Did you guys hear this?

[deanpet21]

Thats the thing about leverage... no one willingly gives it up. You either have it or you dont. And in this situation, washington has very little.

Do you really think KS is going to nix the deal if the Skins say we just want your #2 overall pick for KC? Ks has a shot to get his guy so this trade should be done at the combine. If we can get more great but I would be satisfied with #2 overall.

 

[Sharkinva]

Do you really think KS is going to nix the deal if the Skins say we just want your #2 overall pick for KC? Ks has a shot to get his guy so this trade should be done at the combine. If we can get more great but I would be satisfied with #2 overall.

I think Kyle would come back and say, Kirk and your #17 for the number two. The Skins are in a poor leverage situation of their own making. YOu refuse to accept that because you seem to want to get that #2. You also seem to think that we will do something other than take a QB with said named #2 pick.

Just realize the Skins have fucked themselves on this one. The only way out is to either Pay Kirk.. a lot more than they wanted to at this point, Or take what they can get and I dont think they get that #2 for Kirk straight up.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Do you really think KS is going to nix the deal if the Skins say we just want your #2 overall pick for KC? Ks has a shot to get his guy so this trade should be done at the combine. If we can get more great but I would be satisfied with #2 overall.

So now you are fine w/ just one pick? Pretty soon you will be stating that you are fine w/ a 2nd rounder. Boy - you really want Cousins gone (oh that's rt unless they get him cheap).

After that I am guessing this will be your approach for the next QB





Maybe they find the next QB in a year or two or maybe they wait another 20 years. If things unfold in this manner you may be very surprised to find out that finding a good QB is not as easy as you think (& may regret not paying that extra $15-20M).

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I think Kyle would come back and say, Kirk and your #17 for the number two. The Skins are in a poor leverage situation of their own making. YOu refuse to accept that because you seem to want to get that #2. You also seem to think that we will do something other than take a QB with said named #2 pick.

Just realize the Skins have fucked themselves on this one. The only way out is to either Pay Kirk.. a lot more than they wanted to at this point, Or take what they can get and I dont think they get that #2 for Kirk straight up.

They are going to sign him. Fuck Florio and whatever hacks work for NFL-N or WP - they are reaching.

 

[deanpet21]

I think Kyle would come back and say, Kirk and your #17 for the number two. The Skins are in a poor leverage situation of their own making. YOu refuse to accept that because you seem to want to get that #2. You also seem to think that we will do something other than take a QB with said named #2 pick.

Just realize the Skins have fucked themselves on this one. The only way out is to either Pay Kirk.. a lot more than they wanted to at this point, Or take what they can get and I dont think they get that #2 for Kirk straight up.

No I meant the final offer from the Skins would be for the #2 pick or you don't get KC. Kyle will do it. From what your saying that the #17 pick is worth more than KC? lol. Kyle wants him so I don't think he has all the leverage. You are saying Kyle will do the deal for the swap but wont to the deal for just the #2 pick. lol. That is crazy!!!

 

[deanpet21]

They are going to sign him. Fuck Florio and whatever hacks work for NFL-N or WP - they are reaching.

Very possible.

 

[Sharkinva]

They are going to sign him. Fuck Florio and whatever hacks work for NFL-N or WP - they are reaching.

Hey.. you know I have been saying they need to just get him signed long term. SO I hope you are right. But I cant simply ignore the signs pointing towards us fucking this up because I dont want us to do exactly what we are good at doing in the first place.

 

[Sharkinva]

No I meant the final offer from the Skins would be for the #2 pick or you don't get KC. Kyle will do it. From what your saying that the #17 pick is worth more than KC? lol. Kyle wants him so I don't think he has all the leverage. You are saying Kyle will do the deal for the swap but wont to the deal for just the #2 pick. lol. That is crazy!!!

Like I said, I think if thats the Skins final offer....

The Redskins in this case are more desperate to move Cousins than the Niners would be to have him right now. The Niners can afford to wait a year. The Redskins cant. You dont seem to want to grasp that though.

 

[deanpet21]

Like I said, I think if thats the Skins final offer....

The Redskins in this case are more desperate to move Cousins than the Niners would be to have him right now. The Niners can afford to wait a year. The Redskins cant. You dont seem to want to grasp that though.

Why would Kyle want to wait a year when there is no guarantee he can get Kc in 2018? That is just stupid. Plus he could be paying more in 2018. Just b/c Kyle wont part with the #17 overall pick you don't think this deal gets done? Cmon Man!!!

 

[Sharkinva]

Why would Kyle want to wait a year when there is no guarantee he can get Kc in 2018? That is just stupid. Plus he could be paying more in 2018. Just b/c Kyle wont part with the #17 overall pick you don't think this deal gets done? Cmon Man!!!

Again dude.. you are the one who is desperate for that #2 overall pick. Kyle has it. Sure he might want Kirk, but he isnt going to just hand over the #2 pick for Kirk without counter offering. Because we fucked up, we need to move Kirk or overpay him, more than Kyle needs him at the moment.

Never mind the fact that we would be doing all this just to draft Watson in the end.

