Down on the Farm 2024

[tzill]

I meant starter as position player. If we sign Snelk we don’t need another of those. I meant a legit starting hitter. Maybe Roberts can be had after he just had a down year

I assume you mean Robert. That said, is that where we need a hitter? With Yaz/Lee/Ramos/McCray already on board? I guess you could include Yaz in the trade....

 

[calsnowskier]

It’s not politically I just heard they need love too. But what about other baseball teams. Sounds like a really good signing if we can make it happen.

He is unsigned until he signs.

 

[msgkings322]

I assume you mean Robert. That said, is that where we need a hitter? With Yaz/Lee/Ramos/McCray already on board? I guess you could include Yaz in the trade....

Maybe not an outfielder then. I guess 2b? It’s tricky we have good to ok hitters at every spot but no great ones. We are all frustrated y the lack of speed and RISP hitting, feels like we need more offense, is running it back with this same bunch enough?

 

[tzill]

Maybe not an outfielder then. I guess 2b? It’s tricky we have good to ok hitters at every spot but no great ones. We are all frustrated y the lack of speed and RISP hitting, feels like we need more offense, is running it back with this same bunch enough?

Well, it wouldn't be the same bunch really....Lee should be healthy, full years from Ramos and Fitz...maybe sign Kim?

 

[msgkings322]

Well, it wouldn't be the same bunch really....Lee should be healthy, full years from Ramos and Fitz...maybe sign Kim?

Kim is hardly a big bat. And are Ramos and Fitz going to be .800 OPS guys all year? I guess it’s how we plan to do it. 2010 style, dominant pitching and decent hitting with no superstar level hitters

 

[tzill]

Kim is hardly a big bat. And are Ramos and Fitz going to be .800 OPS guys all year? I guess it’s how we plan to do it. 2010 style, dominant pitching and decent hitting with no superstar level hitters

Unless Ramos takes a leap

 

[tzill]

https://www.mlb.com/bluejays/news/2024-arizona-fall-league-rosters#nlwest

 

[SF11704]

Kim is hardly a big bat. And are Ramos and Fitz going to be .800 OPS guys all year? I guess it’s how we plan to do it. 2010 style, dominant pitching and decent hitting with no superstar level hitters

While I agree with the position I actually think that your references to 2010 are very wrong. Especially when it comes to pitching. When this season started all you kept posting were comments about how the pitching had changed. All about the third time through the order ..... etc etc etc.

And you were right! Stop contradicting your own position ... you were spot on ....

Just as a comparison ....

In 2010 our top 4 pitchers (all starters) logged in 838 innings and that DID'N'T include Bumgardner.
In 2024 our top 4 pitchers (with 4 games left) logged in 551 innings.

This is a drastic change from the pitching format of our 2010 team. As you said ... it is changing and we will never see the 2010 format again ....

But pitching will always be the key ..... but now it's much more than just what we used to call the starting rotation .... it goes much deeper than that now .... 2010 is not a good comparison point in 2024 .... the change is much more than 'minor' .... almost 300 innings of more ....

 

[msgkings322]

While I agree with the position I actually think that your references to 2010 are very wrong. Especially when it comes to pitching. When this season started all you kept posting were comments about how the pitching had changed. All about the third time through the order ..... etc etc etc.

And you were right! Stop contradicting your own position ... you were spot on ....

Just as a comparison ....

In 2010 our top 4 pitchers (all starters) logged in 838 innings and that DID'N'T include Bumgardner.
In 2024 our top 4 pitchers (with 4 games left) logged in 551 innings.

This is a drastic change from the pitching format of our 2010 team. As you said ... it is changing and we will never see the 2010 format again ....

But pitching will always be the key ..... but now it's much more than just what we used to call the starting rotation .... it goes much deeper than that now .... 2010 is not a good comparison point in 2024 .... the change is much more than 'minor' .... almost 300 innings of more ....

I don't think we're disagreeing much here, I don't see a contradiction...yes pitching is different today, that doesn't change the fact that we should still make that the primary focus of the team to succeed. Maybe the way pitchers are used is different but we should try to be one of the best pitching teams in baseball, that's our advantage with the park, that's what's worked in the past, that's where we can build.

Historically we draft and develop pitchers much better than hitters, and of course we have trouble signing big time hitters as free agents. If we are going to win titles it will have to be pitching and defense and decent hitting, like 2010.

And look at Logan Webb, he'd fit right in as a horse in the earlier era. Snell is the opposite, a 5-6 inning guy...ok so make sure the pen is loaded too. But sign up big name pitchers, keep drafting good ones, etc.

 

[Stokes1931]

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Are these the Giants' players going to the Arizona Fall League?

