Full PPR top 12

[SteelersPride]

Smallwood is the new rookie toy on the team so owners that exaggerate rookie value are more likely to draft Smallwood than Jurassic Sproles or invisible Barner.

barner is a HUGE sleeper,

 

[Ram Tough]

1. Ab
2 OBJ
3 Julio
4 deandre
5 Gurley
6 david johnson
7 dez
8 allen robinson
9 lamar miller
10 Gronk
11 Zeke
12 Jordy

 

[Stomp]

Antonio Brown
Julio Jones
Odell Beckham
David Johnson
Deandre Hopkins
Todd Gurley
Adrian Peterson
Allen Robinson
Devonta Freeman
Keenan Allen
Lamar Miller
Dez Bryant

 

[Across The Field]

I get called out all the time, sometimes I'm dead wrong, but I never feel like no one had the right to call me out. As long as they have some factual based, realistic reasons for doing so I have no issue with them. No reason to think anyone should have an issue with me doing the same.

Give me one real reason why AP, the #2 PPR back in the league just last year, deserves a knock down in PPR, but a rookie, unproven to say the least, with zero assurances of being heavily involved in the passing game, who barely averaged 2 catches a game in college, can get a free pass into the first round, and I'll admit I'm out of line, otherwise, my objections have merit and I feel not only do I have the right to call someone out, but maybe even an obligation.

I'll give you a few:

1. The OL in Dallas is an absolute major factor in determining the success of the RBs. Two years ago, Demarco Murray had a fantasy season for the ages because of that dominant line. Last year, a broken down DMC was a 1,000+ yard rusher. Elliott is a superior prospect to the two of them, no questions asked.

2. Unproven? All he did the last two years at Ohio State was absolutely prove he is a bellcow type back. He put them on his shoulders two years in a row. Let's look at their college numbers:
AP: 4,057 yards, 41 TDs, 5.43 YPC
EE: 3,699 yards, 41 TDs, 6.58 YPC

That's 3 years of AP and 2 years of EE. AP came into the league with major injury issues as well.

3. Won't be involved on passing downs? EE has been called the best blocking RB to come into the league in decades. Why the hell would they not have him out there on passing downs? They need to protect Romo, and EE is going to do that as well as any RB in the league.

4. AP is still elite, but has proven to be fragile multiple times in his career. He's also 10 years older than EE, who has never had injury issues. This is a major factor.

 

[TREFF]

I'll give you a few:

1. The OL in Dallas is an absolute major factor in determining the success of the RBs. Two years ago, Demarco Murray had a fantasy season for the ages because of that dominant line. Last year, a broken down DMC was a 1,000+ yard rusher. Elliott is a superior prospect to the two of them, no questions asked.

2. Unproven? All he did the last two years at Ohio State was absolutely prove he is a bellcow type back. He put them on his shoulders two years in a row. Let's look at their college numbers:
AP: 4,057 yards, 41 TDs, 5.43 YPC
EE: 3,699 yards, 41 TDs, 6.58 YPC

That's 3 years of AP and 2 years of EE. AP came into the league with major injury issues as well.

3. Won't be involved on passing downs? EE has been called the best blocking RB to come into the league in decades. Why the hell would they not have him out there on passing downs? They need to protect Romo, and EE is going to do that as well as any RB in the league.

4. AP is still elite, but has proven to be fragile multiple times in his career. He's also 10 years older than EE, who has never had injury issues. This is a major factor.

Can debunk #2, with 8 letters. ..
NFL vs NCAA...there's no comparison, success in college does not ever assure success in the NFL
Not a real reason
#3 DMC is a proven asset in the passing game, knows the offense, knows the audibles, knows Romo's tendancies, Zeke will have to price he's not only adequate, but better than DMC, whose already got a serous leg up. .so yes, no assurances he's heavily involved. .so no instant PPR bonus.
Speculation that he might be involved is not a real reason to put him above AP in a PPR, until he actually has proven himself

4. Can't predict injury or health, but in AP's case, it's always catastrophic injury that pts him out, not a hammy it a quad or anything else..hard to way he's been fragile, as he's been much healthier in the pros than he ever was in college. And Zeke is the one who's been slow to practice with the hammy. .so. .just saying.
Again, pure speculation, not a real "expert-worthy" reason
And #1..That line is being overblown. And when, not if, but when, Romo goes down, the entire offense goes with it, great line or not.
The best reason anyone can come up with, and it falls like a house of cards without Romo.

