Does Murray stay or does he go?

[R.J. MacReady]

The teams that should have shown him the money, went with older, cheaper options. Shady's contract set the ceiling and potential suitors are drying up. I do believe Murray will be a Cowboy for the next few years. This is a good day.

Shhhhhh! .... Don't jinx it.

 

[UK Cowboy]

So Murray personally called Chip Kelly about coming to the Eagles? Weird. After signing Ryan Matthews, it's hard to imagine the Eagles giving him $8 million per

 

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So Murray personally called Chip Kelly about coming to the Eagles? Weird. After signing Ryan Matthews, it's hard to imagine the Eagles giving him $8 million per

At 3yrs and 11.5m (less than $4m per) to Matthews, there's plenty of room for Murray if he wants to come to Philly. Who knows?

 

[UK Cowboy]

At 3yrs and 11.5m (less than $4m per) to Matthews, there's plenty of room for Murray if he wants to come to Philly. Who knows?

Kelly seems to have lost his mind, so who knows? Shelling out money for Bradford and Matthews who can't stay on the field.....so after giving Matthews $4 million a year, they give Murray $8? That's $12 million a year to RB.....

 

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Kelly seems to have lost his mind, so who knows? Shelling out money for Bradford and Matthews who can't stay on the field.....so after giving Matthews $4 million a year, they give Murray $8? That's $12 million a year to RB.....

If the numbers I was seeing are right (5.1m from DAL, 6.1m from JAX) the Eagles would only need to offer something like 6.283 to be offering the same after state income tax as JAX with a much better O-Line and situation.

Of course I am not giving those numbers much credence (I think Murray gets 7ish per), but that's what I've seen.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

Maybe the Eagles jumped the gun on Matthews, and to get Murray they trade us Matthews on the cheap.



...............yea I know it's nuts.

 

[tomodach10]

The jags don't have a better line than Dallas.if he wants to go to Philly and continue the losing tradition, go ahead.

 

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The jags don't have a better line than Dallas.if he wants to go to Philly and continue the losing tradition, go ahead.

I don't see the need to start slinging mud. I'm only here to discuss where Murray will end up and the financials behind it.

When I mentioned O-lines, I made no mention of Dallas' line, which is a great line, easily the best of the four. All I said (well, implied) was that if it comes down to the money, and DAL isn't offering what JAX/PHI/OAK are, then the best line he can play for would be in Philly.

If he cares about his stats, he should stay in Dallas. If he cares about winning, well, he should pick whomever he feels has the better chance to win between Philly or Dallas. Probably Dallas for the next couple years, to be frank.

 

[jarntt]

If the numbers I was seeing are right (5.1m from DAL, 6.1m from JAX) the Eagles would only need to offer something like 6.283 to be offering the same after state income tax as JAX with a much better O-Line and situation.

Of course I am not giving those numbers much credence (I think Murray gets 7ish per), but that's what I've seen.

And while that would be a good price to pay for Murray, why even give it to him when you already have Matthews, Sproles and Polk? Sure Murray is way better than all of them combined, but wouldn't the money have been better spent on a WR? There are only so many carries and Murray is the type that needs to get the ball. So if Sproles is going to play a lot on 3rd down and Murray on all downs are you paying Matthews $4M (or whatever) to watch? I think you would be better off just using the 3 backs you have and filling holes at other positions with that money to be honest. Wouldn't be surprised if Philly wasn't just trying to panic Jerry into paying more.

 

[jarntt]

For the Cowboys if they really only offered Murray $5M per they better have a better back up plan in mind than Randle or a draft pick that may or may not be there when you pick and may or may not contribute even if he is...

 

[FadeToBlack]

And while that would be a good price to pay for Murray, why even give it to him when you already have Matthews, Sproles and Polk? Sure Murray is way better than all of them combined, but wouldn't the money have been better spent on a WR? There are only so many carries and Murray is the type that needs to get the ball. So if Sproles is going to play a lot on 3rd down and Murray on all downs are you paying Matthews $4M (or whatever) to watch? I think you would be better off just using the 3 backs you have and filling holes at other positions with that money to be honest. Wouldn't be surprised if Philly wasn't just trying to panic Jerry into paying more.

Can't say I disagree with any of your points. Shilling up the 'boys price... what's there to lose from Philly's perspective? He either resigns with DAL for more money than they wanted, or takes more elsewhere, either way Philly benefits.

I don't believe that Chip Kelly is a big Polk fan, and I think he's at least intelligent enough to know there's a good chance Matthews gets hurt, leaving him with Sproles as his feature back, which isn't a great plan. That's why I think the Eagles are still serious about him.

I personally think that if you have an opportunity to add a guy like him without blowing up your cap or surrendering any major assets, you do it. Especially when you know there should be decent chemistry right off the bat.

 

[Manster7588]

Can't say I disagree with any of your points. Shilling up the 'boys price... what's there to lose from Philly's perspective? He either resigns with DAL for more money than they wanted, or takes more elsewhere, either way Philly benefits.

I don't believe that Chip Kelly is a big Polk fan, and I think he's at least intelligent enough to know there's a good chance Matthews gets hurt, leaving him with Sproles as his feature back, which isn't a great plan. That's why I think the Eagles are still serious about him.

