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[broncosmitty]

Anyone who leaves Emmit completely off an all time top 5 list..loses a little sway with me. You don't have to put him 1, or even 4, but not in the top 5? Shame

Jim Brown not being in a Top 5 is crazy to me.

Dickerson also ahead of Emmit, for me.

Top 3 being Sweetness, Barry and Brown in whatever order anyone prefers. But the list starts after them for me.

 

[broncosmitty]

Who you leave off, though?

Problem is there's like eight guys with a claim to top-five. People talk about Jim Brown, but I always think of Jim Thorpe... and we don't even have stats for him.

Wouldn’t be hard for me to put Smith ahead of Peterson.

But I genuinely dislike Adrian Peterson.

 

[eaglesnut]

Wouldn’t be hard for me to put Smith ahead of Peterson.

But I genuinely dislike Adrian Peterson.

This is about football. You don't have to bang him.

 

[TREFF]

Well sure, I mean, there's no right or wrong answer..but if the context is greatest RB, ALL TIME, and the dude who is at the top of virtually every meaningful RB stat- all time, #1 yards, #1 TD's, #2 to Rice for yards from scrimmage, #2 to Rice in all TD's scored...there's no subjectivity there, excluding him invalidates the entire list. And Rice is arguably the greatest football player, regardless of position, of all time.

Of course there's 8,-10 dudes who are arguably in that top 5. Who would I exclude? Dunno, but that's why you start with the inarguable stuff..that's what is in first, and whomever else gets left off after, when it starts to become subjective, I guess that's the dude who gets left off, is what it is.
Now favorite of all time?? Sure leave him off. Best though? He's either in it, or your list is questionable.

 

[averagejoe]

And Rice is arguably the greatest football player, regardless of position, of all time.

I would not agree.
Makes for a great debate tho.

For me, what a player does without the supporting cast is more impressive to me.

 

[TREFF]

My final thought...the tired old trope of his O-line?
From 98 to end of his Cowboys career, the line was in shambles, Allen old hurt, gone, Newton hurt, gone, Erik Williams, hurt, gone...and he still averaged 1200 yards a year and near double digit scores. Not to mention just shy of a 1000/10 in 15 games, as a 35 year old on a SHITTY Cardinals team...come on now, give the guy his due. Yes, for his GLORY years, an all time great line, but he amassed plenty on his own. The oline stuff is a little more than a cop out excuse for Cowboy haters

 

[TREFF]

I would not agree.
Makes for a great debate tho.

For me, what a player does without the supporting cast is more impressive to me.

Couldn't argue with that...however, what exactly happens, anywhere on the feild, on either side of the ball, where the supporting cast doesn't have a hand in it in some way? I can't argue with the overall premise, I'm just curious as to how one would separate it out, without bias?

 

[SmokingMonkey]

I would not agree.
Makes for a great debate tho.

For me, what a player does without the supporting cast is more impressive to me.

I'm a big Stephen Jackson fan too

 

[TREFF]

I'm a big Stephen Jackson fan too

He was a friggin beast, fer sure

 

[TREFF]

For me- Barry, Emmitt, Jim Brown, Sweetness, and a 5 way tie between Tomlinson, Faulk, Peterson, Sayers, and Campbell. Gun to my head, I'm taking Faulk as the 5th guy as he was L.T. before L.T., and innovated the way the position is played today. Thorpe is an honorable mention imho, as a lot of what he did great, wasn't as a RB. He's much more a factor in the greatest athlete of all time discussion, than the greatest RB.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

He was a friggin beast, fer sure

I was at his first game, against the Emmitt Smith-led Cardinals team. SJax blows through the line for his first carry only to have it punched out at the end of a 15-20yd run for a lost fumble.

 

[Payton]

Payton… cmon, so yeah, I’m biased. But man he was a physical freak for his era, and we really need to acknowledge his versatility was ahead of his time. He was literally all the Bears had for close to a decade and did everything. And the durability was something unrivaled.

I feel as though some of the more modern backs had schemes tailored to them. The scheme for Payton was basically, just give him the ball… and there was no one to take the focus off him. No Aikman and Irvin. No Warner, Holt, or Bruce. Hell, he didn’t even have a single Herman Moore or an Antonio Gates!

It was literally just him!

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Payton… cmon, so yeah, I’m biased. But man he was a physical freak for his era, and we really need to acknowledge his versatility was ahead of his time. He was literally all the Bears had for close to a decade and did everything. And the durability was something unrivaled.

I feel as though some of the more modern backs had schemes tailored to them. The scheme for Payton was basically, just give him the ball… and there was no one to take the focus off him. No Aikman and Irvin. No Warner, Holt, or Bruce. Hell, he didn’t even have a single Herman Moore or an Antonio Gates!

It was literally just him!

he had a pathetic 32% completion rate on his passes and threw 6 INTs though

 

[Payton]

he had a pathetic 32% completion rate on his passes and threw 6 INTs though

Golden Richards and Brian Baschnagel couldn’t get open for him! . But yeah, probably should have just tucked it and ran.