 

[Across The Field]

Can debunk #2, with 8 letters. ..
NFL vs NCAA...there's no comparison, success in college does not ever assure success in the NFL
Not a real reason
#3 DMC is a proven asset in the passing game, knows the offense, knows the audibles, knows Romo's tendancies, Zeke will have to price he's not only adequate, but better than DMC, whose already got a serous leg up. .so yes, no assurances he's heavily involved. .so no instant PPR bonus.
Speculation that he might be involved is not a real reason to put him above AP in a PPR, until he actually has proven himself

4. Can't predict injury or health, but in AP's case, it's always catastrophic injury that pts him out, not a hammy it a quad or anything else..hard to way he's been fragile, as he's been much healthier in the pros than he ever was in college. And Zeke is the one who's been slow to practice with the hammy. .so. .just saying.
Again, pure speculation, not a real "expert-worthy" reason
And #1..That line is being overblown. And when, not if, but when, Romo goes down, the entire offense goes with it, great line or not.
The best reason anyone can come up with, and it falls like a house of cards without Romo.

NFL vs NCAA is 9 letters, not 8...

Success in college doesn't assure success in the NFL, but saying Zeke has never proven himself is baloney. Doing what he did at OSU, running all over the defenses that he did, nothing at all to suggest he'll bust on that offense. If he had been drafted to, say, the 49ers or Browns, I would obviously be a lot lower on his value. However, as I've pointed out, the last two years that line has made Murray and DMC look far better than they are. Elliott is a superior talent to those two.

As far as DMC playing over Zeke, are you serious? You don't draft a kid #4 overall who is the best pass-blocking back this generation to sit him on 3rd downs. DMC will get garbage time carries and the occasional breather carrie for Zeke, but ever indication I've seen from Dallas beat writers is that Zeke will get 300+ carries this year for sure. DMC is a decent back, but he's not good anymore. 3 TDs? That's pathetic for a guy who had 239 carries. What makes him such a threat to Zeke? His season last year was above average, at best. He was top 5 in rushing in the weakest RB year in over a decade. In any other year in the last decade, he wouldn't have even been top 10 in rushing. Zeke is an enormous upgrade (obviously they think that, drafting him at #4), so he's gonna get TONS of snaps.

As far as the injuries go, I'm not sure how you can say Romo will for sure get hurt but AP won't. Romo has actually been extremely durable in his career. He got hurt last year, yes. In the 4 years prior to that, he missed two total games. How is AP any different with his completely lost season in 2015?

 

[TREFF]

NFL vs NCAA is 9 letters, not 8...

Success in college doesn't assure success in the NFL, but saying Zeke has never proven himself is baloney. Doing what he did at OSU, running all over the defenses that he did, nothing at all to suggest he'll bust on that offense. If he had been drafted to, say, the 49ers or Browns, I would obviously be a lot lower on his value. However, as I've pointed out, the last two years that line has made Murray and DMC look far better than they are. Elliott is a superior talent to those two.

As far as DMC playing over Zeke, are you serious? You don't draft a kid #4 overall who is the best pass-blocking back this generation to sit him on 3rd downs. DMC will get garbage time carries and the occasional breather carrie for Zeke, but ever indication I've seen from Dallas beat writers is that Zeke will get 300+ carries this year for sure. DMC is a decent back, but he's not good anymore. 3 TDs? That's pathetic for a guy who had 239 carries. What makes him such a threat to Zeke? His season last year was above average, at best. He was top 5 in rushing in the weakest RB year in over a decade. In any other year in the last decade, he wouldn't have even been top 10 in rushing. Zeke is an enormous upgrade (obviously they think that, drafting him at #4), so he's gonna get TONS of snaps.

As far as the injuries go, I'm not sure how you can say Romo will for sure get hurt but AP won't. Romo has actually been extremely durable in his career. He got hurt last year, yes. In the 4 years prior to that, he missed two total games. How is AP any different with his completely lost season in 2015?

Maybe becuase that lost season, which was 2014 btw, was a suspension, not an injury.

