the sharks didnt get a goal from one of their top 5 and still won a game? After researching, it was Jan 21st in a 1-0 win over Calgary. The goal scorer? Benn Ferriero, who has scored a bunch of big goals for this team, but is of course riding the pine in place of guys with fewer goals in double the games who also suck defensively. Bad coaching at its best.

Simply put, the sharks dont actually have much talent. If other teams can shut down jumbo-patty-pavs, the game is over.

 

[MrChangoT97]

did anybody see TMac's face and body language after Wingels handed PHX their 3rd goal. He had a look that said "fuck me, what else can go wrong?"

 

[li0lsh]

Watched the first and they looked good. What happened?!

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Too much talent? What talent? They have 5 forwards and 2 defense that are in any way a threat. That means 11 of the 18 guys who lace em up every day are complete wastes of space, at least offensively. With the way clowe have been playing over the last month and a half, one can add him to that list, leaving the sharks with 4 threats up front and two on the blue line. Of those threats, the top 2 forwards and top defenseman are at least mid thirties and might be losing steam. They only have 2 forwards under 32 and 1 Dman under 36 that are any threat. This so called talent is a myth. If jumbo or patty dont score, it's like an automatic loss. The yotes top 9 scorers are Whitney, vrbata, Doan, Yandle, Korpikosky, Hanzal, Ekman-larsson, langkow, gordon. How many goals did they get? 0. When was the last time, the sharks didnt get a goal from one of their top 5 and still won a game? After researching, it was Jan 21st in a 1-0 win over Calgary. The goal scorer? Benn Ferriero, who has scored a bunch of big goals for this team, but is of course riding the pine in place of guys with fewer goals in double the games who also suck defensively. Bad coaching at its best.

Simply put, the sharks dont actually have much talent. If other teams can shut down jumbo-patty-pavs, the game is over.

So if you don't score you're a waste of space? There's about 650 NHL players who'd take issue with that point of view.

 

[sjrules99]

cmon, read my post... I said "waste of space, at least offensively". Someone like pickles is obviously not a waste of space in all, but he is offensively. excluding his 7 pts in 3 games blip in november, he has 13 pts and just 3 goals in the other 63 games. He's great defensively, but a nearly black hole offensively. Murray actually hurts the offense as I have yet to see him do anything good on the other half of the red line. Braun has potential but isnt there yet and demers has taken such a leap backward, that he is pretty useless too. Other than boyle and burns, they have zero. That means about 70% of the defensive ice time is eaten up by guys who actually hurt the offensive game.

At forward, I actually think the bottom six is bad defensively and offensively. Nearly all of them are minus players and the PK sucks. So, where exactly can they be considered good? they dont shut down opponents top lines regularly as evidenced by their minuses and the sharks' losses. They are pretty much all offensive black holes as well. Mitchell, moore, handzus, desjardins, winchester, wingels, winnik (the lose line?), galiardi, vandermeer... all completely useless offensively. None are likely to reach 30 points and maybe none will reach 10 goals. That would leave the sharks with 5 forwards in double digit goals. If that happens, I would bet that the sharks might end up the only team in the NHL who can boast that.

I know that I sometimes focus too much on offense, but I actually largely believe that the best defense is a good offense. When teams play well offensively, and most importantly, when they have 3 legit scoring lines, then they can roll one line after the next and the other team never gets a break, because if htey manage to get it out, they can barely change before the next line jumps out and puts the pressure right back on. The sharks cannot do that becasue even if the jumbo line has a 50 second shift in the offensive zone, the next line will have to have at least one, if not all three, offensive black holes, making it much easier to defend and very hard to maintain wave after wave.

 

[MacJ88]

It's time to clean house. I WANT EVERYBODY WHO IS NOT NAMED LOGAN COUTURE, GONE!!!

 

[Cmon_WTF]

cmon, read my post... I said "waste of space, at least offensively". Someone like pickles is obviously not a waste of space in all, but he is offensively. excluding his 7 pts in 3 games blip in november, he has 13 pts and just 3 goals in the other 63 games. He's great defensively, but a nearly black hole offensively. Murray actually hurts the offense as I have yet to see him do anything good on the other half of the red line. Braun has potential but isnt there yet and demers has taken such a leap backward, that he is pretty useless too. Other than boyle and burns, they have zero. That means about 70% of the defensive ice time is eaten up by guys who actually hurt the offensive game.

At forward, I actually think the bottom six is bad defensively and offensively. Nearly all of them are minus players and the PK sucks. So, where exactly can they be considered good? they dont shut down opponents top lines regularly as evidenced by their minuses and the sharks' losses. They are pretty much all offensive black holes as well. Mitchell, moore, handzus, desjardins, winchester, wingels, winnik (the lose line?), galiardi, vandermeer... all completely useless offensively. None are likely to reach 30 points and maybe none will reach 10 goals. That would leave the sharks with 5 forwards in double digit goals. If that happens, I would bet that the sharks might end up the only team in the NHL who can boast that.

