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[TKOSpikes]

I don't see what gore has to do with anything really though. Occlusion RBs can last past 31 but historically they don't. AP probably has a better chance than most and is certainly still worth a high pick. But historically speaking there is more risk there than if he were 27.

I just mentioned Gore because he's still running and is older than AP. If AP didn't look or act like the NFL rushing leader last year, then I could agree there is risk. But that's not what happened. If he came into camp looking old and slow, I could agree there is risk. But all reports are the same as always... looks, feels great.

I think there is risk in hoping receivers go back to back, or in some cases three straight years with double digit TD... you wanna talk about risky.

But like I said.... it's all preference.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I just mentioned Gore because he's still running and is older than AP. If AP didn't look or act like the NFL rushing leader last year, then I could agree there is risk. But that's not what happened. If he came into camp looking old and slow, I could agree there is risk. But all reports are the same as always... looks, feels great.

I think there is risk in hoping receivers go back to back, or in some cases three straight years with double digit TD... you wanna talk about risky.

But like I said.... it's all preference.

Gore career is......unusual. Think Marshaun Lynch career is more the norm. He went from having one of his best years in 2014 to washed up in 2015. Another RB comes to mind in Shaun Alexander, pretty much the same. Often times the only warning that the cliff is approaching is age, Father Time is undefeated. Sometimes you see nagging injuries starting to occur the year prior ( Lynch always had back problems and they did get worse), but not always. So when a player reaches the age of 30 the odds that Father Time is approaching go up and ever year beyond it becomes more likely, so proceed with caution with older players.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Gore career is......unusual. Think Marshaun Lynch career is more the norm. He went from having one of his best years in 2014 to washed up in 2015. Another RB comes to mind in Shaun Alexander, pretty much the same. Often times the only warning that the cliff is approaching is age, Father Time is undefeated. Sometimes you see nagging injuries starting to occur the year prior ( Lynch always had back problems and they did get worse), but not always. So when a player reaches the age of 30 the odds that Father Time is approaching go up and ever year beyond it becomes more likely, so proceed with caution with older players.

I get it. But it's still not the same. You said it. Lynch had back problems. Alexander was a backup-turned elite for a year or two. These are not examples to compare to AP. I get it. Father time always wins... but there is usually a sign first. So I think Gore is a much better comparison. As he wasn't good for a year or two and has stayed healthy in his 30's.

... I guess, if AP starts to show signs this year, he could fall out of 1st round value. So the point is valid. But the whole reason I keep going on about it, is the fact I'm shocked the consensus is that AP is a risk. Not some gut calls of a few... the consensus.

I know one thing. I'll be going down with the ship this year if he indeed falls off.

 

[SteelersPride]

I get it. But it's still not the same. You said it. Lynch had back problems. Alexander was a backup-turned elite for a year or two. These are not examples to compare to AP. I get it. Father time always wins... but there is usually a sign first. So I think Gore is a much better comparison. As he wasn't good for a year or two and has stayed healthy in his 30's.

... I guess, if AP starts to show signs this year, he could fall out of 1st round value. So the point is valid. But the whole reason I keep going on about it, is the fact I'm shocked the consensus is that AP is a risk. Not some gut calls of a few... the consensus.

I know one thing. I'll be going down with the ship this year if he indeed falls off.

Charles is way more risk than ap

 

[tlance]

Charles is way more risk than ap

I agree, but he is also being drafted much later.

Truth is, AP might still be the safest RB out there, but, his ceiling and floor are both a bit lower because of his age and mileage. There is no such thing as a safe running back this year. All the elites carry substantial risk.

 

[SteelersPride]

I agree, but he is also being drafted much later.

Truth is, AP might still be the safest RB out there, but, his ceiling and floor are both a bit lower because of his age and mileage. There is no such thing as a safe running back this year. All the elites carry substantial risk.

get on the Murray bandwagon

 

[HaroldSeattle]

get on the Murray bandwagon

He talking elite, Murray doesn't qualify.

 

[TREFF]

He talking elite, Murray doesn't qualify.

He might next year. ..crossing fingers

 

[SteelersPride]

He might next year. ..crossing fingers

this

 

[SmokingMonkey]

late round PPR back no one is talking about right now just got a little love from the folks over at roto:
Shaun Draughn - RB - 49ers
According to the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, Shaun Draughn and Bruce Ellington have been Blaine Gabbert's "go-to receivers" on third down in training camp.

Slot man Ellington and passing-down back Draughn run routes in areas of the field where Gabbert is most comfortable throwing the ball. Draughn averaged over four catches per game when he started last year and is beginning to look like a big factor in San Francisco's passing game. Carlos Hyde has never been a high-volume receiving back. Ellington looks locked into three-receiver sets.

avg 4 catches per game in the lead back role, no competition for passing down work (Hyde and Davis aren't 3rd down backs), 49ers don't appear to be on the winning side of things (imo) so they should be passing a lot, neither QB there is accurate downfield and at least Gabbert is accurate in the short-to-intermediate routes, plays for a coach that consistently utilized 2 backs in his only HC tenure in philly.