And I'm sorry, but if you can't see that until PROVEN otherwise, DMC is a better NFL option in the passing game, for a team he's been paying on for 2 years already, so no learning curve, if you can't see he's the safter option in a coaches mind. .until. PROVEN otherwise..then I don't know what to tell you. .it's a very realistic observation of the situation. Much more realistic than making an assumption that Zeke will be basically the first ever rookie RB to be the greatest anything in the pro passing game. It's not all about blocking

 

[TREFF]

Just to be clear, I'm just as high on Zeke's potential as anyone. The only issue I have is that I don't feel it's responsible for people claiming to be experts to advise someone in the first round no less, to take any unproven rookie over someone like AP, not until he actually starts the decline brought on by age..but not before. Until then, a pick a important as the 1st round sold be not only a guy who can light up the scoreboard, but is also a proven safe commodity. No rookie can reasonably be assumed to be that.

 

[averagejoe]

I have no doubt that EE was a beast in college and earned a spot on an NFL roster.
And ATF brings up a very logical point about the Dallas O-line.

But I never let college stats cloud my view of the potential of a rookie in the NFL.
There are 10,707 NCAA Division 1 players. (Compared to less than 1700 NFL players total.)
In my opinion, it's "easy" for the cream of that crop to rise to the top of the college ranks.

But not so easy to succeed in the NFL.
Players like AP are rare.
And not every first round pick is a guarantee of success either.

Even AP had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons.
As good as he is, his fumbles were a concern early in his career.
Today's NFL is less tolerant of fumbles.

Plus, DeMarco and DMC did have NFL experience before getting behind the 'Boys O-line. EE does not.
While many are anointing EE as the next AP and drafting him wholeheartedly, I know I'll be missing out on EE because I'm taking a wait and see attitude.

 

[tlance]

I have no doubt that EE was a beast in college and earned a spot on an NFL roster.
And ATF brings up a very logical point about the Dallas O-line.

But I never let college stats cloud my view of the potential of a rookie in the NFL.
There are 10,707 NCAA Division 1 players. (Compared to less than 1700 NFL players total.)
In my opinion, it's "easy" for the cream of that crop to rise to the top of the college ranks.

But not so easy to succeed in the NFL.
Players like AP are rare.
And not every first round pick is a guarantee of success either.

Even AP had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons.
As good as he is, his fumbles were a concern early in his career.
Today's NFL is less tolerant of fumbles.

Plus, DeMarco and DMC did have NFL experience before getting behind the 'Boys O-line. EE does not.
While many are anointing EE as the next AP and drafting him wholeheartedly, I know I'll be missing out on EE because I'm taking a wait and see attitude.

AP fumbled a lot last year too. If not for his reputation, he could have been benched by some coaches.

 

[Across The Field]

Maybe becuase that lost season, which was 2014 btw, was a suspension, not an injury.

And I'm sorry, but if you can't see that until PROVEN otherwise, DMC is a better NFL option in the passing game, for a team he's been paying on for 2 years already, so no learning curve, if you can't see he's the safter option in a coaches mind. .until. PROVEN otherwise..then I don't know what to tell you. .it's a very realistic observation of the situation. Much more realistic than making an assumption that Zeke will be basically the first ever rookie RB to be the greatest anything in the pro passing game. It's not all about blocking

Zeke will be a 3 down RB this season. DMC has never PROVEN to be a good 3rd down back. Honestly, you think a team is going to spend the #4 overall pick on a guy and have him sit the sidelines on 3rd down, which is supposed to be an area he excels at, in lieu of a broken down vet who wasn't even good on 3rd downs last season? That doesn't make an iota of sense. I'm taking Zeke happily, and I'm gonna watch him be one of the best RBs in the league this year, and I'm going to keep him for years to come as he continues to shred the league.

 

[SteelersPride]

Zeke will be a 3 down RB this season. DMC has never PROVEN to be a good 3rd down back. Honestly, you think a team is going to spend the #4 overall pick on a guy and have him sit the sidelines on 3rd down, which is supposed to be an area he excels at, in lieu of a broken down vet who wasn't even good on 3rd downs last season? That doesn't make an iota of sense. I'm taking Zeke happily, and I'm gonna watch him be one of the best RBs in the league this year, and I'm going to keep him for years to come as he continues to shred the league.