I personally think that if you have an opportunity to add a guy like him without blowing up your cap or surrendering any major assets, you do it. Especially when you know there should be decent chemistry right off the bat.

If the reason Philly offers Murray more money is force Dallas to up their offer it is a dumb stratagy. What happens if Murray takes Philly up on their offer. They would then have 4 RB's all wanting the ball. Odds are at least one probably 2 of the backs become disgruntled for lack of touches. Now we all know how Kelly handles unhappy players. Can the Eagles risk Murray taking their offer in a salary cap league?

 

[FadeToBlack]

If the reason Philly offers Murray more money is force Dallas to up their offer it is a dumb stratagy. What happens if Murray takes Philly up on their offer. They would then have 4 RB's all wanting the ball. Odds are at least one probably 2 of the backs become disgruntled for lack of touches. Now we all know how Kelly handles unhappy players. Can the Eagles risk Murray taking their offer in a salary cap league?

With the amount of flexibility they have in terms of the cap ($17m after rookies) right now? Easily. It's a very smart move to attempt to increase the cost of players if a divisional rival lets them make it to FA and still wants to retain their services. Getting rid of Polk or Sproles wouldn't cost much, or we could probably trade Sproles given how good he looked for us last year. It's not like you can't cut or trade guys right now if Murray signs with Philly.

He's visiting Philly tomorrow... I guess there's a pretty good chance he does sign with the Eagles.

 

[Bmurph]

RB DeMarco Murray visiting the Eagles

Free-agent running back DeMarco Murray will visit the Eagles on Thursday, according to a report from ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Murray ran for an NFL-best 1,845 yards and totaled 13 rushing yards for the Cowboys in 2014. The Cowboys have reportedly offered him a deal worth $5 million per year.

The Eagles added running back Ryan Mathews to the roster on Wednesday. However, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that Murray called Eagles coach Chip Kelly to express interest in playing for Philadelphia.

If Murray agreed to a deal with the Eagles, he'd reunite with his former Oklahoma teammate Sam Bradford, the former No. 1 overall pick by the Rams in the 2010 draft. The Eagles traded Nick Foles for Bradford on Tuesday.

 

[Manster7588]

With the amount of flexibility they have in terms of the cap ($17m after rookies) right now? Easily. It's a very smart move to attempt to increase the cost of players if a divisional rival lets them make it to FA and still wants to retain their services. Getting rid of Polk or Sproles wouldn't cost much, or we could probably trade Sproles given how good he looked for us last year. It's not like you can't cut or trade guys right now if Murray signs with Philly.

He's visiting Philly tomorrow... I guess there's a pretty good chance he does sign with the Eagles.

If this was MLB I'd agree, but in the NFL you can't gamble on a contract just to try to bump another teams offer.

 

[FadeToBlack]

If this was MLB I'd agree, but in the NFL you can't gamble on a contract just to try to bump another teams offer.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the healthy discussion, though.

 

[jarntt]

Can't say I disagree with any of your points. Shilling up the 'boys price... what's there to lose from Philly's perspective? He either resigns with DAL for more money than they wanted, or takes more elsewhere, either way Philly benefits.

I don't believe that Chip Kelly is a big Polk fan, and I think he's at least intelligent enough to know there's a good chance Matthews gets hurt, leaving him with Sproles as his feature back, which isn't a great plan. That's why I think the Eagles are still serious about him.

I personally think that if you have an opportunity to add a guy like him without blowing up your cap or surrendering any major assets, you do it. Especially when you know there should be decent chemistry right off the bat.

My point is more was why sign Matthews in the first place then? If you sign Murray you just threw away $4M per year on Matthews.

 

[Manster7588]

My point is more was why sign Matthews in the first place then? If you sign Murray you just threw away $4M per year on Matthews.

I guess his point is the Eagles have plenty of $$$$$$ and 4M is not a problem. Nether is the risk of upsetting the apple cart with disgruntled players. Nevermind the FACT the Kelly is doing what he can to rid the team of disgruntled players.

 

[FadeToBlack]

Yeah, I mean, Kelly likes to stack up good players and fit them where he can and when he can. He has no issues cutting/trading somebody if they don't buy into his system, regardless of how hard the fans will ride him for it or how bad it may appear. I think we've all seen that at this point with the moves he's made in the past two offseasons.

As for the Matthews signing, I'm guessing Kelly didn't think there was a very real shot that Murray would go to Philly when that went through, but obviously things have heated up tonight. It's bad strategy to make offers to players one at a time... make the offers you can, then rescind offers once you sign somebody. The fact that Murray's contract offer hasn't been rescinded tells me Kelly must really want him. Matthews is the backup plan. I'm guessing if Murray signs here, he gets the bulk of the carries, Matthews is the #2 with 5-10 a game, and Sproles is a designated return guy and slot specialist.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

If jerrah really wanted murray this plane ride would not be happening. Possibly murray is disgruntled. The barber contract may be on jerrah mind. The fact remains murray has suffered broken bones quite a few times. Murray does have connection and it appears he is going to be and eagle. Its still a business and can't blame murray for going after it. To me I don't think one great year warrants 8 million per year.