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[Across The Field]

what makes not an iota of sense, is your thought process. You know how good Ron Dayne was in college. Man he shredded the NFL. Assuming a rookie can play because he was drafted high, and has pedestrian back ups is just naive. Also allowing your severe homer-ism to cloud your views doesn't make an iota of sense as well. He may dominate, he may suck

So my extreme homerism is why he's getting drafted in the mid-late 1st round in fantasy drafts, on average? My extreme homerism is why all the Dallas beat writers are projecting 300+ carries this year?

If you think he's gonna suck, that's your thought. I think he's going to be a stud, and while he went to my college, that's not the reason I think that way. There are a myriad of reasons why people think he's going to be an amazing RB, starting with the fact that he's show to be a pretty amazing RB. Now he's on a high-powered offense with the best OL in the league and no real competition at the position on the roster. What's not to love?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

The safest bet for 1700 total yards and double digits in TD is old man Peterson, imo.

Just hate the lack of catches and TD dependency because of that

 

[Across The Field]

Yeah Dmc did nothing last year
239 attempts-1089 yards
4.6 YPC
40 catches-328 yards

wow he blew

Oh boy, 40 catches in an offense that checks down to RBs pretty often. He was PFF's 42nd ranked RB, despite being 4th in the league in rushing. He is a decent RB, not a good one. If that's what he can do, imagine what a fresh-legged, young RB like EE can do in that offense? Yes, I understand he's a rookie and hasn't played yet. However, comparing him to Ron Dayne was absurd. Completely different styles in completely different circumstances.

 

[SteelersPride]

Oh boy, 40 catches in an offense that checks down to RBs pretty often. He was PFF's 42nd ranked RB, despite being 4th in the league in rushing. He is a decent RB, not a good one. If that's what he can do, imagine what a fresh-legged, young RB like EE can do in that offense? Yes, I understand he's a rookie and hasn't played yet. However, comparing him to Ron Dayne was absurd. Completely different styles in completely different circumstances.

ok sorry i can name quite a few RB busts, so dont hand me that

 

[Across The Field]

ok sorry i can name quite a few RB busts, so dont hand me that

So can I. If you want to bet on that happening to EE, that's your prerogative. I see an elite 3-down back put in a perfect situation to excel. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. However, there's nothing at all to indicate that he's going to bust.

 

[Across The Field]

Just hate the lack of catches and TD dependency because of that

This is why I shy away from him. His PPR output is capped by that. Last year he had a big year and still finished with only 13 more PPR points than Danny Woodhead, and last year was an extremely weak RB year. In 2014, AP would've finished 8th in PPR. I think it's more likely that he starts to break down at 31 than that he has a rejuvenation and puts up his 2012 numbers.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

This is why I shy away from him. His PPR output is capped by that. Last year he had a big year and still finished with only 13 more PPR points than Danny Woodhead, and last year was an extremely weak RB year. In 2014, AP would've finished 8th in PPR. I think it's more likely that he starts to break down at 31 than that he has a rejuvenation and puts up his 2012 numbers.

Exactly.....Im not as concerned about the breakdown, only because he just isnt the typical 31 year old back, for reasons already mentioned.....But i wont draft a TD dependent back in Round One, with so many different PPR options....And I hate Bridgewater to be honest, and think until further notice, defenses will still focus on stopping AP.....Similiar concerns with Gurley, although I think he is a great real life back, like AP

 

[Across The Field]

Exactly.....Im not as concerned about the breakdown, only because he just isnt the typical 31 year old back, for reasons already mentioned.....But i wont draft a TD dependent back in Round One, with so many different PPR options....And I hate Bridgewater to be honest, and think until further notice, defenses will still focus on stopping AP.....Similiar concerns with Gurley, although I think he is a great real life back, like AP

Very similar concerns about Gurley. To be honest, I have no idea why anyone is ranking him in the top 6 in PPR drafts. Don't get me wrong, extremely talented RB, but with Goff at QB I see way too many 3 and outs for that team to be giving him the amount of reps to become an elite PPR back. Plus he has legit injury issues, which is why I think he started to slow down as last season wore on.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Very similar concerns about Gurley. To be honest, I have no idea why anyone is ranking him in the top 6 in PPR drafts. Don't get me wrong, extremely talented RB, but with Goff at QB I see way too many 3 and outs for that team to be giving him the amount of reps to become an elite PPR back. Plus he has legit injury issues, which is why I think he started to slow down as last season wore on.

