Detroit Tigers Ongoing 2013 Thread

[MiamiVice]

Well agree to an extent miamivice...but truth be told mariano riveras dont grow on trees either. He is a bit of an exception to your rule though because yes its much easier to find a guy to get three outs than pitch seven to eight innings.

I agree with you.. but fact is.. lots of closers come out of nowhere... the average closer lasts 2-4 yrs.. guys like rivera are once in a generation.. most closers are just some guy that got hot and had his stuff working at the right time... Look at the cards closer.. he was a nobody before this year.. with 4 total saves and 13 blown saves in 6 years... just got hot at the right time and got batters out when needed.. You dont have to spend top dollar for a closer... you just need good scouts and pitching coaches that can identify potential. Teams like the cards and rays do it every year.

 

[broncosmitty]

My old man found some of the daily scoring notebooks from the late 80's a few years back. It was kinda fun to go back and see how Nolan Ryan, Don Mattingly, Tram, Gibby, and other guys did. Even had some lineups guys had mailed in on vacation. You were all good, so long as their was a legible time stamp.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Well i said it before and i will say it again. I would trade garcia for gregerson especially since we would for sure have luke next year as well.

I will probably catch flak for this as well but i am still not a fan of the jacob turner for anibal sanchez deal.

 

[gvsulaker82]

First time i played fantasy baseball was on a site called baseball mgr probably 98. I was beyond ecstatic as i spent my childhood writing lists of players and stats on paper every year. Needless to say i was a dork.

 

[broncosmitty]

I'm most likely going to keep Jacob Turner in one keeper. He's been consistently solid since he came up. Not flashy, but Miami definitely didn't lose out too much in that deal. As they weren't signing Sanchez anyway. And I'm sure they're aware that Omar Infante is actually a utility player.

 

[broncosmitty]

First time i played fantasy baseball was on a site called baseball mgr probably 98. I was beyond ecstatic as i spent my childhood writing lists of players and stats on paper every year. Needless to say i was a dork.

You weren't alone buddy

 

[gvsulaker82]

I totally agree mv i have always felt relievers in general to be overrated, yes every team needs good ones obviously but no team should pay through the nose for one. If a guy isnt cutting it cut him, there will always be someone in the minor leagues you can call up that will succeed. Looking at ERAS around baseball for bullpens and individual relief pitchers its ridiculous how many teams have five plus relievers with ERAS under 3.2.

 

[MiamiVice]

That being said.. Looking toward next season.. I think if the Tigers win.. Scherzer is gone.. and if they don't win it all... there is still a great chance he is traded... no better time to trade him.. he would net a HUGE package of talent that would possibly include a top young MLB ss and a solid pitching prospect.. just to get the discussion started... Smyly can slide into the rotation.. and the tigers are starting to rebuild depth at starting pitcher in the minors with a few guys in the lower levels like Jake Thompson and the guys they drafted this year. I think Jurrgens will serve as depth in case of injury as will alverez. I say move Max and kill three birds with one stone.. save money for miggy's ext... open a spot in the rotation for smyly, and get a young stud SS to take over for peralta.. who regardless of what happens is not going to hit .300 every year... Added bonus would be adding another pitching prospect to the farm.. I just don't see the tigers passing something like that up. Like the granderson trade but more value.

 

[gvsulaker82]

If i was able to play fantasy as a kid i probably would have started mickey tettleton at utility every day..i was much more biased toward detroit players at a young age and have become more jaded fortunately but damn did i love tettleton and his goofy swing.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Mv they should trade scherzer, he will never be better than this.

 

[broncosmitty]

I'm with you all the way on Max MV!

 

[MiamiVice]

Well i said it before and i will say it again. I would trade garcia for gregerson especially since we would for sure have luke next year as well.

I will probably catch flak for this as well but i am still not a fan of the jacob turner for anibal sanchez deal.

Garcia is a stud. You either keep him and play him or use him in a trade for a more useful position... relievers are not worth a guy with Garcia's upside.. he has already proven to be a serviceable mlb player at the worst.. and he is hitting .388 in aaa.

