Detroit Tigers Ongoing 2016 Thread

[MiamiVice]

Either way.

Tough to dismiss 40% of the starting rotation as not make or break.

true... but the starts are disproportionate. The 4th and 5th starters not only normally end up matching up against other teams 4th or 5th starters who are not likely to be putting up zeros... but they do not get as many starts in a season as a #1 -#3 starter does due to skipped starts. All you really are looking for out of 4th and 5th starters is for innings so you don't tax the bullpen. Look at the Royals the last 2 years... they had a rotation filled with #3-#5 starters.

 

[burfboy]

And it's up to you if the dicussion is up your liking....you really are a piece of work

 

[broncosmitty]

true... but the starts are disproportionate. The 4th and 5th starters not only normally end up matching up against other teams 4th or 5th starters who are not likely to be putting up zeros... but they do not get as many starts in a season as a #1 -#3 starter does due to skipped starts. All you really are looking for out of 4th and 5th starters is for innings so you don't tax the bullpen. Look at the Royals the last 2 years... they had a rotation filled with #3-#5 starters.

Sorry, 37%, my bad.

 

[MiamiVice]

And it's up to you if the dicussion is up your liking....you really are a piece of work

honestly... you are about to join iffy on my ignore list. you literally never post anything of value.

 

[MiamiVice]

Sorry, 37%, my bad.

can you name the 5th starter for the giants in 2014 off the top of your head? or even the #4?

 

[MiamiVice]

the fact of the matter is this.. regardless of how much value you want to put on a #4 or #5 starter... its much easier to of replace the production of a #4 or #5 starter than a #1 or even a #3. People don't trade for #4 starters for the playoff run at the deadline... The WAR of an above average #4 or #5 starter is lucky to be 1.

 

[broncosmitty]

Jake Peavy? What's your point?

 

[Iffster]

burf....some people don't believe me when I tell them that Viceroy's #1 goal is to control and dominate any board he is on. He knows how to play people and he knows how to manipulate. Some think they are in control....but they are being played too. Vice is NOT interested in discussing baseball....he wants to be the King of the Board. This isn't my "thinking"....he TOLD me this. BTW...his next step will be to try and get some of the posters to turn on others. He tried it once with Howie.....I suppose broncosmitty is next.

 

[MiamiVice]

Jake Peavy? What's your point?

jake peavy started 12 games for the giants after being traded from boston.. he wasn't their #5 starter. he actually ended up starting game 2 of the world series.. #5 starters don't start game 2 of the world series.

vogelsong/petit were the #5 starter...

 

[Iffster]

jake peavy started 12 games for the giants after being traded from boston.. he wasn't there #5 starter. he actually ended up starting game 2 of the world series.. #5 starters don't start game 2 of the world series.

Who cares about WS....you don't have decent 4-5 starters, you don't make the post season. So, ARE you dismissing the 4-5 starters as being unimportant? I recall you telling people how good Norris was going to be this season....am I wrong?

 

[broncosmitty]

jake peavy started 12 games for the giants after being traded from boston.. he wasn't their #5 starter. he actually ended up starting game 2 of the world series.. #5 starters don't start game 2 of the world series.

vogelsong/petit were the #5 starter...

Oh, that's cool, for the 2014 Giants.

Our 1,2,3 starters, you know the ones that matter, how many games did they start last year total? Since 4th and 5th starters don't really matter en sech.

 

[MiamiVice]

Oh, that's cool, for the 2014 Giants.

Our 1,2,3 starters, you know the ones that matter, how many games did they start last year total? Since 4th and 5th starters don't really matter en sech.

who cares how many games they started last year.. i am more concerned about how many they start this year.

 

[Iffster]

Attention!

Hey did you guys know that the #4 and 5 starters are not as good or as valuable as the #1-3 starters!!!???? I am glad Vice filled us in on that key fact. AND, AND...get this....the 4,5 guys aren't as well known! wow

Sorry= this is getting too deep. lol

 

[broncosmitty]

who cares how many games they started last year.. i am more concerned about how many they start this year.

Do you have a number you'd like to see them hit? Like 80? 90? 98? 102? In order for those 4th and 5th starters to get skipped enough to not "make or break".

Or innings? 450? 500? 525?

Just curious how much you see our Golden Trio improving from last year.

 

[broncosmitty]

Petit and Peavy started the same amount of games for the Giants in 2014 btw.

Did Petits games matter less than Peavys? Since Petit was the #5 and Peavy wasn't?

 

[MiamiVice]

Do you have a number you'd like to see them hit? Like 80? 90? 98? 102? In order for those 4th and 5th starters to get skipped enough to not "make or break".

Or innings? 450? 500? 525?

Just curious how much you see our Golden Trio improving from last year.

the #1 -#3 hopefully start 95+ games combined. take a look at what the average WAR is of a #4 or #5 starter...
boyd, greene, fulmer, norris will probably start the rest of the 65+ games not started by the 1-3... those guys are more than capable of winning 40% of the games they start. If the top 3 win close to 60% and start 95 games... that would put the tigers at 84 wins and right in the mix for the division. 60% is probably on the high side for the 1-3.... but 40% is most likely on the low side for the guys in the 4-5...

 

[broncosmitty]

honestly... you are about to join iffy on my ignore list. you literally never post anything of value.

Wrong.

The Lineups are nice part of the Tigers Board. Despite your objections.

 

[MiamiVice]

Petit and Peavy started the same amount of games for the Giants in 2014 btw.

Did Petits games matter less than Peavys? Since Petit was the #5 and Peavy wasn't?

vogelsong started the year off as the #5... petit took over after he was injured... peavy started the same amount of games in SF as petit did and petit was on the opening day roster and peavy was not on the sf roster until july 27th.

 

[MiamiVice]

Wrong.

The Lineups are nice part of the Tigers Board. Despite your objections.

they may be nice for you... but the fact i see them on mlive 3 hours before he posts them here makes them pretty much pointless to me.

 

[MiamiVice]

peavy was NOT the giants #5 in 2014.