Does anyone think that the Dbacks will win the NL West in 2016?

[The Q]

You gotta like the Dodgers SP depth.

Arizona's depth is in the minors.

SF also has depth. although arguably not as high end as either LA or AZ.

 

[Omar 382]

I don't trust ethier to repeat his 2015, which Joc Pederson are we gonna get?

Can Turner do it again?

Everyone has some serious questions.

We're probably going to get the Pederson who can get on base at a .350 clip and hit for some power. And that's probably the base- going off last years' numbers with the Dodgers. He will likely improve upon it and show signs of the player he was in the minors.

As for Turner, in the last two years he has shown signs of a great hitter. A high 2-0 total, he has been attacking pitches in the zone a lot more, but has still maintained a walk rate around 8%. He also had a staggering line drive percentage last year of 27.7%. The bigger question with Turner is "Can he stay healthy?"

 

[calsnowskier]

Yes. I agree with you.

But it's still a ?

Plus the giants park and defense will make him look much better than Chicago's launching pad and soccer players out behind him.

Of course it is a question. The Angels CF picture is still, technically a question. Although it is a very small question.

I think a STRONG argument can be made that the Giants have the #2 1-3 in all of baseball. And their 4/5 situation is one of the stronger scenarios in the game as well (highest up-side). Every one of the Giants expected top 5 has started at least one opening day game I their career, as a legit ace. I don't remember the last time any team has gone into ST with that kind of rotation. (Granted, Peavy is no longer anywhere near an Ace, and the odds are against Cain reclaiming that level as well)

 

[calsnowskier]

You gotta like the Dodgers SP depth.

Arizona's depth is in the minors.

SF also has depth. although arguably not as high end as either LA or AZ.

???

Best 1-3 (AZ us solid as well). Strong 4/5. 4 or 5 solid alternates (Heston, Blackburn, Blach, Mejia, Beede...)

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Other than our top three we still have:

Robbie Ray, Rubby De la rosa, Archie Bradley, Braden Shipley, Zach Godley, Yoan Lopez, etc.

But I thought our farm was depleted?

 

[calsnowskier]

Other than our top three we still have:

Robbie Ray, Rubby De la rosa, Archie Bradley, Braden Shipley, Zach Godley, Yoan Lopez, etc.

But I thought our farm was depleted?

LOL

If you are not the Yankees, Red Sox or Cards, the national media pretty much ignores your farm. The Giants have had a "nuclear wasteland" for at least the last 10 years, yet now have 27 home-grown players on the 40 (tops in the bigs) and the arguable best infield in the bigs, entirely made up of home-grown talent.v

Even more funny, when the Giants traded Keurry Mella to the Reds last year, he was rated about the #5 prospect by most Giants prospect hounds. He is now an MLB top 100 prospect by the national guys, yet only one of guys who ranked above him in the Giants system are even mentioned (Arroyo is typically listed, but not Beede, Blackburn, Mejia or Williamson).

 

[dredinis21]

LOL

If you are not the Yankees, Red Sox or Cards, the national media pretty much ignores your farm. The Giants have had a "nuclear wasteland" for at least the last 10 years, yet now have 27 home-grown players on the 40 (tops in the bigs) and the arguable best infield in the bigs, entirely made up of home-grown talent.v

Even more funny, when the Giants traded Keurry Mella to the Reds last year, he was rated about the #5 prospect by most Giants prospect hounds. He is now an MLB top 100 prospect by the national guys, yet only one of guys who ranked above him in the Giants system are even mentioned (Arroyo is typically listed, but not Beede, Blackburn, Mejia or Williamson).

I don't trip out about where the National pundits/idiots rank our farm system. Our farm is the MAIN reason why we won 3 ships in 6 years and anyone paying attention would agree. The nucleus of all 3 Championship teams were primarily home grown and year after year, we continue to develop players who exemplify exactly the "Giant Way" mentality that this organization has sought out. Any grade is typically undervaluing what the Giants as an organization value while overvaluing raw tools without production. Hence the reason guys like Bickford are ranked so highly despite VERY limited PT at the professional level.

