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[SmokingMonkey]

so he's gotta prove more than a Burks, or Williams or Olave, does to get respect.

Who will be the most disappointed with the 1st round draft capital used for Olave:
1) The Saints
2) Saints fans
3) Olave fantasy owners
4) All of the above

he's on my 'avoid' list this year. coaching change, QB transition from Brees still in flux, target hogs Mike Thomas, Kamara, and now Landry on the roster. I need to see it from both those Big 10 guys - Bell and Olave - before I'm sold on either, and considering the fantasy cost, give me Bell 100% of the time as of today.

Bell also an early declare with better production while playing in the same conference with what I'd assume we would all agree is worse QB play at Purdue than what Olave had at OSU

 

[Shanemansj13]

Who will be the most disappointed with the 1st round draft capital used for Olave:
1) The Saints
2) Saints fans
3) Olave fantasy owners
4) All of the above

he's on my 'avoid' list this year. coaching change, QB transition from Brees still in flux, target hogs Mike Thomas, Kamara, and now Landry on the roster. I need to see it from both those Big 10 guys - Bell and Olave - before I'm sold on either, and considering the fantasy cost, give me Bell 100% of the time as of today.

Bell also an early declare with better production while playing in the same conference with what I'd assume we would all agree is worse QB play at Purdue than what Olave had at OSU

I get Landry was cheap so why not sign him but that's a lot of capital to give up for a WR (Olave). Not even a clear top WR in the draft as well. I like Wilson more but I do think Olave is a great route runner but now they have Thomas, Landry and Olave who basically do the same thing. I really don't get that WR depth chart to be honest.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Who will be the most disappointed with the 1st round draft capital used for Olave:
1) The Saints
2) Saints fans
3) Olave fantasy owners
4) All of the above

he's on my 'avoid' list this year. coaching change, QB transition from Brees still in flux, target hogs Mike Thomas, Kamara, and now Landry on the roster. I need to see it from both those Big 10 guys - Bell and Olave - before I'm sold on either, and considering the fantasy cost, give me Bell 100% of the time as of today.

Bell also an early declare with better production while playing in the same conference with what I'd assume we would all agree is worse QB play at Purdue than what Olave had at OSU

Olave was my number one WR for draft purposes until Landry signed.
Drafted him in the back end of D1, so I’m not thrilled.
But tried trading up to #3 in D2 to get him, but that failed…luckily for me.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Olave was my number one WR for draft purposes until Landry signed.
Drafted him in the back end of D1, so I’m not thrilled.
But tried trading up to #3 in D2 to get him, but that failed…luckily for me.

I'm always suspicious of WRs that stay at top tier programs for 4yrs and don't dominate in their final season or two.
Older than competition, established in their offensive system, should be a slam dunk season to stuff the stat sheet.

Mike Thomas and Jarvis Landry are better than the WR competition Olave faced in college, imo

 

[Shanemansj13]

I'm always suspicious of WRs that stay at top tier programs for 4yrs and don't dominate in their final season or two.
Older than competition, established in their offensive system, should be a slam dunk season to stuff the stat sheet.

Mike Thomas and Jarvis Landry are better than the WR competition Olave faced in college, imo

Well tbf he only played in 11 games and had 930 yards 13 TD's. You have Wilson on one side who had 1,050 yards 13 total TD's. Then you had the sophomore who could be the best of the bunch or he took everyone for granted, Smith-Njiba who had 1,600 yards and 9 TD's. Stroud did pretty well spreading the ball around. I get your point to an extent but Wilson didn't dominate either then. Olave also only played in 7 games in 2020.

 

[TREFF]

Honestly, it's not too different than what people said about 2019. That said, I think WR has gained positional value in the past three years because a lot of the WRs picked this year were reaches imo

Very true, and that class, was even thinner at the top end than this one. Oddly, gems like AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Deebo, and Terry Mclaurin were buried in that draft, while Hollywood Brown and mega bust N'Keal Harry were the "top".

So is David Bell a soon to be AJ Brown or McLaurin? Or maybe he takes a few years and he's Deebo? Or is he just another Myles Boykin, Parris Campbell, Jalen Hurd, JCA Whiteside, or Andy Isabella?

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Well tbf he only played in 11 games and had 930 yards 13 TD's. You have Wilson on one side who had 1,050 yards 13 total TD's. Then you had the sophomore who could be the best of the bunch or he took everyone for granted, Smith-Njiba who had 1,600 yards and 9 TD's. Stroud did pretty well spreading the ball around. I get your point to an extent but Wilson didn't dominate either then. Olave also only played in 7 games in 2020.

I forgot to mention he played 3rd fiddle to a sophomore WR 2yrs younger and less experienced in the OSU system, thanks for that additional reason as to why I'm hesitant on Olave.
Always hard to judge a player that continually was outshined on his own college team. Terrance Marshall without the injury concerns?