 

[obxyankeefan]

Eddie Payton wasn't that good. I don't understand all the love for him.


Jim Brown
Barry Sanders
Walter Payton
Enmity Smith
Eric Dickerson hate him with a passion, but have to give him his due.

 

[TREFF]

Payton… cmon, so yeah, I’m biased. But man he was a physical freak for his era, and we really need to acknowledge his versatility was ahead of his time. He was literally all the Bears had for close to a decade and did everything. And the durability was something unrivaled.

I feel as though some of the more modern backs had schemes tailored to them. The scheme for Payton was basically, just give him the ball… and there was no one to take the focus off him. No Aikman and Irvin. No Warner, Holt, or Bruce. Hell, he didn’t even have a single Herman Moore or an Antonio Gates!

It was literally just him!

I personally have no arguments with anyone wanting Sweetness for that #1 spot...certainly a worthy candidate.

I'll just always have Emmit #2, his numbers just demand that he's no lower than that. #1, be it Peyton or Barry, Emmitt is #2, and whichever of the other two isn't #1, is #3 either way is perfectly agreeable to me. ...quirky, but I have my reasons

 

[Payton]

Eddie Payton wasn't that good. I don't understand all the love for him.


Jim Brown
Barry Sanders
Walter Payton
Enmity Smith
Eric Dickerson hate him with a passion, but have to give him his due.

LOL! Totally forgot about Eddie! (He played for the Lions IIRC?)

 

[obxyankeefan]

LOL! Totally forgot about Eddie! (He played for the Lions IIRC?)

Briefly. He mainly played for Minnesota.

 

[eaglesnut]

For me- Barry, Emmitt, Jim Brown, Sweetness, and a 5 way tie between Tomlinson, Faulk, Peterson, Sayers, and Campbell. Gun to my head, I'm taking Faulk as the 5th guy as he was L.T. before L.T., and innovated the way the position is played today. Thorpe is an honorable mention imho, as a lot of what he did great, wasn't as a RB. He's much more a factor in the greatest athlete of all time discussion, than the greatest RB.

No emmitt

Rank	Player	YScm	Year	Tm
Rank	Player	YScm	Year	Tm
1	Chris Johnson (23)	2,509	2009	TEN
2	Marshall Faulk+ (26)	2,429	1999	STL
3	Christian McCaffrey (23)	2,392	2019	CAR
4	Tiki Barber (30)	2,390	2005	NYG
5	LaDainian Tomlinson+ (24)	2,370	2003	SDG
6	Barry Sanders+ (29)	2,358	1997	DET
7	Steven Jackson (23)	2,334	2006	STL
8	LaDainian Tomlinson+ (27)	2,323	2006	SDG
9	Marcus Allen+ (25)	2,314	1985	RAI
	Adrian Peterson (27)	2,314	2012	MIN
11	Edgerrin James+ (22)	2,303	2000	IND
12	Priest Holmes (28)	2,287	2002	KAN
13	Jamal Lewis (24)	2,271	2003	BAL
14	DeMarco Murray (26)	2,261	2014	DAL
15	Ahman Green (26)	2,250	2003	GNB
16	Eric Dickerson+ (24)	2,244	1984	RAM
17	O.J. Simpson+ (28)	2,243	1975	BUF
18	James Wilder (26)	2,229	1984	TAM
19	Marshall Faulk+ (25)	2,227	1998	IND
20	Terrell Davis+ (25)	2,225	1998	DEN
21	Arian Foster (24)	2,220	2010	HOU
22	Ricky Williams (25)	2,216	2002	MIA
23	Le'Veon Bell (22)	2,215	2014	PIT
24	Eric Dickerson+ (23)	2,212	1983	RAM
25	Larry Johnson (26)	2,199	2006	KAN
26	Marshall Faulk+ (27)	2,189	2000	STL
27	Frank Gore (23)	2,180	2006	SFO
28	William Andrews (27)	2,176	1983	ATL
29	LaDainian Tomlinson+ (23)	2,172	2002	SDG
30	Jonathan Taylor (22)	2,171	2021	IND
31	Priest Holmes (27)	2,169	2001	KAN
32	Barry Sanders+ (26)	2,166	1994	DET
33	Jamal Anderson (25)	2,165	1998	ATL
34	Deuce McAllister (24)	2,157	2003	NOR

 

[TKOSpikes]

I didn’t watch Payton growing up. I didn’t fall in love with football until 1988.

So Brown is out too.

If I agree about the Great Wall of Dallas, then I’d have to exclude the Greatest Show on Turf.

The fact these four need a disclaimer with exclusion, probably demands their place in the top five.

But I’ll play devil’s advocate…
Barry Sanders
LaDainian Tomlinson
Adrian Peterson
Marcus Allen
Curtis Martin

But Thurman Thomas is the best.
(Only one to reach four consecutive Super Bowls)