 

[deanpet21]

Again dude.. you are the one who is desperate for that #2 overall pick. Kyle has it. Sure he might want Kirk, but he isnt going to just hand over the #2 pick for Kirk without counter offering. Because we fucked up, we need to move Kirk or overpay him, more than Kyle needs him at the moment.

Never mind the fact that we would be doing all this just to draft Watson in the end.

You are wrong. Kyle makes the first offer. The Skins turn it down and say we want the #2 pick and that's it. Take it or leave it. There is no way Kyle walks away from that. The deal is done thrn Sf gives Kc 90 plus g.

If we pass on Allen for one of these over rated QB's I will blow a gasket. Even more blown than the Scherff over Williams pick.

 

[Sharkinva]

You are wrong. Kyle makes the first offer. The Skins turn it down and say we want the #2 pick and that's it. Take it or leave it. There is no way Kyle walks away from that. The deal is done thrn Sf gives Kc 90 plus g.

If we pass on Allen for one of these over rated QB's I will blow a gasket. Even more blown than the Scherff over Williams pick.

I would suggest two things.

1. Look at what teams have given up in order to trade into the #2 spot. Hell we gave up two 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder and SWAPPED the #6 pick just to get the #2.

What did the Eagles give up last year to get the #2 spot?? And extra first and a 3rd I believe.

Yet you think we will get the #2 pick in the draft for a QB that you have deemed average at best and incapable of winning big games... all because Kyle likes him. You are nuts.

2. If we get the #2 pick, I would suggest you order a spare gasket. Because there is no way in hell Dan Snyder is going to go into the season with Colt McCoy as his starter. If we deal Kirk, we are going to do something ultra sexy with that #2 pick.. and that spells Watson all day long.

 

[deanpet21]

I would suggest two things.

1. Look at what teams have given up in order to trade into the #2 spot. Hell we gave up two 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder and SWAPPED the #6 pick just to get the #2.

What did the Eagles give up last year to get the #2 spot?? And extra first and a 3rd I believe.

Yet you think we will get the #2 pick in the draft for a QB that you have deemed average at best and incapable of winning big games... all because Kyle likes him. You are nuts.

2. If we get the #2 pick, I would suggest you order a spare gasket. Because there is no way in hell Dan Snyder is going to go into the season with Colt McCoy as his starter. If we deal Kirk, we are going to do something ultra sexy with that #2 pick.. and that spells Watson all day long.

1. I'm not nuts, you cant compare draft day trades to this. Kc is going to be the highest paid qb in the league how can you compare that to a rookie? Yes Kyle loves this guy and I believe he wont stop at the #17 pick to get him.

2. We discussed this before. Veteran QB in FA, McCoy, #17 pick, or a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick could be our QB. Doesn't have to be at #2.

 

[Sharkinva]

1. I'm not nuts, you cant compare draft day trades to this. Kc is going to be the highest paid qb in the league how can you compare that to a rookie? Yes Kyle loves this guy and I believe he wont stop at the #17 pick to get him.

2. We discussed this before. Veteran QB in FA, McCoy, #17 pick, or a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick could be our QB. Doesn't have to be at #2.

NO sir I think you are 100% batshit crazy to assume that Kyle is so desperate to get Cousins that he would be willing to in effect bail the Skins out on this one. Because it wouldnt be a draft day trade. The trade we did to get Griffin was a trade that was done a month before the draft.

The Eagles AND the Rams both did their trades last year well before the draft.

You are in effect saying we should trade our QB for a D-lineman and roll with McCoy or a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Because there is no way we get the #2 and hang onto the #17 for what you have deemed an average QB that wouldnt be worth shit without all the weapons we put around him.

Side note, if this does come down to a draft day trade, the Skins lose. Because something you dont take into account is, lets say Kyle is actually willing to give up two first rounders for Kirk... but not the #2 over all. All the Niners have to do is wait until the 2nd day of the draft and sign Cousins to an offer sheet. We would then still get two first rounders.. .but they would be in 2018 and 2019. IN which case, we still wouldnt have a QB, and we would have missed out on getting Allen OR any of the rookie QBs.

 

[deanpet21]

NO sir I think you are 100% batshit crazy to assume that Kyle is so desperate to get Cousins that he would be willing to in effect bail the Skins out on this one. Because it wouldnt be a draft day trade. The trade we did to get Griffin was a trade that was done a month before the draft.

The Eagles AND the Rams both did their trades last year well before the draft.

You are in effect saying we should trade our QB for a D-lineman and roll with McCoy or a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Because there is no way we get the #2 and hang onto the #17 for what you have deemed an average QB that wouldnt be worth shit without all the weapons we put around him.

Side note, if this does come down to a draft day trade, the Skins lose. Because something you dont take into account is, lets say Kyle is actually willing to give up two first rounders for Kirk... but not the #2 over all. All the Niners have to do is wait until the 2nd day of the draft and sign Cousins to an offer sheet. We would then still get two first rounders.. .but they would be in 2018 and 2019. IN which case, we still wouldnt have a QB, and we would have missed out on getting Allen OR any of the rookie QBs.