 

[Clayton]

Very true, and that class, was even thinner at the top end than this one. Oddly, gems like AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Deebo, and Terry Mclaurin were buried in that draft, while Hollywood Brown and mega bust N'Keal Harry were the "top".

So is David Bell a soon to be AJ Brown or McLaurin? Or maybe he takes a few years and he's Deebo? Or is he just another Myles Boykin, Parris Campbell, Jalen Hurd, JCA Whiteside, or Andy Isabella?

It's hard to make exact comparisons because if there was a Deebo or DK I think the NFL has learned enough to draft those guys top 15.

Honestly, I'm not expecting anyone better than Terry Mclaurin in the whole draft.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I forgot to mention he played 3rd fiddle to a sophomore WR 2yrs younger and less experienced in the OSU system, thanks for that additional reason as to why I'm hesitant on Olave.
Always hard to judge a player that continually was outshined on his own college team. Terrance Marshall without the injury concerns?

I mean he was more productive than Marshall but we are also comparing a 5 star almost perfect grade recruit to a 3 star recruit. The only reason Ohio St knew about this kid is bc they were recruiting a 5 star QB and they asked the coaches, "who is the guy WR running the routes?". They offered Olave a scholarship.

I get why you are hesitatant on Olave but it less about the production in college and more about the opportunity and system in New Orleans. Like others have said, before the Landry pickup I liked him more...now I would also be hesitant for an immediate impact. So to see him slip in rookie drafts was not surprising to me. I would have taken a handful of rookie WR's over him bc of opportunity alone.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Honestly, I'm not expecting anyone better than Terry Mclaurin in the whole draft.

agree completely here, back end WR1 production is the ceiling for this class, WR18-26 is prob more realistic ceiling for the top 6-7 WRs in this class

 

[TREFF]

I mean he was more productive than Marshall but we are also comparing a 5 star almost perfect grade recruit to a 3 star recruit. The only reason Ohio St knew about this kid is bc they were recruiting a 5 star QB and they asked the coaches, "who is the guy WR running the routes?". They offered Olave a scholarship.

I get why you are hesitatant on Olave but it less about the production in college and more about the opportunity and system in New Orleans. Like others have said, before the Landry pickup I liked him more...now I would also be hesitant for an immediate impact. So to see him slip in rookie drafts was not surprising to me. I would have taken a handful of rookie WR's over him bc of opportunity alone.

what is the system in NO though? Sean Peyton gone..Jameis Winston now the full time QB..what exactly is the system? to hell if I know. I do know that if I were that coach and Jameis Winston was my QB..I'd have drafted Drake London, and then turned and handed the ball to Kamara/Ingram 30+ times a game, throwing 5 or so "Winston specials" to (hopefully) London 50 yards downfield, because he's the tallest, biggest catch radius that might be able to find a Winston pass.

 

[TREFF]

So Atlanta, taking a page out of the Dolphins playbook..accumulating scrub RB's. Jeremy McNichols signs in ATL, and apparently, an underused CB is being converted into a RB. You get that? a good 5-6 RB's available in the draft that could've been at worst, semi reliable early down bangers, and they get Algeier way late and convert a DB. SMDH

CPat
Algeier
D. Williams
McNIchols
and a DB

(oh and a rookie WR as the #1 and a Raiders castoff at WR)

best of luck Marriota

 

[TREFF]

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports free agent QB Colin Kaepernick's workout with the Raiders "was largely considered a positive."​

In his quest to return to the NFL, Kaepernick reportedly turned in a solid outing with the Raiders on Thursday. Fowler noted that his arm strength and conditioning were both "good overall" as we now wait to get word on a potential signing. The 34-year-old quarterback last played in the league in 2016, but could push for the backup role behind Derek Carr. The Raiders made a trade for former Patriot Jarrett Stidham two weeks ago, and also have journeyman Nick Mullens on the roster.


Hey, IF the guy can play, great, whatever, welcome aboard, especially if you're good enough to displace Derrick f'n Carr.

Much like any other entertainer on my radar, if he can entertain me, I get bang for my buck, I don't care about their politics, criminal history (within limits), or especially the color of their skin. the only reason I care about them at all, is what they bring to the table in my break from reality every Sunday/concert/movie night/whatever, everything else is irrelevant, and when they aren't on the stage in front of me or on my TV screen, they are not a factor in my mind ( Fantasy football studying aside..of course). Just keep that other stuff away from my entertainment dollar..it was hard earned, and spent in good faith that I was buying a break from that crap.

But lets be clear, this dude sucked 6 years ago and hasn't played since, I have a very hard time buying that IF being answered in the affirmative. And if he isn't good enough to be a starting QB, I can't see the circus that follows him being worth it for a backup job.

