Did you guys hear this?

[Sharkinva]

That is your opinion. We already discussed this. the team is not doomed if KC leaves.

The moment Cousins is dealt we are back in the we need a QB situation right??

So while the team might not be doomed, dealing Kirk is NOT a step forward unless we are admitting that we are basically rebuilding again. Because if you are not settled at QB, you are rebuilding period.

 

[Breed]

Trading Cousins plus the #17 pick to the 9ers for the #2 pick is asinine. The end.

 

[skinz2winz]

If your trade offer is correct for KC there is no way the Skins will give KC the Luck deal and turn down that offer. I would take that offer from the 49ers in a heartbeat knowing that KC wants to be paid like Luck. Let Sf pay him.

While I have not been totally against your position Dean in regards to KC, a Luck type deal would be fair for both parties IF you believe in KC. Since I do, I would be willing to offer him the Luck deal quickly and move forward building my team. I might have to cut corners elsewhere as I mentioned previously but a new LG with ample weapons should mean no fall off or possible improvement from KC. Then focus on key defensive FA's and drafting defense this year. This will guarantee we remain competitive in the interim.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Couple of things you have to figure into this whole mess.

1. Gruden was hired on the premise that he could fix our broken QB. Not the position mind you but the player. He failed, so he was already on the hot seat.

2. SMGM was brought in to assist the Coach in fixing the broken QB and to an extent the broken team. He is batting .500 on the reasons he was brought in.

3. I honestly believe that if we finished a boring 10-6 and and lost in the first round of the playoffs, Dan would be much more pleased with an exciting 9-7 with his face of the franchise being considered a possible elite.

Lastly, if Dan were on board with Kirk as the face of the franchise, this deal would have been done now. He would have told them pay Kirk what ever it takes to make him happy to be here. I think DAN is the person not willing to do what it takes to keep Kirk more so than the coach or the GM.

I basically agree and feel Dan AND Kirk didn't get what they expected and so we wind up here.
Gruden was supposed to do what Kyle did, find a way to use Roberts abilities to win games.
Instead, it didn't appear he adjusted the gameplan for his limited QB. The owner doesn't understand how Kyle can do it and Gruden can't. STRIKE 1. In year one Scott gets ALL the praise for the skins turnaround, although the RG3 injury and solid play from Scherff saved him! In his 2nd year, Scott gets questioned for FA and draft moves, which didn't address an immediate issues, that being the pass rush. He now has been muzzled. Thinking Norman, and Djax was enough to get by cost the redskins back to back playoff berths and led to all, or at least the majority of the blame being tossed on Cousins.STRIKE 2
Dan is probably thinking, hmmm Kirk is good but the fans always come back despite the roller coaster records.
He's not a strong face business wise and also isn't willing to take a hometown discount. STRIKE 3

I think a first round swap and a 2017 3rd is more likely. If the Redskins draft a QB at #2 they should fire Gruden too. He would likely throw the season.

 

[deanpet21]

While I have not been totally against your position Dean in regards to KC, a Luck type deal would be fair for both parties IF you believe in KC. Since I do, I would be willing to offer him the Luck deal quickly and move forward building my team. I might have to cut corners elsewhere as I mentioned previously but a new LG with ample weapons should mean no fall off or possible improvement from KC. Then focus on key defensive FA's and drafting defense this year. This will guarantee we remain competitive in the interim.

But you are assuming KC wants to stay here. I don't think he does even at that number. So that is why I would take the picks.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Dan is probably thinking, hmmm Kirk is good but the fans always come back despite the roller coaster records.
He's not a strong face business wise and also isn't willing to take a hometown discount. STRIKE 3

I suppose that Snyder could be thinking along these lines, but he would be sadly mistaken unless by some miracle the Redskins don't miss a beat in the next 2 seasons. If the Redskins get rid of Cousins and have a losing record next season A LOT of Redskins fans will be fed up. You can talk rebuilding all you like - having to go through this process after the team appears to be heading in the rt direction is not something most fans desire.

And again - Allen is Snyder's mouthpiece so why would he take a position totally contrary to that of Snyder? Don't believe all of these stupid rumors floating around at this time.

 

[skinz2winz]

But you are assuming KC wants to stay here. I don't think he does even at that number. So that is why I would take the picks.

I think KC's wants to be where he is wanted hence, long term deal that is fair.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No I would be upset if they game KC 80-90mg b/c I don't think he is worth it. If we cant get the #2 and keep #17 I would be happy.

So an extra $20M spread out of over likely 4-5+ years is in your opinion enough to just get rid of the guy? Jeez - you sound like one of these guys who is jealous of athletes making big money. Get over it already.

 

[Sharkinva]

But you are assuming KC wants to stay here. I don't think he does even at that number. So that is why I would take the picks.

I think KC's wants to be where he is wanted hence, long term deal that is fair.

If Kirk really doesnt want to be here, that says a whole lot about the team in most logical peoples minds. If you are basically trying to force your way out (which is what Dean is suggesting), it says that the level of dysfunction in Ashburn has not gone away. They are just hiding it better. I know it looks better to say Kirk is just being greedy and he isnt WORTH that kind of money. But on the flip side, if Kirk took the below market deal and he improved.... how many would be screaming hell no dont give him a raise, he signed the deal.. live with it. This is why Im fine with him getting every last penny he can. Because the flip side shafts him any way

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I suppose that Snyder could be thinking along these lines, but he would be sadly mistaken unless by some miracle the Redskins don't miss a beat in the next 2 seasons. If the Redskins get rid of Cousins and have a losing record next season A LOT of Redskins fans will be fed up. You can talk rebuilding all you like - having to go through this process after the team appears to be heading in the rt direction is not something most fans desire.