To the guy who expects Duffy and Panik to regress, I would ask you why you feel that way? IIRC, not once last season did Duffy go 0 for 4 two games in a row while improving tremendously playing 3B for the first time in his career...and Panik has had two different seasons of All-Star quality play with injuries being what has sidetracked his progress. Both are also getting better defensively, going from good to great last season. If both stay healthy, both are only 24 years old with some offensive success.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

LOL

If you are not the Yankees, Red Sox or Cards, the national media pretty much ignores your farm. The Giants have had a "nuclear wasteland" for at least the last 10 years, yet now have 27 home-grown players on the 40 (tops in the bigs) and the arguable best infield in the bigs, entirely made up of home-grown talent.v

Even more funny, when the Giants traded Keurry Mella to the Reds last year, he was rated about the #5 prospect by most Giants prospect hounds. He is now an MLB top 100 prospect by the national guys, yet only one of guys who ranked above him in the Giants system are even mentioned (Arroyo is typically listed, but not Beede, Blackburn, Mejia or Williamson).

Yeah, SF and STL are model organizations in terms of player development as far as farm systems go in my opinion. Rankings mean jack shit. Public perception is always twisted by the media and their agendas.

It's just laughable when I get fans that don't follow AZ's system at all tell me that we are depleted of young talent. What, did Keith Law or Ken Rosenthal tell you that? Ha. Half our active roster is filled with young talent we've brought up in the last year or two. We've traded 3 total prospects this offseason and acquired 4 total, not to mention all the talent we got from dealing Montero, Trumbo, Parra, Miley, etc. before making these deals… it was a very deep system that could afford to take a hit.

 

[The Q]

I don't trip out about where the National pundits/idiots rank our farm system. Our farm is the MAIN reason why we won 3 ships in 6 years and anyone paying attention would agree. The nucleus of all 3 Championship teams were primarily home grown and year after year, we continue to develop players who exemplify exactly the "Giant Way" mentality that this organization has sought out. Any grade is typically undervaluing what the Giants as an organization value while overvaluing raw tools without production. Hence the reason guys like Bickford are ranked so highly despite VERY limited PT at the professional level.

To the guy who expects Duffy and Panik to regress, I would ask you why you feel that way? IIRC, not once last season did Duffy go 0 for 4 two games in a row while improving tremendously playing 3B for the first time in his career...and Panik has had two different seasons of All-Star quality play with injuries being what has sidetracked his progress. Both are also getting better defensively, going from good to great last season. If both stay healthy, both are only 24 years old with some offensive success.

1) both are already 25, not 24.

2) both are heavy BABIP inflated numbers and showed power that they never came close to showing in the minors. They're both likely to regress back to their true talent levels, meaning neither will hit for much power and some solid averages/OBPs.

They'll still be useful, but expecting them to repeat last year is unlikely without some major skill changes.

 

[dredinis21]

1) both are already 25, not 24.

2) both are heavy BABIP inflated numbers and showed power that they never came close to showing in the minors. They're both likely to regress back to their true talent levels, meaning neither will hit for much power and some solid averages/OBPs.

They'll still be useful, but expecting them to repeat last year is unlikely without some major skill changes.

My bad, 25 vs 24...that's still to the crux of my point that they aren't over the hill vets.

They are both line drive hitters who tend to hit to all sides of the field while fielding their positions extremely well. AT&T is unique in its measurements and both hitters are damn near tailor made for this park. Do I expect them to hit a ton of bombs? No, but I also don't expect their numbers to fall off otherwise. If HRs drop, then I would expect their triples and doubles to go up significantly.

Duffy could hit 0 HRs next season but as long as he does all the other things he showed us last season, he will still have tremendous value and NONE of us would trade him for Panda. Keep in mind that the Giants were batting Duffy 3rd from the middle to end of last season, that's how highly they thought of his bat and ability to put the ball in play.

 

[The Q]

My bad, 25 vs 24...that's still to the crux of my point that they aren't over the hill vets.

They are both line drive hitters who tend to hit to all sides of the field while fielding their positions extremely well. AT&T is unique in its measurements and both hitters are damn near tailor made for this park. Do I expect them to hit a ton of bombs? No, but I also don't expect their numbers to fall off otherwise. If HRs drop, then I would expect their triples and doubles to go up significantly.