A lot to like for a late round hail mary that literally isn't in anyone's minds right now as far as drafts go.

 

[TREFF]

late round PPR back no one is talking about right now just got a little love from the folks over at roto:
Shaun Draughn - RB - 49ers
According to the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, Shaun Draughn and Bruce Ellington have been Blaine Gabbert's "go-to receivers" on third down in training camp.

Slot man Ellington and passing-down back Draughn run routes in areas of the field where Gabbert is most comfortable throwing the ball. Draughn averaged over four catches per game when he started last year and is beginning to look like a big factor in San Francisco's passing game. Carlos Hyde has never been a high-volume receiving back. Ellington looks locked into three-receiver sets.

avg 4 catches per game in the lead back role, no competition for passing down work (Hyde and Davis aren't 3rd down backs), 49ers don't appear to be on the winning side of things (imo) so they should be passing a lot, neither QB there is accurate downfield and at least Gabbert is accurate in the short-to-intermediate routes, plays for a coach that consistently utilized 2 backs in his only HC tenure in philly.

A lot to like for a late round hail mary that literally isn't in anyone's minds right now as far as drafts go.

Another guy to add to the Riddick/Sims class. .

 

[ehb5]

I just mentioned Gore because he's still running and is older than AP. If AP didn't look or act like the NFL rushing leader last year, then I could agree there is risk. But that's not what happened. If he came into camp looking old and slow, I could agree there is risk. But all reports are the same as always... looks, feels great.

I think there is risk in hoping receivers go back to back, or in some cases three straight years with double digit TD... you wanna talk about risky.

But like I said.... it's all preference.

But history does show that the cliff is there for 99% of players and most of the time you don't see it coming. It's very likely that whenever AP loses it (if he ever does) that we won't see it coming. He's not going to necessarily look slower before it happens.

 

[SteelersPride]

But history does show that the cliff is there for 99% of players and most of the time you don't see it coming. It's very likely that whenever AP loses it (if he ever does) that we won't see it coming. He's not going to necessarily look slower before it happens.

right, i think one year, he just sucks

 

[tlance]

late round PPR back no one is talking about right now just got a little love from the folks over at roto:
Shaun Draughn - RB - 49ers
According to the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, Shaun Draughn and Bruce Ellington have been Blaine Gabbert's "go-to receivers" on third down in training camp.

Slot man Ellington and passing-down back Draughn run routes in areas of the field where Gabbert is most comfortable throwing the ball. Draughn averaged over four catches per game when he started last year and is beginning to look like a big factor in San Francisco's passing game. Carlos Hyde has never been a high-volume receiving back. Ellington looks locked into three-receiver sets.

avg 4 catches per game in the lead back role, no competition for passing down work (Hyde and Davis aren't 3rd down backs), 49ers don't appear to be on the winning side of things (imo) so they should be passing a lot, neither QB there is accurate downfield and at least Gabbert is accurate in the short-to-intermediate routes, plays for a coach that consistently utilized 2 backs in his only HC tenure in philly.

A lot to like for a late round hail mary that literally isn't in anyone's minds right now as far as drafts go.

I agree. Surprised he has been largely ignored. He is 2nd on the depth chart behind an injury prone back in a Chip Kelly system.

 

[SteelersPride]

im curious why everyone things wendal smallwood is the cuff in philly and no sproles love

 

[tlance]

im curious why everyone things wendal smallwood is the cuff in philly and no sproles love

Sproles will be involved for sure, but his role likely doesn't change much if Mathews gets hurt. Sproles is a specialist.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Sproles will be involved for sure, but his role likely doesn't change much if Mathews gets hurt. Sproles is a specialist.

that is true... BUT if your specialist is better than your handcuff you also have to assume that the team will use that specialist more with more play calls... Which also hurts that handcuff a lot...

 

[ehb5]

My top 12 if I'm drafting

AB
OBJ
Julio
AJ
Hopkins
AROB
Gronk
David Johnson
Zeke
Keenan
Gurley
Dez

So this is what I said last week. But my first ppr draft of the year was last night and I got slotted with the 12th pick in a team league. AB, OBJ, Julio, AJ, ARob, DHopkins, Dez, Zeke, Gurley, DJ, and Gronk all went before me so I grabbed Leveon Bell and AP over Keenan. All this after I've been on here arguing AP is riskier than people think and that I like going WR - WR to start and even think WR - WR - WR is fine.

 

[SteelersPride]

So this is what I said last week. But my first ppr draft of the year was last night and I got slotted with the 12th pick in a team league. AB, OBJ, Julio, AJ, ARob, DHopkins, Dez, Zeke, Gurley, DJ, and Gronk all went before me so I grabbed Leveon Bell and AP over Keenan. All this after I've been on here arguing AP is riskier than people think and that I like going WR - WR to start and even think WR - WR - WR is fine.

perfect example @Brees#1 quit stating your definitely doing something and let the draft come to you. great picks btw

 

[averagejoe]

im curious why everyone things wendal smallwood is the cuff in philly and no sproles love

Smallwood is the new rookie toy on the team so owners that exaggerate rookie value are more likely to draft Smallwood than Jurassic Sproles or invisible Barner.