Did you know that NFL QB's did not average...

[broncosmitty]

If Andy Dalton were to win two Super Bowls in future seasons, having the career he's had so far, would you say he's HOF?

An objectively bad QB shouldn't be in the HOF conversation just because they had 2 good games.

Andy Dalton lost his job.


If he's someone else's starter next year he should be happy.


It's a silly comparison.

 

[megalodon30]

Andy Dalton lost his job.


If he's someone else's starter next year he should be happy.


It's a silly comparison.

Eli lost his job, too. Multiple times. Once to Geno Smith.

A dude who loses their job to Geno Smith should be HOF?

 

[broncosmitty]

Eli lost his job, too. Multiple times. Once to Geno Smith.

A dude who loses their job to Geno Smith should be HOF?

Geno started one game for the Giants.

 

[NFL-Solomon]

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BTW... this thread should be referenced any time someone argues that Eli Manning belongs in the Hall of Fame for accumulating a bunch of empty calorie numbers to become top 10 all-time in a bunch of shit

John Elway … most overrated QB, EVER.
Eli Manning … Most overrated active QB.

 

[NFL-Solomon]

He only made the playoffs 6 times and 4 of those times he was 1 and done with stats similar to Andy Dalton's playoff stats.

AND
the other 2 times he had the #1 playoff defense

 

[gohusk]

There were a lot of rule changes in the late 70s and early 80s. Prior to that, Defenders were allowed to absolutely mug receivers. That also changed the game a lot

WCO changed everything as well. It used to be about yardage and td passes before the 49ers of the 80's and after they hit then scene it became more about efficiency.

 

[Robotech]

AND
the other 2 times he had the #1 playoff defense

Yeah, a great defense can be everything. They'll score for you, gve you great field position, and keep the other team from scoring.

 

[msgkings322]

... a positive TD/INT ratio until 1984. The push over the hump to a collective positive TD/INT% was facilitated by Dan Marino's historically monstrous statistical season. Which really puts into perspective how phenomenal it was.

The next year the NFL would return to a negative collective TD/INT ratio. In 1992, it occurred for the final time.

Furthermore, into the late 70's the NFL would see seasons where the cumulative INT% was near 6.0% on average. Today, it sits at nearly 1/3 of that at 2.2%.

During the SB era; entering every decade the league's average passer rating was:

1970: 65.6
1980: 73.7
1990: 77.3
2000: 78.1
2010: 84.1

2019: 92.3

Upward trends really begin at the end of the 2000's (rating was just barely at 80.0 flat in 2006 and CMP% at 59% where it's now at 65%) and it takes on an even bigger spike in the mid-10's. To me... the noticeable breakthrough was 2011 after some rule changes with points of emphasis and 3 QB's finishing around 5K in yardage. Which was facilitated further by the arrival of Wilson/Kaep into the NFL as starters in 2012 and the spread offense slowly becoming mainstream.

www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm

I thought this shit was interesting for no reason. Really puts into perspective why comparing QB numbers across eras is stupid. It also puts into perspective why I hate hearing about how (insert QB here) has better numbers to begin his career than Manning, Brady, Favre, Young, etc.

BTW... this thread should be referenced any time someone argues that Eli Manning belongs in the Hall of Fame for accumulating a bunch of empty calorie numbers to become top 10 all-time in a bunch of shit

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwjX982Emu7lAhVEk54KHeheBX0QMygHegUIARD7AQ
Appreciate this post, the QB position was far less important back in the 60s-80s era. They didn't have to post Brady numbers to win back then, you could ride a RB. So that implies the modern QB is a far more advanced and talented athlete.

Everyone's seen this shot from after SB I, just sayin':

600 × 800

 

[NFL-Solomon]

Yeah, a great defense can be everything. They'll score for you, gve you great field position, and keep the other team from scoring.

My point exactly. No other multiple SB winning QB had the #1 Scoring Defense in the playoffs every time he won the SB, or hell, in Eli's case, a playoff game.

 

[Robotech]

Appreciate this post, the QB position was far less important back in the 60s-80s era. They didn't have to post Brady numbers to win back then, you could ride a RB. So that implies the modern QB is a far more advanced and talented athlete.

Everyone's seen this shot from after SB I, just sayin':

600 × 800

Yeah, this is solid work by richie. He probably does more research than people who are paid to talk about the NFL.