So the highest paid Qb in the league is not worth the #17 overall pick? lol. You can give me all the examples you want. No way Kyle walks away from that deal. Assuming the Daniel Jeremiah rumor is correct. I mention the rumor b/c you think the Skins would do this deal b/c we have no leverage.

 

[Sharkinva]

So the highest paid Qb in the league is not worth the #17 overall pick? lol. You can give me all the examples you want. No way Kyle walks away from that deal. Assuming the Daniel Jeremiah rumor is correct. I mention the rumor b/c you think the Skins would do this deal b/c we have no leverage.

I think Kyle laughs if he Skins say we want the #2 and all you get is Kirk. I think Kyle is more secure in his abilities and realizes that the Redskins DONT have any leverage. If Im Kyle, I offer the Skins the #33 and maybe a 3rd rounder IF I feel like letting them try and save face. But for a QB that the team and portions of the fanbase dont want, and cant keep because the team soured the relationship... the #2 straight up isnt even on the table. Now you throw in the #17 with Cousins, then we can think about the #2. Especially in llight of the fact that I am now going to have to give Kirk the richest QB contract out there... at least for a couple of weeks any way.

The Redskins have only two options here...

1. Pay Kirk what he wants.. yes the blank fucking check Dean.
2. Deal him for the best offer they can, and the #2 straight up would be a great deal for the Skins, not so much for the Niners.. which is why it wont happen.

 

[deanpet21]

I think Kyle laughs if he Skins say we want the #2 and all you get is Kirk. I think Kyle is more secure in his abilities and realizes that the Redskins DONT have any leverage. If Im Kyle, I offer the Skins the #33 and maybe a 3rd rounder IF I feel like letting them try and save face. But for a QB that the team and portions of the fanbase dont want, and cant keep because the team soured the relationship... the #2 straight up isnt even on the table. Now you throw in the #17 with Cousins, then we can think about the #2. Especially in llight of the fact that I am now going to have to give Kirk the richest QB contract out there... at least for a couple of weeks any way.

The Redskins have only two options here...

1. Pay Kirk what he wants.. yes the blank fucking check Dean.
2. Deal him for the best offer they can, and the #2 straight up would be a great deal for the Skins, not so much for the Niners.. which is why it wont happen.

Why would Kyle laugh if this is his franchise Qb that he wants? KS views him as a Franchise QB so the #2 pick shouldn't matter in this situation. By not having a stud Qb in the draft actually helps us in this situation. If guys like Goff or Wentz were in this draft his wont even be an issue. He wouldn't even contact the Skins. Plus you are not taking into account if there are other teams wanting KC.

I think the #2 straight up happens. Its a small price for KS to pay to get his guy. He has a six year deal so what the hell does he care if he losses the #2 pick. He has a better shot at being successful by getting KC on his team.

 

[Sharkinva]

Why would Kyle laugh if this is his franchise Qb that he wants? KS views him as a Franchise QB so the #2 pick shouldn't matter in this situation. By not having a stud Qb in the draft actually helps us in this situation. If guys like Goff or Wentz were in this draft his wont even be an issue. He wouldn't even contact the Skins. Plus you are not taking into account if there are other teams wanting KC.

I think the #2 straight up happens. Its a small price for KS to pay to get his guy. He has a six year deal so what the hell does he care if he losses the #2 pick. He has a better shot at being successful by getting KC on his team.

A week ago you thought the #2 and a first rounder in 2018 would happen as well. Your lust for that #2 pick has clouded your reasoning circuits. You thought two first rounders was a small price to pay for a franchise QB.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

1. I'm not nuts, you cant compare draft day trades to this. Kc is going to be the highest paid qb in the league how can you compare that to a rookie? Yes Kyle loves this guy and I believe he wont stop at the #17 pick to get him.

2. We discussed this before. Veteran QB in FA, McCoy, #17 pick, or a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick could be our QB. Doesn't have to be at #2.

So - using that logic where exactly are you going to find a QB who will be able to even come close to what Cousins has already done (not to even mention that Cousins can get better & overcome his flaws)?

It sure won't be McCoy & any FA will be flawed at best. Are you just assuming that guys like Prescott are commonplace (not to mention that Prescott may not even be that great moving fwd). Ok - maybe you believe that QB is just not that important & having good surrounding players will make up for everything - good luck w/ that.

I just don't understand your logic in this case. And again - I assume that you are fine if this results in a few years of subpar play which is quite possible. If so - I don't want to hear you bitch for one second if they fall flat. Be careful what you wish for...

 

[Sharkinva]

@SoCalWizFan In order for Deans hopes to come true, one has to have already convinced one's self that ANY QB could step in and do what Cousins did. You also have to be convinced that possible improvements in other areas will be enough to get it done since we arent asking for an improvement on Cousins, just to be close to where he was. Illogical in both respects.

We have posters saying what Cousins did was just average. So I get it if people think we can plug in any one, and as long as the rest of the team improves we should be good. But didnt we try that with Jason Campbell, McNabb and a few others.

What I dont get is how its ok to assume Cousins cant improve, but any one else we bring in is automatically equal to or better than Cousins.