As far as the trade goes last year with the marlins.. for now.. its an equal trade. But down the road.. in a year or two.. the marlins win.. Turner is no worse than a #3 starter that will have a long career and a possible all star year at best at some point. Brantley will be a decent catcher. The marlins loaded up on talent in the last year and will be scary good in a few seasons when all these guys that are 21-23 get in their mid 20's... That is when the trade will look bad for the tigers.. but hopefully by then the tigers restocked the farm a little and can stay in contention themselves.. gotta give up talent to get it.. not all trades are like the miggy trade... if fact.. most are not.

 

[adrian2]

Well i said it before and i will say it again. I would trade garcia for gregerson especially since we would for sure have luke next year as well.

I will probably catch flak for this as well but i am still not a fan of the jacob turner for anibal sanchez deal.

Padres according to most sources want a SP (Porcello) plus prospects. I am not really sold on Gregerson. Terrific home splits at petco, not good on the road. That home park is the equivalent of Coors field for hitters. I'll keep Porcello and the prospects over a guy that would be seventh inning guy at best. Prices thee GM's want for middle inning relievers is just crazy. Go with Bonderman/ortega , followed by Rondon, Veras, Smyly and benoit looks good. The more immediate need is a guy that can get lefties out.

 

[broncosmitty]

If i was able to play fantasy as a kid i probably would have started mickey tettleton at utility every day..i was much more biased toward detroit players at a young age and have become more jaded fortunately but damn did i love tettleton and his goofy swing.

I always drafted Jose Rijo and Matt Nokes. Hahaha. I don't know why, but I was a big fan of Rijo. Bill Gullickson did great for me one year. I remember I almost won that year, adults bitched that my dad was doing my team, I was offended. Did you ever do those preseason books from scholastic? You could pick all the division winners and stat leaders, oh man those were great for like $3. Hahahaha

 

[gvsulaker82]

Oh..and he will be worse, whether it be the second half of the season or next year. Max is a 15 win pitcher with a 3.5 in an average season and 15 is generous but he does play for det. He gets insane amount of run support this year.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Mv i dont think garcia is a stud, hes talented but can he put it together? Thats the question and anyone under contract for an entire other season i would be fine.

Adrian they want all of that for gregerson? Doesnt he have like a 2.8 this year? Way too much. He pitches in petco as well

 

[gvsulaker82]

You drafted matt nokes because hes awesome, i remember i sent in his rookie card to get autographed and was the first one i ever landed. I dont know about the scholastic books i would just make lists and rate the players by position and robbie alomar was always at the top of my 2b.

 

[themuzzer]

Really muzzer? I get it you dont like jl and im willing to wager no matter who the mgr is eventually you will not like him because well long story short hindsight is 20/20. Anyhow yeah of course i think jl has his weaknesses but you saying he never contributes to their victories makes your opinion pretty useless. Why not just trot nobody out as manager then seeing as how they only factor into losses but not wins? Damn wonder why teams have not thought of that yet, seems brilliant to the naked eye.

He has taken the Tigers to the WS twice and not good. If he wins a WS this year, I'll give him a pass for one year. That's it.

 

[gvsulaker82]

I think you are undersellimg turner i think he can be a good #1.

 

[MiamiVice]

people forget.. tigers can put the draft pick comp on guys like infante, peralta and benoit... and keep other teams away from them while trying to resign them at reasonable prices... I doubt they use it on all three.. but benoit will get it for sure if he keeps up what he is doing.. I could care less if peralta comes back.. and omar will most likely stay.. but if he goes.. perez is looking to be a capable replacement at worst. Tigers also have danny worth (should be dfa'd) eugene suarez ( still to raw but a good prospect), and a guy in the low minors devon travis that is hitting .380 in single a ball. All these guys could play ss or 2nd base... If the tigers sign infante to a 2 or 3 yr deal, they can either try to fill the ss hole through trade or with perez.. and I would be fine with it. Perez is 100 times better on defense.