 

[Shanemansj13]

11 Early Breakout Candidates (2022 Fantasy Football)

 

[obxyankeefan]

Much like any other entertainer on my radar, if he can entertain me, I get bang for my buck, I don't care about their politics, criminal history (within limits), or especially the color of their skin. the only reason I care about them at all, is what they bring to the table in my break from reality every Sunday/concert/movie night/whatever, everything else is irrelevant, and when they aren't on the stage in front of me or on my TV screen, they are not a factor in my mind ( Fantasy football studying aside..of course). Just keep that other stuff away from my entertainment dollar..it was hard earned, and spent in good faith that I was buying a break from that crap.

But lets be clear, this dude sucked 6 years ago and hasn't played since, I have a very hard time buying that IF being answered in the affirmative. And if he isn't good enough to be a starting QB, I can't see the circus that follows him being worth it for a backup job.

This is where I hope he goes to a team I am not a fan of. Let them take the gamble that the circus is worth however many wins he adds.

 

[averagejoe]

lets be clear, this dude sucked 6 years ago and hasn't played since

This may be true, but has the new crop of QB that has come into the NFL been better than a sucky Kap?

Its so bad that Trubs & Mariota are getting second chances. Compared to what is out there, Kap could still be an upgrade.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

This may be true, but has the new crop of QB that has come into the NFL been better than a sucky Kap?

Its so bad that Trubs & Mariota are getting second chances. Compared to what is out there, Kap could still be an upgrade.

NAILED IT - the fact that anyone is bringing him in to kick the tires proves your point.

NFL teams seem even more willing to pull the plug and start over at QB than in the past, and even more likely to throw their newly drafted QB into the fire to see if he has 'it' vs benching them for 2-3yrs to learn the game like they used to.

wouldn't mind seeing Kap compete in SEA or CAR for the starting job, those seem to be the most "in-need" teams right now. HOU maybe too, but I'd see if this Mills kid can chuck it over bringing in the Kap circus. I highly doubt Kap's willingness to accept a backup QB job a few years ago when he was first attempting to come back to the league, but if he's serious about being an NFL'er and be a backup, we could see him on sundays again at some point.

Baker is another one that looks to be on the same career path as Trubs/Mariota - flashed some potential, never put it all together for a full season.
Think Baker's lack of trade partners so far has been due to him wanting to be signed as the QB1 vs into a QB competition? no clue, just flinging some ideas around in the off season...I could be a beat writer!

 

[wilwhite]

Baker is another one that looks to be on the same career path as Trubs/Mariota - flashed some potential, never put it all together for a full season.

He was definitely above the league average in 2020.

I have a suspicion he will perform far better this year than people expect. And if there's no trade and Watson is suspended for a while he'll get a bunch of weeks in September and October to make his case.

I'm not a fan, particularly, but the negative hype is a little overblown IMO.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

He was definitely above the league average in 2020.

I have a suspicion he will perform far better this year than people expect. And if there's no trade and Watson is suspended for a while he'll get a bunch of weeks in September and October to make his case.

I'm not a fan, particularly, but the negative hype is a little overblown IMO.

they won games in 2020, but was that due to Baker or their defense and run game?
Not sure I can agree with ABOVE league avg, with the stats being extremely avg or even below avg in 2020:

• 3500 passing yards - below avg
• 26 TDs - middle of the pack
• 7.3 yd/att - middle of the pack
• 62.8% completion rate - below avg
• 43 big plays (over 20yds) - below avg

Those look like bridge QB stats while your team is looking for its franchise QB, not "pay this man ++$30mil/yr to be our starter". His performance was good ROI on a rookie contract, but teams with an unaddressed need at QB at the end of May are few and far between. I'd much rather have Baker than Kap as my backup QB, for whatever that's worth, but at least Kap's taken a team to the SB before.

 

[wilwhite]

they won games in 2020, but was that due to Baker or their defense and run game?
Not sure I can agree with ABOVE league avg, with the stats being extremely avg or even below avg in 2020:

• 3500 passing yards - below avg
• 26 TDs - middle of the pack
• 7.3 yd/att - middle of the pack
• 62.8% completion rate - below avg
• 43 big plays (over 20yds) - below avg

Those look like bridge QB stats while your team is looking for its franchise QB, not "pay this man ++$30mil/yr to be our starter". His performance was good ROI on a rookie contract, but teams with an unaddressed need at QB at the end of May are few and far between. I'd much rather have Baker than Kap as my backup QB, for whatever that's worth, but at least Kap's taken a team to the SB before.

He was tenth in QBR that year. His interceptions were way down. He didn't get sacked a lot. His Adjusted Net Yards per Pass Attempt - which I think is a great metric - was #12. Not that exciting but still better than half the league.