Yeah Dmc did nothing last year
239 attempts-1089 yards
4.6 YPC
40 catches-328 yards

wow he blew

 

[SteelersPride]

Zeke will be a 3 down RB this season. DMC has never PROVEN to be a good 3rd down back. Honestly, you think a team is going to spend the #4 overall pick on a guy and have him sit the sidelines on 3rd down, which is supposed to be an area he excels at, in lieu of a broken down vet who wasn't even good on 3rd downs last season? That doesn't make an iota of sense. I'm taking Zeke happily, and I'm gonna watch him be one of the best RBs in the league this year, and I'm going to keep him for years to come as he continues to shred the league.

what makes not an iota of sense, is your thought process. You know how good Ron Dayne was in college. Man he shredded the NFL. Assuming a rookie can play because he was drafted high, and has pedestrian back ups is just naive. Also allowing your severe homer-ism to cloud your views doesn't make an iota of sense as well. He may dominate, he may suck

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

what makes not an iota of sense, is your thought process. You know how good Ron Dayne was in college. Man he shredded the NFL. Assuming a rookie can play because he was drafted high, and has pedestrian back ups is just naive. Also allowing your severe homer-ism to cloud your views doesn't make an iota of sense as well. He may dominate, he may suck

Without having to read through, so youre NOT on the Zeke train?

Just wondering, Im picking in a spot I was considering him

 

[SteelersPride]

Without having to read through, so youre NOT on the Zeke train?

Just wondering, Im picking in a spot I was considering him

ill draft him, not top 5 though

 

[TKOSpikes]

Zeke might be great and AP might break down. Anything can happen in the NFL.

The thing for me is, AP has scored double digit TD in EVERY season that he has played more than one game. (which is all but one) He's not old like Emmitt Smith's last season. He's not even Frank Gore old. He's a polished 31, with his age 29 season being a healthy year off. He's the only chance the Vikings have at making a playoff run. He's gonna get his 300 touches. He is showing no signs of wear and tear. No signs of breaking down. If people want to jump ship a year or two early, so be it. I will be buying a AP train ticket though. It's the safest pick you can make. Even Antonio Brown is riskier because if Ben goes down, so does Brown's PPG.

I'll take the safest, stand alone player who just so happens to play a lot, score a lot and leads the league in rushing more times than not.

That's just me.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Zeke might be great and AP might break down. Anything can happen in the NFL.

The thing for me is, AP has scored double digit TD in EVERY season that he has played more than one game. (which is all but one) He's not old like Emmitt Smith's last season. He's not even Frank Gore old. He's a polished 31, with his age 29 season being a healthy year off. He's the only chance the Vikings have at making a playoff run. He's gonna get his 300 touches. He is showing no signs of wear and tear. No signs of breaking down. If people want to jump ship a year or two early, so be it. I will be buying a AP train ticket though. It's the safest pick you can make. Even Antonio Brown is riskier because if Ben goes down, so does Brown's PPG.

I'll take the safest, stand alone player who just so happens to play a lot, score a lot and leads the league in rushing more times than not.

That's just me.

Giving serious thought to Beckham with the #1 overall, for that reason exactly...And because i think Beckham is about to bust out with his best season.....But the Ben injury seems like almost a foregone conclusion at this stage of his career, and having Brown last season, I see how quickly he becomes a pedestrian receiver in Bens' absence......As a sidenote, Eli has never missed a game in his career

 

[TKOSpikes]

Giving serious thought to Beckham with the #1 overall, for that reason exactly...And because i think Beckham is about to bust out with his best season.....But the Ben injury seems like almost a foregone conclusion at this stage of his career, and having Brown last season, I see how quickly he becomes a pedestrian receiver in Bens' absence......As a sidenote, Eli has never missed a game in his career

But Beckham has. You wanna trust that hammy? You may be right though. If he plays 16 he could certainly be the best.

 

[TKOSpikes]

The safest bet for 1700 total yards and double digits in TD is old man Peterson, imo.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

But Beckham has. You wanna trust that hammy? You may be right though. If he plays 16 he could certainly be the best.

the way I see the Top 3, they all come with similiar risk.....An injury to Ben, with his history, an injury to Odell with his history, and an injury to Julio, who doesnt practice, and seems to give ya a scare every week

Considering all that, I do think Ben could be the riskiest.....But Im still agonizing over it