 

[Stokes1931]

Giants (Scottsdale)

Bryce Eldridge, 1B (No. 1/MLB No. 50) (19 years old, ended season at AAA)

Bryce Eldridge Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

Bryce Eldridge Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

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Bo Davidson, OF (No. 26) (22 years old, ended season at A- San Jose)

Bo Davidson Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

Bo Davidson Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

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Marques Johnson, RHP (24 years old, obtained from Boston in 2023, spent almost all of 2024 on IL)

Marques Johnson Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

Marques Johnson Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

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William Kempner, RHP (23 years old, drafted 3rd round in 2022, did not play in 2024)

William Kempner Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

William Kempner Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

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Cale Lansville, RHP (21 years old, 14th round pick in 2023, ended season at A- San Jose)

Cale Lansville Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

Cale Lansville Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

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Elijah Pleasants, RHP (24 years old, 36th round pick by KC in 2018. Injury issues, has only pitched in 2024, last at San Jose)

Elijah Pleasants Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

Elijah Pleasants Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

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Charlie Szykowny, 3B (24 years old, 9th round draft pick, hit well in San Jose, not so well at Eugene A+)

Charlie Szykowny Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

Charlie Szykowny Stats, Age, Position, Height, Weight, Fantasy & News

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Tyler Vogel, RHP

 

[tzill]

Are these the Giants' players going to the Arizona Fall League?

yes indeed

 

[calsnowskier]

MSN

Just one guy’s ranking, but it comes from BR…

Tell me again why FZ deserves to keep his job?

 

[calsnowskier]

Crawford just had shoulder surgery. He will likely miss all of 2025.

Still too early to call him a bust (he was getting helium before he went down), but this dude just can’t stay on the field.

 

[Stokes1931]

MSN

Just one guy’s ranking, but it comes from BR…

Tell me again why FZ deserves to keep his job?

I am no FZ apologist (other than apologizing for some of his moves), but only 8 of the top 100 prospects are scheduled to play in the AFL. It is usually a showcase for a FEW top prospects (one thinks of Judge, Alonzo, etc) but mostly for up and coming players or players who are recovering from injury/surgery. The Giants have a couple of those at the AFL.

Some of those who might have gone to the AFL, like McCray or Fitz, wound up being bumped up to the major league level before expectations. And the pitchers like Black or Roupp or Birdsong, well, they just need some rest and to strengthen some areas for next season.

I have been disappointed over the years in the players that the Giants have sent to the AFL. I do recall major disappointment in Ramos' time in the AFL, but it may have helped him see what he needed to work on. The defense and arm were there, but he hit under .200 for the six weeks. Still, overall, this batch outside Eldridge does not look very promising.

The positive about the AFL is that the players get a lot of hands on coaching, more than usual, from a variety of sources.

 

[tzill]

The offseason housekeeping has begun for the Giants with Thairo Estrada, Andrew Knapp, and Jakson Reetz electing free agency. There should be quite a few more on the minor league front this month as well

 

[tzill]

The 2018 draft class has now reached 6 years of service time, so if they are not on the 40-man roster, they are set to hit free agency. For the Giants, there are a few names in that mix.

 

[calsnowskier]

The offseason housekeeping has begun for the Giants with Thairo Estrada, Andrew Knapp, and Jakson Reetz electing free agency. There should be quite a few more on the minor league front this month as well

I wouldn’t call these guys declaring FA “housecleaning”. It is standard for pending FAs to file the paperwork making them official FAs. That doesn’t mean they are moving on and it doesn’t mean they are staying.

Estrada, specifically, though, I fully expect to move on. I suspect he can probably get a low-end MLB deal from someone, or at least a NRI somewhere. I don’t see him getting either of those with the Giants.

 

[Stokes1931]

I will be in Phoenix for the Fall League 10/14-10/17, hoping to see six games, three with Scottsdale.

If you haven't been, it is worth the trip. Hotels are much less expensive than during ST. The "crowds" are often about 200 during the week, 1,000+ on the weekends. $10-$12 per game. Sit anywhere you want, and I mean anywhere. Players are often available to chat. Pretty relaxed atmosphere in spite of the competitive nature of the games. More camaraderie than competition. And the weather in Phoenix can be quite pleasant in October-November.

 

[sf1giantfan]

I wouldn’t call these guys declaring FA “housecleaning”. It is standard for pending FAs to file the paperwork making them official FAs. That doesn’t mean they are moving on and it doesn’t mean they are staying.

Estrada, specifically, though, I fully expect to move on. I suspect he can probably get a low-end MLB deal from someone, or at least a NRI somewhere. I don’t see him getting either of those with the Giants.

You are probably correct about Estrada, as I’m leaning to the Giants not resigning him either. But we now have a new man in charge and he might want to give Estrada at least an invite to show he still has it. Maybe Estrada was hurt this past season and Posey knows that it or is a softie for the fellow. Either way I hope him the best next year.