Im picking 1, and 7 twice, in my 3 leagues......I wouldnt take Gurley at 7 in either league if available....I Johnson, Lamar Miller and even Zeke, as better options....Why defenses wouldnt absolutely dare Keenum/Goff to throw the ball to a brutal receiving corps, is beyond me....Not to mention, probably the best defensive division in the NFL

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

*i see

 

[Across The Field]

Im picking 1, and 7 twice, in my 3 leagues......I wouldnt take Gurley at 7 in either league if available....I Johnson, Lamar Miller and even Zeke, as better options....Why defenses wouldnt absolutely dare Keenum/Goff to throw the ball to a brutal receiving corps, is beyond me....Not to mention, probably the best defensive division in the NFL

Yeah that's exactly the way I see it too. It's too bad for Gurley, and he may prove everyone wrong, but I would be shocked if he made it through the whole 16 game season behind that line with his injury past. Hopefully they start focusing more on surrounding Goff with actual talent at WR so he can grow and Gurley doesn't end up having to retire early.

 

[TKOSpikes]

This is why I shy away from him. His PPR output is capped by that. Last year he had a big year and still finished with only 13 more PPR points than Danny Woodhead, and last year was an extremely weak RB year. In 2014, AP would've finished 8th in PPR. I think it's more likely that he starts to break down at 31 than that he has a rejuvenation and puts up his 2012 numbers.

Only 13 more than Woodhead. Who had a career year in catches and TD. I get it. AP gets 30 some catches. Five TD makes up the difference between 30 and 60 catches..... which AP always gives you. I'm not arguing what's right or wrong. Just saying what I am comfortable with. I think AP repeating his "TD dependency" is safer than Woodhead repeating his career year... or Duke or Sims or Riddick or any other name drop pass catching RB.

That's me.

 

[TREFF]

Zeke will be a 3 down RB this season. DMC has never PROVEN to be a good 3rd down back. Honestly, you think a team is going to spend the #4 overall pick on a guy and have him sit the sidelines on 3rd down, which is supposed to be an area he excels at, in lieu of a broken down vet who wasn't even good on 3rd downs last season? That doesn't make an iota of sense. I'm taking Zeke happily, and I'm gonna watch him be one of the best RBs in the league this year, and I'm going to keep him for years to come as he continues to shred the league.

I realize SP and TKO have already addressed this, but just piling on here. .
40 catches multiple times in his career, the 3 down back in Oakland for the better part of a decade, was the 3rd down back before Randle got hurt and flaked out..yea, he is proven

 

[TREFF]

Again, Zeke MIGHT very well prove he's the best option, maybe by week 8, week 4, maybe by week 1..but its all maybes, far too many maybes to justify a ranking above a proven stud

 

[Across The Field]

Only 13 more than Woodhead. Who had a career year in catches and TD. I get it. AP gets 30 some catches. Five TD makes up the difference between 30 and 60 catches..... which AP always gives you. I'm not arguing what's right or wrong. Just saying what I am comfortable with. I think AP repeating his "TD dependency" is safer than Woodhead repeating his career year... or Duke or Sims or Riddick or any other name drop pass catching RB.

That's me.

Right, but we're talking about spending a 1st round pick here. Woodhead was like a 10th rounder last year. In standard leagues, obviously this isn't even a discussion, but the PPR wrinkle makes it a little different.

 

[Across The Field]

I realize SP and TKO have already addressed this, but just piling on here. .
40 catches multiple times in his career, the 3 down back in Oakland for the better part of a decade, was the 3rd down back before Randle got hurt and flaked out..yea, he is proven

Again, Zeke MIGHT very well prove he's the best option, maybe by week 8, week 4, maybe by week 1..but its all maybes, far too many maybes to justify a ranking above a proven stud

You honestly believe the Cowboys drafted an elite RB talent in EE at #4 overall just to potentially use him as a 2 down back for potentially 8 weeks? His skillset is unquestionably that of a true 3 down back, probably moreso than any prospect to come into the league since AP. McFadden is constantly injured (as he obviously is now), while Zeke has a clean injury history outside of a recent minicamp tweak that cost him a few days as a precaution.

It'll be truly shocking to see a back drafted in top 5 not be used and used a ton. Honestly I'm having a really hard time seeing how you guys can think DMC is going to hold him back given how pedestrian DMC has been for the majority of his career. 8 years in the league, 4.2 YPC, 33 career total TDs compared to 20 fumbles, and a medical report a mile long. Any RB can grab 40 balls in a year when your team has no other option at the position. The fact that he only grabbed 40 last year in that offense is sad (given the sad level of competition he had and how many balls Demarco Murray and Felix Jones were able to catch there in the several years prior), as were his YPC and TD numbers. He's a decent backup, and that's it. It's Zeke's show there, and surprisingly this is the only place I'm finding anyone who doesn't see that. I'm not meaning to be rude, but when I see what other rookie RBs have been able to do in the league in recent years, I just find the high level of skepticism here bizarre.

 

[TREFF]

You honestly believe the Cowboys drafted an elite RB talent in EE at #4 overall just to potentially use him as a 2 down back for potentially 8 weeks? His skillset is unquestionably that of a true 3 down back, probably moreso than any prospect to come into the league since AP. McFadden is constantly injured (as he obviously is now), while Zeke has a clean injury history outside of a recent minicamp tweak that cost him a few days as a precaution.