Duffy could hit 0 HRs next season but as long as he does all the other things he showed us last season, he will still have tremendous value and NONE of us would trade him for Panda. Keep in mind that the Giants were batting Duffy 3rd from the middle to end of last season, that's how highly they thought of his bat and ability to put the ball in play.

I'm not disagreeing with a lot of that. But i expect their power and avg to drop. But they're both good fielders so they still have value.

FTR I never wanted Panda.

 

[johnson]

This question is especially for non-Dbacks fans.

I think AZ has just as much a chance as SF or LAD. I'm just happy to be able to say that with a straight for the first time in a few years. This will be the first time in a while I will buy tickets to see them.

Even if Grienke regresses a little...a regressed Zach Grienke is still a MONSTER upgrade to the Dback rotation. I like that they added Clippard to the pen. If they get a full season out of Corbin, that's a major plus. The hitting should be good again.

Biggest questions marks are the back end of the rotation, potentially weak bats at 2B/SS/C, and the bullpen.

 

[dredinis21]

I'm not disagreeing with a lot of that. But i expect their power and avg to drop. But they're both good fielders so they still have value.

FTR I never wanted Panda.

My Panda crack had nothing to do with Boston. It had to do with the Giants making the right decision of not chasing Panda's contract demands based on skill sets, production, and consistency to be in some shape other then round vs what Duffy has brought to the table...pun intended.

Back to Duffy and PanikI don't expect either's avg to drop at all. Like I said, both are contact hitters and both have showed consistency with that in the minors. Also, look at Belt for guys who have their approach to the plate altered in the minors and power consistency rise as they get to the bigs. Belt has been a power threat. Now if the asshole could stay healthy, that would be great....but that's another story.

 

[The Q]

My Panda crack had nothing to do with Boston. It had to do with the Giants making the right decision of not chasing Panda's contract demands based on skill sets, production, and consistency to be in some shape other then round vs what Duffy has brought to the table...pun intended.

Back to Duffy and PanikI don't expect either's avg to drop at all. Like I said, both are contact hitters and both have showed consistency with that in the minors. Also, look at Belt for guys who have their approach to the plate altered in the minors and power consistency rise as they get to the bigs. Belt has been a power threat. Now if the asshole could stay healthy, that would be great....but that's another story.

The panda part is a bit revisionist history. You guys went over 90 mil for him.

 

[Clayton]

This years Chicago White Sox.

No depth. No chance.

 

[dredinis21]

The panda part is a bit revisionist history. You guys went over 90 mil for him.

90 mil with provisions for weight. Don't you wish BOS did the same? That's the part where he said that SF disrespected him....no, it's because we have seen what happens when you aren't motivated.

 

[The Q]

90 mil with provisions for weight. Don't you wish BOS did the same? That's the part where he said that SF disrespected him....no, it's because we have seen what happens when you aren't motivated.

Still. You came up with the money and obviously wanted him back.

I still don't know WTF Cherington was thinking. Hanley was the better option for 3B either way.

 

[dredinis21]

Still. You came up with the money and obviously wanted him back.

I still don't know WTF Cherington was thinking. Hanley was the better option for 3B either way.

Of course they came up with the money. Panda was beloved in the Bay Area and when he's in shape, he's an above average 3B. The problem is that he needed to be poked and prodded to get himself in shape for spring training and even if he would lose the 40+ lbs, he would gain it all back by the end of the season.

 

[Eugene Baker III]

This question is especially for non-Dbacks fans.

ESPN and MLB say Diamondbacks take the Division, but since they are shitheads the Zonis don't stand a chance.

Bleacher Report says Giants, but they are shitheads too....

....but USA Today says Giants.

I say Giants...even numbered year, you know.

San Francisco Giants/World Series championships/

2014

2012

2010

1954

 

[The Q]

ESPN and MLB say Diamondbacks take the Division, but since they are shitheads the Zonis don't stand a chance.

Bleacher Report says Giants, but they are shitheads too....

....but USA Today says Giants.

I say Giants...even numbered year, you know.

San Francisco Giants/World Series championships/

2014

2012

2010

1954
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1...X&ved=0ahUKEwjWuPmqy5HLAhUJ6WMKHViUA4QQri4IIg

What about 2002, aka the best team on that list?