I know that I sometimes focus too much on offense, but I actually largely believe that the best defense is a good offense. When teams play well offensively, and most importantly, when they have 3 legit scoring lines, then they can roll one line after the next and the other team never gets a break, because if htey manage to get it out, they can barely change before the next line jumps out and puts the pressure right back on. The sharks cannot do that becasue even if the jumbo line has a 50 second shift in the offensive zone, the next line will have to have at least one, if not all three, offensive black holes, making it much easier to defend and very hard to maintain wave after wave.

What I've been trying to point out to you for a while now with the bottom six forwards, or more accurately the 3rd line, is that they can contribute to the offense without scoring points.

The line of Winnik - Moore - Mitchell are tops on the team in terms of forcing posession and maintaining it in the offensive zone. By doing so they are able to allow the players who are accually paid to score to start their shifts off or take a faceoff in the offensive zone which is far more conducive to scoring. The 3rd line has continually managed to do this despite starting a vast majority of their shifts deep in defensive zone agaist the other teams top scoring lines when McLellan can get that match up.

Yes, I'd like to see them score more on their own but at the same time I have to acknowledge that they are continually being put at a huge disadvantage for scoring by where they start most of their shifts and are often called for a line change shortly after gaining posession in the offensive zone.

 

[MrFlyingV]

Thankfully another one I missed

 

[Cbrower91]

Man its a good thing this thread is kept around because in about 3 weeks there are going to be atleast 4 people having a mother fucking crow buffett. It's the first sustained slump of the year, Vancouver,ChiTown,Detroit, and Nashville all went through them. The only team in the west who hasnt has been St Louis, and come playoff time 1st round is when im predicting the BOO's to hit said losing streak.

 

[Destroydacre]

Man its a good thing this thread is kept around because in about 3 weeks there are going to be atleast 4 people having a mother fucking crow buffett. It's the first sustained slump of the year, Vancouver,ChiTown,Detroit, and Nashville all went through them. The only team in the west who hasnt has been St Louis, and come playoff time 1st round is when im predicting the BOO's to hit said losing streak.

I don't know. In past seasons I've felt the same way, but this year there's just something very off about this team. I really don't know what, but I'm extremely worried about their chances of making the playoffs. The Minnesota game was very telling IMO. They lose their coach to an injury, they lose Cooch because he got rocked twice and what was their response? They blow a lead in the last 5 minutes and get zero points (btw Minnesota is the only team that has fewer wins than the Sharks since the all star game). The Sharks have won 5 games since the start of February. That's not a slump, this is going on six weeks now. In those 19 games, the Sharks have given up fewer than 3 goals just 4 times. This team is broken and I am honestly questioning whether the Sharks have what it takes. I really don't think they do. Even if they do manage to get into the playoff picture, they're most likely looking at playing St. Louis, Detroit or Vancouver in the first round. Can the Sharks beat any of those teams in a best of 7 series? I don't think there's gonna be much crow this year. Historically March/April is when the Sharks have played very well and put themselves into a good position for a playoff run. So far this year the Sharks are 0 for March and they're showing no signs of playing anything even remotely resembling good or successful hockey. We'll see if they prove me wrong, I would love for them to. But like I said I see zero signs that offer any hope of that actually happening.

 

[Cbrower91]

I don't know. In past seasons I've felt the same way, but this year there's just something very off about this team. I really don't know what, but I'm extremely worried about their chances of making the playoffs. The Minnesota game was very telling IMO. They lose their coach to an injury, they lose Cooch because he got rocked twice and what was their response? They blow a lead in the last 5 minutes and get zero points (btw Minnesota is the only team that has fewer wins than the Sharks since the all star game). The Sharks have won 5 games since the start of February. That's not a slump, this is going on six weeks now. In those 19 games, the Sharks have given up fewer than 3 goals just 4 times. This team is broken and I am honestly questioning whether the Sharks have what it takes. I really don't think they do. Even if they do manage to get into the playoff picture, they're most likely looking at playing St. Louis, Detroit or Vancouver in the first round. Can the Sharks beat any of those teams in a best of 7 series? I don't think there's gonna be much crow this year. Historically March/April is when the Sharks have played very well and put themselves into a good position for a playoff run. So far this year the Sharks are 0 for March and they're showing no signs of playing anything even remotely resembling good or successful hockey. We'll see if they prove me wrong, I would love for them to. But like I said I see zero signs that offer any hope of that actually happening.

This team's slumps are usually broken up through out the season, and for the most part they didnt have one early on. It's just all happening now, the patteren has changed but the overall situation is the same.

Of the last 5 games they've played they looked good in 3 of them that's why im not to worried. Some post where hit in some of those loses and some shitty goaltending by Niemi, it will balance out at the end of the season.

Dont get me wrong im not saying its all roses, but it the sky isnt falling