It'll be truly shocking to see a back drafted in top 5 not be used and used a ton. Honestly I'm having a really hard time seeing how you guys can think DMC is going to hold him back given how pedestrian DMC has been for the majority of his career. 8 years in the league, 4.2 YPC, 33 career total TDs compared to 20 fumbles, and a medical report a mile long. Any RB can grab 40 balls in a year when your team has no other option at the position. The fact that he only grabbed 40 last year in that offense is sad (given the sad level of competition he had and how many balls Demarco Murray and Felix Jones were able to catch there in the several years prior), as were his YPC and TD numbers. He's a decent backup, and that's it. It's Zeke's show there, and surprisingly this is the only place I'm finding anyone who doesn't see that. I'm not meaning to be rude, but when I see what other rookie RBs have been able to do in the league in recent years, I just find the high level of skepticism here bizarre.

I believe they #1 made a massive mistake not taking help for the front 7 defensively at #4..so inherently what they're thoughts were at #4 aren't entirely clear.
But #2 I believe that Jason Garret goes with whomever gives his team the best chance to succeed in any given situation. And a rookie, until he proves otherwise, is always suspect in the passing game, always. So you're failure to understand that pain and simple truth, a historical fact going back decades and decades, is not going to be explained away by him being the 4th pick, or supposedly the best blocking back of a generation. .not when there are other proven options on the team the coach can turn to. Surprisingly or not, perhaps you've found the one place people actually understand what football is and why coaches make the calls they do? I can't answer that for you, but I can tell you that there is zero assurances that Zeke is the guy on the field in hurry ups, in 2 minute drills, or down by 2 scores late in the fourth, or and especially this one. .garbage time. .where the vast majority of PPR backs make their hay. There's less than zero chance the future of the franchise is on the field during blowouts, either winning or losing. That's not just a guess, is a logical conclusion based in factual evidence observed tl through 30 years of being a football player, a coach and an observer.

 

[TREFF]

Again, I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm in no way saying Zeke can't or won't do anything, I love my Cowboys, I have just as high of hopes and expectations for him as you do. All I'm saying is that there is zero reason zero proven, factual reason, to rank him ahead of AP unroll we've seen him on an NFL field

 

[Across The Field]

I believe they #1 made a massive mistake not taking help for the front 7 defensively at #4..so inherently what they're thoughts were at #4 aren't entirely clear.
But #2 I believe that Jason Garret goes with whomever gives his team the best chance to succeed in any given situation. And a rookie, until he proves otherwise, is always suspect in the passing game, always. So you're failure to understand that pain and simple truth, a historical fact going back decades and decades, is not going to be explained away by him being the 4th pick, or supposedly the best blocking back of a generation. .not when there are other proven options on the team the coach can turn to. Surprisingly or not, perhaps you've found the one place people actually understand what football is and why coaches make the calls they do? I can't answer that for you, but I can tell you that there is zero assurances that Zeke is the guy on the field in hurry ups, in 2 minute drills, or down by 2 scores late in the fourth, or and especially this one. .garbage time. .where the vast majority of PPR backs make their hay. There's less than zero chance the future of the franchise is on the field during blowouts, either winning or losing. That's not just a guess, is a logical conclusion based in factual evidence observed tl through 30 years of being a football player, a coach and an observer.

#1 That can definitely be debated, I won't argue there. However, given the glaring holes in their front 7, what does it tell you about how much they value EE?

#2 You keep saying DMC is proven, but what has he proven? That he knows how to be really mediocre? You're acting like the Cowboys love DMC and plan on using him as the 3rd down back even though there's really nothing to support that. He's not even a guarantee to be ready to play week 1, so how can they be projecting him over EE in any situation right now?

Also, look at how many rookie RBs have come into the league and instantly became the man in the backfield. Doug Martin, Alfred Morris, Eddie Lacy, Todd Gurley all came into the league and immediately became bellcows, and those are just ones in recent years. Gurley's the only one with the talent EE has, so why keep him off the field? There's just no logic in that decision making that I can tell. The Cowboys have shown that they don't mind having 1 back carry the load, so there's little reason to think they're going to have a committee.

Also, I'd like to think the Dallas beat writers may understand a bit about what football is, as well.

 

[Across The Field]

Again, I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm in no way saying Zeke can't or won't do anything, I love my Cowboys, I have just as high of hopes and expectations for him as you do. All I'm saying is that there is zero reason zero proven, factual reason, to rank him ahead of AP unroll we've seen him on an NFL field

And that's fair, I'm not saying it's a surefire thing that he'll have a better season. I guess I look at what AP has been doing in recent years and he's been good but not amazing. He hasn't averaged 5+ YPC since 2012, and while he gets double digit TDs, it's not like he's throwing up 15+, he's 10-12. With his lack of receiving chops, I just feel like if EE gets the touches they're saying he's going to, he'll have a better fantasy season.

Hopefully by year's end, we're both happy with what he accomplishes