And again - Allen is Snyder's mouthpiece so why would he take a position totally contrary to that of Snyder? Don't believe all of these stupid rumors floating around at this time.

I'm still learning the minute details about the tags, but if I was Kirk, I don't think I want to wait until July to know if this team wants me or not. I did everything Griffin did, make the playoffs, the pro-bowl, break records. If it was him, the organization would have RUSHED to make him the highest paid QB in the league. All I'm saying is, now both parties may be thinking OK -- Its been nice, goodbye. And I blame that on the GM

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm still learning the minute details about the tags, but if I was Kirk, I don't think I want to wait until July to know if this team wants me or not. I did everything Griffin did, make the playoffs, the pro-bowl, break records. If it was him, the organization would have RUSHED to make him the highest paid QB in the league. All I'm saying is, now both parties may be thinking OK -- Its been nice, goodbye. And I blame that on the GM

This, the heart of the problem from both sides.

 

[skinsdad62]

again it makes sense not to sign anything till he is tagged . the a deal can be worked out because he has 24 mil in his pocket plus the 20 mil he got last season so that is 44 mil banked . now you look at contracts and 80-90 mil is about what it will take

all of this because the skins gambled and lost

 

[Stymietee]

Why is everyone so focused on SF as the partner in all of this? There are a bunch of teams looking to upgrade at QB as they all should do, even here!

 

[Sharkinva]

Why is everyone so focused on SF as the partner in all of this? There are a bunch of teams looking to upgrade at QB as they all should do, even here!

If he is tagged, Kirk gets to pick who he will talk to.

Every one here who wants Kirk gone, also is in fatal attraction lust over that #2 pick in the draft.

Im to the point where I would laugh if it ended up the Jets and we ended up swapping spots 17 for the #6 and thats all we got out of it.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Why is everyone so focused on SF as the partner in all of this? There are a bunch of teams looking to upgrade at QB as they all should do, even here!

Cleveland has less talent than SF
Chicago likely will draft a QB
Jacksonville may give Bortles another shot
New York has no money

SF can offer better than anyone else except Cleveland, that's my assumption.

 

[Stymietee]

This, the heart of the problem from both sides.

There are a lot of things that can be said of Dan Snyder, but lacking business savvy is not one of them!!
With regards to ticket sales, there's no counter argument to be made in this regard. There's some money from the average fan there, however it's been a while since the shift in corporate dollars took over the bulk of this revenue stream league wide. So what's left? If you guessed merchandise sales you win the boobie prize!! In that regard, for the stability, back to back winning seasons and record setting QB'ing numbers, let's see if it's paying off here:


Top Selling NFL Player Jerseys on NFLShop.com
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That is likely at the heart of any question that Dan Snyder might have regarding his current QB. (Not that other guy, even though he was a cash cow, but you can't sell what you don't own)

 

[Stymietee]

Cleveland has less talent than SF
Chicago likely will draft a QB
Jacksonville may give Bortles another shot
New York has no money

SF can offer better than anyone else except Cleveland, that's my assumption.

Yeah I get that, but doesn't that make the assumption that SF is in play and the others are not? Pretty sure that anyone interested in his services will take into consideration what the compensation from other teams will be and either get creative with their offers or not make one at all.

It's curious to me that on the one hand, the MARKET is the basis upon which people rely on when the question is how much Kirk should be paid, and then they downplay the MARKET when the question is compensation for his services. Thus far, in as much as I'm concerned, it's 2 1sts.... or.... a 1st and a boatload of non 1sts. That's where we start. Anyone else interested, and are not willing to go either of those routes, will have to wow me with their creativity.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

There are a lot of things that can be said of Dan Snyder, but lacking business savvy is not one of them!!
With regards to ticket sales, there's no counter argument to be made in this regard. There's some money from the average fan there, however it's been a while since the shift in corporate dollars took over the bulk of this revenue stream league wide. So what's left? If you guessed merchandise sales you win the boobie prize!! In that regard, for the stability, back to back winning seasons and record setting QB'ing numbers, let's see if it's paying off here:


Top Selling NFL Player Jerseys on NFLShop.com
www.nflshop.com/pages/Top_Selling_Jerseys

That is likely at the heart of any question that Dan Snyder might have regarding his current QB. (Not that other guy, even though he was a cash cow, but you can't sell what you don't own)

Have you been to a Redskins game lately? Lots of non corporate types spending lots of money on tickets, parking, food, beer, souvenirs, etc. Also a fair amt of Cousins jerseys out there & there will be a heck of lot more if (I mean when) he signs for the long haul. A playoff win or two would boost all of these numbers substantially.

Beyond that Snyder is a Redskins fan at heart & wants success for the team. Taking two steps backward likely won't help. BTW - speaking of jerseys - I have a #10 Redskins jersey gathering dust in my closet. Do you think that I can get $10 or maybe $5 for it?

 

[Stymietee]

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[skinsdad62]

how does anyone think that sending a 17th pick overall and giving them a young PB qb is a good idea ?