Did you know that NFL QB's did not average...

[TheRangerDude]

I imagine there's a ton of factors. I'd say uniform changes have played a role too. Those old larger shoulder pads seem like they could get in the way some too... for both throwing and catching.

 

[NinerSickness]

... a positive TD/INT ratio until 1984. The push over the hump to a collective positive TD/INT% was facilitated by Dan Marino's historically monstrous statistical season. Which really puts into perspective how phenomenal it was.

The next year the NFL would return to a negative collective TD/INT ratio. In 1992, it occurred for the final time.

Furthermore, into the late 70's the NFL would see seasons where the cumulative INT% was near 6.0% on average. Today, it sits at nearly 1/3 of that at 2.2%.

During the SB era; entering every decade the league's average passer rating was:

1970: 65.6
1980: 73.7
1990: 77.3
2000: 78.1
2010: 84.1

2019: 92.3

Upward trends really begin at the end of the 2000's (rating was just barely at 80.0 flat in 2006 and CMP% at 59% where it's now at 65%) and it takes on an even bigger spike in the mid-10's. To me... the noticeable breakthrough was 2011 after some rule changes with points of emphasis and 3 QB's finishing around 5K in yardage. Which was facilitated further by the arrival of Wilson/Kaep into the NFL as starters in 2012 and the spread offense slowly becoming mainstream.

www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm

I thought this shit was interesting for no reason. Really puts into perspective why comparing QB numbers across eras is stupid. It also puts into perspective why I hate hearing about how (insert QB here) has better numbers to begin his career than Manning, Brady, Favre, Young, etc.

BTW... this thread should be referenced any time someone argues that Eli Manning belongs in the Hall of Fame for accumulating a bunch of empty calorie numbers to become top 10 all-time in a bunch of shit

The game was different before lawyers started making defense illegal.

 

[Robotech]

The game was different before lawyers started making defense illegal.

Hey, hey. Lawyers are good people.

 

[NinerSickness]

Hey, hey. Lawyers are good people.

I haven't heard this lawyer joke before. I don't get it .

 

[broncosmitty]

Eli is a HOFer. No getting around it.


Phil Rivers, not so much.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

When I read this thread, I can only imagine what Unitas could have done in today's NFL.

 

[Mofo]

... a positive TD/INT ratio until 1984. The push over the hump to a collective positive TD/INT% was facilitated by Dan Marino's historically monstrous statistical season. Which really puts into perspective how phenomenal it was.

The next year the NFL would return to a negative collective TD/INT ratio. In 1992, it occurred for the final time.

Furthermore, into the late 70's the NFL would see seasons where the cumulative INT% was near 6.0% on average. Today, it sits at nearly 1/3 of that at 2.2%.

During the SB era; entering every decade the league's average passer rating was:

1970: 65.6
1980: 73.7
1990: 77.3
2000: 78.1
2010: 84.1

2019: 92.3

Upward trends really begin at the end of the 2000's (rating was just barely at 80.0 flat in 2006 and CMP% at 59% where it's now at 65%) and it takes on an even bigger spike in the mid-10's. To me... the noticeable breakthrough was 2011 after some rule changes with points of emphasis and 3 QB's finishing around 5K in yardage. Which was facilitated further by the arrival of Wilson/Kaep into the NFL as starters in 2012 and the spread offense slowly becoming mainstream.

www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm

I thought this shit was interesting for no reason. Really puts into perspective why comparing QB numbers across eras is stupid. It also puts into perspective why I hate hearing about how (insert QB here) has better numbers to begin his career than Manning, Brady, Favre, Young, etc.

BTW... this thread should be referenced any time someone argues that Eli Manning belongs in the Hall of Fame for accumulating a bunch of empty calorie numbers to become top 10 all-time in a bunch of shit

Yeah, but now that Dwayne Haskins and Baker Mayfield have entered the League, we gonna reverse it back!

 

[Robotech]

Eli is a HOFer. No getting around it.


Phil Rivers, not so much.

Eli will make it for sure even though he doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

 

[broncosmitty]

Eli will make it for sure even though he doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

It's an easily justifiable vote imo.


Rivers, impossible to justify.

 

[Southieinnc]

Yeah. If Marino played on a better team, he surely would've finished with a passer rating above 90, maybe even close to 100.

And still no Superbowl wins.....

 

[Ricky Roma]

And still no Superbowl wins.....

In this era, where QB's determine wins and losses more than at any other time....he'd have one.

 

[richig07]

It's an easily justifiable vote imo.


Rivers, impossible to justify.

How do you justify voting in a QB for two good post-seasons and a below average career? Very Jim Plunketty.

 

[Ricky Roma]

Eli has been overly fortunate to start his career the same year the NFL reinforced rules that have led to the astronomical stats that we see today. Sure...those numbers have only increased, ie 2011 to present, but the fact of the matter is, Eli isn't a top 10 type guy within his own era year to year.

Not saying he won't make the HOF, because there really is no set criteria for that distinction, and because the NFL HOF is somewhat of a joke anyway....but there is no logical and valid reason as to why he deserves it. None.

 

[broncosmitty]

How do you justify voting in a QB for two good post-seasons and a below average career? Very Jim Plunketty.

How do you justify calling his career below average?





I find that ridiculous to be honest.

 

[Southieinnc]

Eli has been overly fortunate to start his career the same year the NFL reinforced rules that have led to the astronomical stats that we see today. Sure...those numbers have only increased, ie 2011 to present, but the fact of the matter is, Eli isn't a top 10 type guy within his own era year to year.

Not saying he won't make the HOF, because there really is no set criteria for that distinction, and because the NFL HOF is somewhat of a joke anyway....but there is no logical and valid reason as to why he deserves it. None.

He played in New York.
He played for Mara
His name is Manning
He beat the Patriots

Non of those are valid but these are the reasons he will get in. Easily. Yes, it's a joke.....

 

[Robotech]

It's an easily justifiable vote imo.


Rivers, impossible to justify.

Eli Manning is an average NFL QB. He's the epitome of it. His longevity is impressive, and his long playing career gives us a ton of information about him, and the info shows that he is an average QB. He will make it in the Hall of Fame for sure, but he doesn't actually deserve the honor.

 

[megalodon30]

How do you justify calling his career below average?





I find that ridiculous to be honest.

He only made the playoffs 6 times and 4 of those times he was 1 and done with stats similar to Andy Dalton's playoff stats.

 

[broncosmitty]

He only made the playoffs 6 times and 4 of those times he was 1 and done with stats similar to Andy Dalton's playoff stats.

And the other two he was Super Bowl MVP.



Andy Dalton would kill school children for Eli's career.

 

[broncosmitty]

With his bare hands.

 

[megalodon30]

And the other two he was Super Bowl MVP.



Andy Dalton would kill school children for Eli's career.

If Andy Dalton were to win two Super Bowls in future seasons, having the career he's had so far, would you say he's HOF?

An objectively bad QB shouldn't be in the HOF conversation just because they had 2 good games.